Someone's looking out for you. [roll]
http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-snubs-film-on-theory-of-evolution-20090912-flkx.html (http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-snubs-film-on-theory-of-evolution-20090912-flkx.html)
Creation (http://creationthemovie.com/flash/#/)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0974014/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0974014/)
Oh boy. [popcorn]
Well, it wouldn't surprise me if the controversial nature of evolution played into the distributer's decision, I would say a more likely reason is films of that nature don't play well to American audiences.
We only want to see movies with boobies, explosions, and/or robots.
[roll]
Loose translation, Yep, we're not going to make much money off of this, because it doesn't have shit blowing up or some cutesy story, so um yeah, hey look at this "poll," yeah that's our reason.
Nah, look how many people paid to see Farenheit 911 and An Inconvenient 'Truth'...
if those movies can sell tickets, then pretty much any piece of shit can, fiction or otherwise ..
and i am not saying the OP's film is shit or fiction, i am just using a bottom-of-the-barrel comparison.
High School Musical made money
Quote from: bobspapa on September 13, 2009, 05:46:54 PM
High School Musical made money
of course it did, that vanessa chick showed off her bodacious tatas. dummy!
hu wa? did someone say boobies?
The great unwashed in the US, is, shall we say, particularly embarrassing for this regard, and well, this subject is precisely the expression of an attitude that gives the 'other' half of us so much angst these days.
It may appear that half the country thinks and the other half is spoon fed what to think.
That may be an exaggeration and an oversimplification.
However you want to divide the place, its clear to me that this country isn't "one" in almost anything. It is a place of amazing diversity politically, geographically, ecologically, economically, racially, socially and every other way.
Finding film/book subjects with goals of mass distribution is challenging for this reason. And for this reason we are sometimes punished with lowest common denominator subjects. :-\
Quote from: Desmostro on September 13, 2009, 06:11:14 PM
And for this reason we are sometimes punished with lowest common denominator subjects. :-\
that's exactly what I said!!
Quote from: ducatiz on September 13, 2009, 05:29:57 PM
Nah, look how many people paid to see Farenheit 911 and An Inconvenient 'Truth'...
if those movies can sell tickets, then pretty much any piece of shit can, fiction or otherwise ..
and i am not saying the OP's film is shit or fiction, i am just using a bottom-of-the-barrel comparison.
It's one of the reasons I don't like the regional encoding on DVD's since I'd like to be able to get movies from Europe that don't have a wide appeal. I used to get lucky and be able to rent them from a local video store, but they all went out of business and now it's harder to find some of the flicks and TV shows I'd like to see.
Quote from: superjohn on September 13, 2009, 06:57:07 PM
It's one of the reasons I don't like the regional encoding on DVD's since I'd like to be able to get movies from Europe that don't have a wide appeal. I used to get lucky and be able to rent them from a local video store, but they all went out of business and now it's harder to find some of the flicks and TV shows I'd like to see.
buy a multi-region dvd player.. we brought one back from italy, you just have to find one with PAL/NTSC switch (or find a PAL-M version which is compatible)
http://www.dvdoverseas.com/store/index.html?loadfile=itemdvpns508pvc.html (http://www.dvdoverseas.com/store/index.html?loadfile=itemdvpns508pvc.html)
Quote from: ducatiz on September 13, 2009, 06:59:11 PM
buy a multi-region dvd player.. we brought one back from italy, you just have to find one with PAL/NTSC switch (or find a PAL-M version which is compatible)
http://www.dvdoverseas.com/store/index.html?loadfile=itemdvpns508pvc.html (http://www.dvdoverseas.com/store/index.html?loadfile=itemdvpns508pvc.html)
I should do that. I currently have one of my computers set up for European DVD's
I'd like to see that movie.
I probably shouldn't say what I really think about this quote. [roll]
QuoteMovieguide.org, an influential site that reviews films from a Christian perspective, described Darwin as the father of eugenics and denounced him as "a racist, a bigot and an 1800s naturalist whose legacy is mass murder". His "half-baked theory" influenced Adolf Hitler and led to "atrocities, crimes against humanity, cloning and genetic engineering", the site stated.
[laugh] That's really something.
Quote from: somegirl on September 13, 2009, 07:19:51 PM
I'd like to see that movie.
