Title: 1959 Chevy Bel Air VS 2009 Chevy Malibu Post by: Monster Dave on September 16, 2009, 10:38:20 AM If you can view this video it's absolutly increadable to see just how far automotive contruction techniques have increased our safety.
Here's the video: 1959 Chevrolet Bel Air Vs. 2009 Chevrolet Malibu IIHS Offset (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CU-k0XmLUk&feature=player_embedded#ws-normal) Title: Re: 1959 Chevy Bel Air VS 2009 Chevy Malibu Post by: Oldfisti on September 16, 2009, 10:44:28 AM :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
HOLY FLURKING SHNIT!!!!!!! (http://www.shipbrook.com/karen/blog/images/kang.gif) Title: Re: 1959 Chevy Bel Air VS 2009 Chevy Malibu Post by: Monster Dave on September 16, 2009, 10:47:14 AM That Malibu shredded that old Bel Air!!!
Title: Re: 1959 Chevy Bel Air VS 2009 Chevy Malibu Post by: Duck-Stew on September 16, 2009, 10:53:36 AM Looks as though the '59 didn't start losing momentum until the '09 met it's firewall!
Scary to think about. :o The '09 does a MUCH better job of distributing the energies of the crash despite likely having a LARGE weight disadvantage (it's lighter I'm sure) as compared to the '59. Wow. Title: Re: 1959 Chevy Bel Air VS 2009 Chevy Malibu Post by: acalles on September 16, 2009, 10:56:37 AM Looks as though the '59 didn't start losing momentum until the '09 met it's firewall! Scary to think about. :o The '09 does a MUCH better job of distributing the energies of the crash despite likely having a LARGE weight disadvantage (it's lighter I'm sure) as compared to the '59. Wow. I was thinking about that.. turns out the malibu is heavier. 3400 lbs vs 3200 lbs for the bel air. Its all about strength from the unibody. the entire vehicle is a frame, rather then a body on a frame. since about the mid 90's cars have gotten so much safer. Title: Re: 1959 Chevy Bel Air VS 2009 Chevy Malibu Post by: IZ on September 16, 2009, 10:58:00 AM Damn!! :o
My first car was a '66 Bel Air. Didn't seem like safety concerns had changed much from '59 to '66 since the neighbor backed into the drivers-side door and crushed it! It was a tap by todays standards. BTW..any idea on the speed?? I saw "50" on top of the cars but wasn't sure if that was related to the mph. Title: Re: 1959 Chevy Bel Air VS 2009 Chevy Malibu Post by: Oldfisti on September 16, 2009, 11:06:16 AM I think 50 designates the 50th anniversary of IIHS
Title: Re: 1959 Chevy Bel Air VS 2009 Chevy Malibu Post by: Randimus Maximus on September 16, 2009, 11:10:05 AM typically frontal offset tests are at 40 mph
http://www.iihs.org/ratings/frontal_test_info.html (http://www.iihs.org/ratings/frontal_test_info.html) Title: Re: 1959 Chevy Bel Air VS 2009 Chevy Malibu Post by: IZ on September 16, 2009, 11:16:36 AM typically frontal offset tests are at 40 mph http://www.iihs.org/ratings/frontal_test_info.html (http://www.iihs.org/ratings/frontal_test_info.html) OK..thanks RM. I watched a few of the tests before and 35mph was in my head. Title: Re: 1959 Chevy Bel Air VS 2009 Chevy Malibu Post by: zarn02 on September 16, 2009, 11:24:49 AM Holy shit!
Title: Re: 1959 Chevy Bel Air VS 2009 Chevy Malibu Post by: Monster Dave on September 16, 2009, 11:35:40 AM Here's a question - is age at all a factor in the 59's ability to handle an impact like that? Or rather would a brand new 59 handle the impact the same way as one that's 50 yrs old?
Title: Re: 1959 Chevy Bel Air VS 2009 Chevy Malibu Post by: zarn02 on September 16, 2009, 11:40:54 AM I don't think the age of things is a factor here. Notice that the '59 was in good shape, with no indication of rust or other damage.