I probably shouldn't say what I really think about this quote. [roll]
Quote from: superjohn on September 13, 2009, 06:57:07 PM
It's one of the reasons I don't like the regional encoding on DVD's since I'd like to be able to get movies from Europe that don't have a wide appeal. I used to get lucky and be able to rent them from a local video store, but they all went out of business and now it's harder to find some of the flicks and TV shows I'd like to see.
+11tyb
Most annoying thing ever.
Quote from: ducatiz on September 13, 2009, 06:59:11 PM
buy a multi-region dvd player.. we brought one back from italy, you just have to find one with PAL/NTSC switch (or find a PAL-M version which is compatible)
http://www.dvdoverseas.com/store/index.html?loadfile=itemdvpns508pvc.html (http://www.dvdoverseas.com/store/index.html?loadfile=itemdvpns508pvc.html)
maybe you can throw it on ur computer and find a player that will decode it?
But yea, theres a difference between "too controversial for American audiences". and "no ones going to watch that shit". but honestly we have worst shit that gets distributed, so why the hell not.
We have a problem when Evolution is considered "religion" in American high schools.
http://www.kansascity.com/115/story/1412978.html (http://www.kansascity.com/115/story/1412978.html)
Quote from: superjohn on September 13, 2009, 04:57:31 PM
We only want to see movies with boobies, explosions, and/or robots.
If you say that 3 times Michael Bay will appear.
Quote from: redxblack on September 13, 2009, 08:18:50 PM
We have a problem when Evolution is considered "religion" in American high schools.
http://www.kansascity.com/115/story/1412978.html (http://www.kansascity.com/115/story/1412978.html)
These same parents probably believe the earth is only 6,000 years old and man and dinosaurs walked the earth at the same time. Oh brother.
How DARE you post up this blasphemous outrage!!!
EVERYONE knows that the only true religion and the only factual basis for the origin of man resides in the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
How DARE you fly in the face of his Noodly Goodness!!
Quote from: redxblack on September 13, 2009, 08:18:50 PM
We have a problem when Evolution is considered "religion" in American high schools.
http://www.kansascity.com/115/story/1412978.html (http://www.kansascity.com/115/story/1412978.html)
That is quite possibly the single dumbest case of mass ignorance I have read this week.
Quote from: ZLTFUL on September 14, 2009, 03:33:26 AM
How DARE you post up this blasphemous outrage!!!
EVERYONE knows that the only true religion and the only factual basis for the origin of man resides in the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
How DARE you fly in the face of his Noodly Goodness!!
Don't worry, soon all will be touched by his noodly appendage and know true universal love. (Hint: It's marinara)
It's all those damn left wing liberals in Hollywood keeping movies like this from appearing in theaters! [popcorn]
All the irony and sarcasm - I think my head will explode!
Quote from: He Man on September 13, 2009, 07:50:43 PM
maybe you can throw it on ur computer and find a player that will decode it?
nope, even PC DVD's are regionally coded. on Windows, you can view/set it in the control panel, but usually it will only let you change it once and then it is set for good.
Quote from: Desmostro on September 13, 2009, 07:44:33 PM
[regional coding] Most annoying thing ever.
it does help some with pirating but now that anyone can buy an all-region dvd player, it is useless.
Quote from: superjohn on September 14, 2009, 03:50:57 AMDon't worry, soon all will be touched by his noodly appendage and know true universal love. (Hint: It's marinara)
;D [bow_down]
Quote from: redxblack on September 13, 2009, 08:18:50 PM
We have a problem when Evolution is considered "religion" in American high schools.
http://www.kansascity.com/115/story/1412978.html (http://www.kansascity.com/115/story/1412978.html)
>:( That's it. I'm moving. How's the weather in Australia? ;D
From the article in the original post;
"However, US distributors turned down the film that will prove divisive in a country where, according to a Gallup poll taken in February, only 39 per cent of people believe in the theory of evolution."
How is it possible that 61 percent of population don't believe in evolution. And I've never met anyone that feels that way. Where are these people?
Quote from: hihhs on September 14, 2009, 07:33:30 AM
How is it possible that 61 percent of population don't believe in evolution. And I've never met anyone that feels that way. Where are these people?
Here in South Louisiana. And apparently in Kansas too.
Quote from: hihhs on September 14, 2009, 07:33:30 AM
How is it possible that 61 percent of population don't believe in evolution. And I've never met anyone that feels that way. Where are these people?
statistics aren't always reliable.... that said, having been raised catholic, I know a good number of creationists
they even kicked me out of their church [evil]
Quote from: hihhs on September 14, 2009, 07:33:30 AM
From the article in the original post;
"However, US distributors turned down the film that will prove divisive in a country where, according to a Gallup poll taken in February, only 39 per cent of people believe in the theory of evolution."
How is it possible that 61 percent of population don't believe in evolution. And I've never met anyone that feels that way. Where are these people?
it really depends on the question and how it's asked. if it is phrased as "religion vs evolution" then a lot of people say religion (Pascal's Wager, imho)
but if you don't say it that way, a LOT of people say they believe in "a creation" and evolution simultaneously. I don't know the numbers, it's just what i've read on the matter.
Quote from: teddy037.2 on September 14, 2009, 08:08:36 AM
statistics aren't always reliable.... that said, having been raised catholic, I know a good number of creationists
they even kicked me out of their church [evil]
I did not think catholics were creationists, more of a protestant thing? The monks at my catholic highschool taught us about Darwin and evolution with no qualms. If I remember correctly, they argued that the great complexity of the universe is only more proof blah blah blah...
from the Gallup article: http://www.gallup.com/poll/14107/Third-Americans-Say-Evidence-Has-Supported-Darwins-Evolution-Theory.aspx (http://www.gallup.com/poll/14107/Third-Americans-Say-Evidence-Has-Supported-Darwins-Evolution-Theory.aspx)
"The same basic patterns are found here as reviewed in reference to the creationist and literalism question. Belief that Darwin's theory has been well supported by the evidence is strongest among those with the most education, liberals, those living in the West, those who seldom attend church, and among Catholics.
The lowest levels of belief that Darwin's theory is supported by the scientific evidence is found among those with the least education, older Americans (many of whom say they are unsure about the theory in general), frequent church attendees, conservatives, Protestants, those living in the middle of the country, and Republicans."
We covered both theories in high school back in the day (mid 80s). The fact is they are both unproven theories. Why this is such a visceral issue for some blows my mind.
I love the "well supported" part of that question though. Cracks me every time I hear an evolutionist deride faith without understanding that his belief in Darwin's theory is exactly that.
As far as this not being released here because it's "too controversial" -- please. Michael Moore can be more controversial in 5 minute trailers than this movie could hope to be in it's entirety.
They can't make money on it so they're attempting to trump up some controversy and get some free PR/marketing in the hope they can raise some $.
P.S. Another thing I can't believe is that this topic has remained active....
in france, Scientology is not accepted as a religion.
Creationism is not a scientific theory, it's a theological principle. It can't be observed, tested or qualified. Evolution isn't really about how humans came to be directly, but how organisms mutate, adapt and proliferate. It's pretty much central to the entire field of biology, is testable and continues to guide medical and biological research. They're not competing theories. One is a story and one is demonstrable.
I'm not drinking the science kool-aid, I'm well aware of the wonderful "sciences" of past eras and the damage they have inflicted (Look up drapetomania if you're bored). Still, to equate divine creation and evolution as in competition is similar to equating gumballs to microprocessors. Even the Catholic church has endorsed evolution and said it's compatible to creation.
I wish Darwin had named that book anything BUT the Origin of Species. Some people never got past the title.
Quote from: Vindingo on September 14, 2009, 09:37:05 AM
I did not think catholics were creationists, more of a protestant thing? The monks at my catholic highschool taught us about Darwin and evolution with no qualms. If I remember correctly, they argued that the great complexity of the universe is only more proof blah blah blah...
maybe it was just my church... alot of the folks were totally into the 'infallible word of god' thing.
but whatever. I thought abortion was ok and that made me the antichrist or some shit.
Quote from: ducatiz on September 14, 2009, 12:31:24 PM
in france, Scientology is not accepted as a religion.
I knew there was a reason I was beginning to like the Frenchies.
Quote from: redxblack on September 14, 2009, 12:39:39 PMStill, to equate divine creation and evolution as in competition is similar to equating gumballs to microprocessors. Even the Catholic church has endorsed evolution and said it's compatible to creation.
Evolution is not compatible with a fundamental religion - be it a version of Judaism, Islam, Christianity or others. Evolution counters the creation story of the books of their faith and therefore is heretical. Catholicism is not a fundamental religion.
Fundamentalists of any stripe scare me.
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What part of this statement is confusing or unclear?