The difference is in materials and engineering. Title: Re: 1959 Chevy Bel Air VS 2009 Chevy Malibu Post by: bluemoco on September 16, 2009, 11:53:16 AM Wow. That's a really interesting video! :o :o
It looks like the Malibu driver could survive (airbags, crumple zones, and the aforementioned unibody), but the driver of the Bel Air....not so much. Title: Re: 1959 Chevy Bel Air VS 2009 Chevy Malibu Post by: tonyj311 on September 16, 2009, 12:29:15 PM anyone else notice the IZ_ dice in the '59? At least the driveer would have been cool when he died.
Title: Re: 1959 Chevy Bel Air VS 2009 Chevy Malibu Post by: zarn02 on September 16, 2009, 01:02:06 PM anyone else notice the IZ_ dice in the '59? At least the driveer would have been cool when he died. Indeed. I'd still rather own the Bel Air. Title: Re: 1959 Chevy Bel Air VS 2009 Chevy Malibu Post by: Monster Dave on September 16, 2009, 01:03:27 PM anyone else notice the IZ_ dice in the '59? At least the driveer would have been cool when he died. That's funny, I hadn't noticed that! LOL! Title: Re: 1959 Chevy Bel Air VS 2009 Chevy Malibu Post by: Oldfisti on September 16, 2009, 05:52:52 PM More footage with interior shots...
1959 Chevrolet Bel Air Vs. 2009 Chevrolet Malibu IIHS Offset (New Footage - Interior Views) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d309QCuve7c&feature=response_watch#normal) Title: Re: 1959 Chevy Bel Air VS 2009 Chevy Malibu Post by: Howie on September 16, 2009, 06:06:19 PM The important question is did the IZ_ dice survive :P I am not surprised by that video one bit.
Title: Re: 1959 Chevy Bel Air VS 2009 Chevy Malibu Post by: Oldfisti on September 16, 2009, 06:13:33 PM You know what, I think they did!
Title: Re: 1959 Chevy Bel Air VS 2009 Chevy Malibu Post by: NAKID on September 16, 2009, 06:26:26 PM It says at the end of the video that the Malibu driver would have had a slight knee injury, but the driver of the Bel Air would have died instantly.
In the first 30 seconds or so, it confirms Randy's thought that is was a combined 80mph offset crash, both vehicles traveling at 40mph... Title: Re: 1959 Chevy Bel Air VS 2009 Chevy Malibu Post by: Ddan on September 17, 2009, 01:25:35 AM Me thinks this may be more of a set-up than it appears. The GM X-frame cars were apparently well known to fare badly in a crash, and you can pretty clearly see the cloud of rust dust at impact. I wonder what kind of shape the Bel Air was in prior to the test.
Title: Re: 1959 Chevy Bel Air VS 2009 Chevy Malibu Post by: mitt on September 17, 2009, 06:07:09 AM Me thinks this may be more of a set-up than it appears. The GM X-frame cars were apparently well known to fare badly in a crash, and you can pretty clearly see the cloud of rust dust at impact. I wonder what kind of shape the Bel Air was in prior to the test. So, should they build a brand new 1959 for the test? Accelerate age a 2009 to 59 condition in a salt chamber? Or argue that today's cars are less safe? It was probably intended as a cool video, not a proof of a theorem. mitt Title: Re: 1959 Chevy Bel Air VS 2009 Chevy Malibu Post by: Langanobob on September 17, 2009, 06:13:33 AM Cars may be safer, but what about the other part of the equation, us drivers? Somehow I don't think so.
Title: Re: 1959 Chevy Bel Air VS 2009 Chevy Malibu Post by: NAKID on September 17, 2009, 06:17:09 AM Cars may be safer, but what about the other part of the equation, us drivers? Somehow I don't think so. I think you're right. In 1959, people in general had a higher respect for cars. And, not everyone had them... Title: Re: 1959 Chevy Bel Air VS 2009 Chevy Malibu Post by: ducatiz on September 17, 2009, 06:26:08 AM Moreover, why isn't anyone outraged that a classic car has been trashed?
Seriously? did we REALLY need this done to prove anything? How many '59 models are still on the road at ALL? Seems to me they could have used a 1970s car to "prove" cars are better, rather than trashing a genuine antique. Title: Re: 1959 Chevy Bel Air VS 2009 Chevy Malibu Post by: ducatiz on September 17, 2009, 06:28:04 AM all this video proves to me is that we've done a great deal to prevent idiots from killing themselves (and yes, others) with cars.
Darwin hangs his head... Title: Re: 1959 Chevy Bel Air VS 2009 Chevy Malibu Post by: acalles on September 17, 2009, 06:36:46 AM Me thinks this may be more of a set-up than it appears. The GM X-frame cars were apparently well known to fare badly in a crash, and you can pretty clearly see the cloud of rust dust at impact. I wonder what kind of shape the Bel Air was in prior to the test. I think its probably not. the point of the test is, to comparable cars, being sold to the same type of people (small family sedan) for roughly the same price (based on inflation) and at about the same weight. It KILLS the old saying "they don't make them like they used to" the test was used to demonstrate how much technology has made our lives better. I doubt some rust really made that big a difference, it was structurally insufficient from the start. Back in those days, no one ever thought about safety. Cab on frame vehicles just aren't that safe to began with. Last year I was in a accident where a truck ran a light, we were in a small sturdy car (audi A4), they were in a truck (dual cab ranger) we were out and walking around, they were flipped over unconscious. (granted my back still kills me, especially in the mornings) Cars may be safer, but what about the other part of the equation, us drivers? Somehow I don't think so. people don't change.. might as well put them in a better box. remember, and alive customer is better then a dead one! Title: Re: 1959 Chevy Bel Air VS 2009 Chevy Malibu Post by: Monster Dave on September 17, 2009, 07:34:27 AM More footage with interior shots... 1959 Chevrolet Bel Air Vs. 2009 Chevrolet Malibu IIHS Offset (New Footage - Interior Views) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d309QCuve7c&feature=response_watch#normal) Wow, those inside shots are awesome!!! Title: Re: 1959 Chevy Bel Air VS 2009 Chevy Malibu Post by: derby on September 17, 2009, 07:42:59 AM Moreover, why isn't anyone outraged that a classic car has been trashed? Seriously? did we REALLY need this done to prove anything? How many '59 models are still on the road at ALL? Seems to me they could have used a 1970s car to "prove" cars are better, rather than trashing a genuine antique. except it wouldn't have been a 50 year old difference in the cars' ages for the 50th anniversary. Title: Re: 1959 Chevy Bel Air VS 2009 Chevy Malibu Post by: Langanobob on September 17, 2009, 08:14:48 AM Quote Moreover, why isn't anyone outraged that a classic car has been trashed? As I recall it was a four-door. No collectors value :) At least that's what I recall from the good ol' days - everybody wanted a two-door. Title: Re: 1959 Chevy Bel Air VS 2009 Chevy Malibu Post by: ducatiz on September 17, 2009, 08:54:10 AM Still... Its a 59! They could have done two 1984 models instead
Title: Re: 1959 Chevy Bel Air VS 2009 Chevy Malibu Post by: Langanobob on September 17, 2009, 09:30:22 AM Still... Its a 59! They could have done two 1984 models instead My head hurts! Title: Re: 1959 Chevy Bel Air VS 2009 Chevy Malibu Post by: Ddan on September 17, 2009, 12:32:23 PM So, should they build a brand new 1959 for the test? Accelerate age a 2009 to 59 condition in a salt chamber? Or argue that today's cars are less safe? The video was meant to compare relative safety of two different vehicles. If one is a rusted out hulk and the other in new condition, the results are going to be meaningless, unless, of course, it's just a publicity gimmick. A far better test would have been two 59's head- on, then two Malibu's. It was probably intended as a cool video, not a proof of a theorem. mitt |