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Hypermotatardatardatard 796 (http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2009/09/ducati-hypermotard-796-smaller.html)

Hope this comes true!  :D

Now THAT would be a FUN commute!!  ;D [thumbsup] [moto] [clap]

Any idea on pricing?

Derby

http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=29581.15 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=29581.15)

Yes I know. I'm bringing it to peoples attention who don't get to the General section of the site.  ;)

Thanks for your input.

Nice.  Had to laugh at the comment about a new M696 with ABS making it rider friendly.  The M696 is already rider friendly.  Also no mention of a rumour I heard of a new LAMS Ducati or maybe that's what the smaller 'tard is  [cheeky] [cheeky] (I'm joking!)

It might sound attractive but I'd be putting my hard earned into a good pre-loved 1100.
The power might only be slightly higher but the torque is a decent leap.
Of course it depends on pricing.

I think the LAMS you speak of Heather is a single that has been doing the rounds for a while.
It has a mini SBK look to it. 

True, but, I have heard that the 1100 is a bit of a handful when it comes to riding around town. Which isn't a bad thing really. This one may be a tad lighter and therefore, much easier to handle and throw about.

Anyway, my heart is set on a 749 dark.  [moto]

Saw a very nice 749 at the Mean Fiddler the other weekend. That shape is just stunning.

yep always been a 749/999 fan.

No different to a s2r1000 or other 992cc engined duke. in fact, other than ride height, it may be easier to ride around town because of how light the bike is and wider steering angles.  [thumbsup]

also the other downer for riding in town is the wide bars and flip out mirrors, but either way, i love my HM.

i personally don't see the point in them releasing a hm796..

I was hoping you'd tune in.

Just do what Ptooey does and use the speed limits signs as 'suggestions' and work your way up from there!!!  ;D

That's all they are just a guide to how fast you can take corners on half lean.

oh and may i add-- i don't know how anybody could think the HM has too much power to even consider having a smaller cc one.

i really dig the 992 and 1078 DS engines. they're just perfect.

the testrastretta engines however...  :o


my sentiments exactly..  ;)

Rule of thumb is double it and add 10%.  ;D [evil] [thumbsup] [moto]

The most glaring point would have to be entry level pricing (particularly in this economic environment) ... but that could be a big assumption.

Next I would suggest that most people instantly think a motard should be small and light and rightly or wrongly will assume a 696/796 HM will be much smaller and lighter than an 1100.

Then you have to remember that people with the above two things in mind will not even test ride the 1100.

Now, I have had a couple of little runs on an 1100 (though not a HM 'cause I didn't have my platforms) and ... even for a guy of my limited capabilities ... I did not find it overwhelming. But a heavy, dry clutch is not exactly ideal for the 'around town' bike that everybody is talking about.

I rode the Hypermotard for a month or so when Pitstop Cairns still existed, I thought it was a blast, apart from the wide bars, it was great for the morning commute (mind you, we don't have anywhere near the amount of stop and go traffic like you city folk have to endure) It needed a better rear brake (Needed a big stomp to try and slide the rear around using the brake)
In the wet all that Torque made the big girl a bit Skittish, but with the wide bars (I knew they were good for something) I had a ball chasing the rear end around in the turns.

There were a few brown trousers moments (didn't help it was still in the wet season when they handed me the Keys) but once I got used to how the Hyper wanted to be handled, What a Hoot!  ;D

A smaller engine version, could be interesting, I know a lot of people asked about a smaller version when I was there, maybe Ducati is on to something there, want the HyperMotard look, but without the Big Bite of the 1100 engine, I know a lot of people also didn't like the dry clutch.
(Our Store bike had an open clutch and had been flogged from day one, so it had a very loud case of the Rattles)

I think I'll stick to the big HyperRetard!
Me Likey!  [thumbsup]

OK true enough with the wet/dry clutch argument.. you've reminded me of my past test rides of a M696 and MTS1100-- the clutch pull action of both bikes would definitely be a bonus around town.

i do also recall another occasion of letting a buddy with japbike ride my M620. he still gave me grief for how twitchy and hard my clutch was..
so the sorts of people wanting to buy ducati would be those who appreciate their bikes' for their character.

at the end of the day i guess the answer is just this-- entry level pricing + entry level performance + entry level specs = ducati marketing win.

Yep I was gonna say it all depends on the marketing.

Having just gone through some suspension 'tweaking' on my entry level specs ... it is quite clear this is something Ducati seems to strugge to 'market' properly. I think the option of an 'S' model across the range is a good idea.

Now I am not sure on the relative spend of these type of things but I wouldn't expect goldy bling ohlins on an S model 'little bike' ... but perhaps just some adjustable forks and a step up on the rear as well.

If, as you say, people wanting to buy a ducati appreciate certain things in a bike then this would have to be one of them. Also as has been mentioned before it is a big step up cost wise from a 696 to 1100 ... a more gradual spread and the pricing brochure may not be as daunting (even if people eventually decide the 1100 is worth the extra anyway).

completely agree Betty...just cause you want a certain engine doesn't mean you don't want great suspension!!!!

nothing wrong with smaller engines, each has it's advantages....but great suspension is universal.



(when did I become such an opinionated bastard????)

All good points folks, but history suggests that any smaller capacity duc will not sell well in Oz. In the past they put the 620 motor into the supersport (I have one and love it) but buyers stayed away in droves. Then they did a 620 version of the Multistrudle and sold about ten of them.

It seems that in Oz its 1000cc or nothing. Nothing wrong about that, just an observation.

http://www.hypermotardclub.it/forum/showthread.php?t=5907&page=8 (http://www.hypermotardclub.it/forum/showthread.php?t=5907&page=8)

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SSS for the small tard.

I like it!  ;)

based on US retail of $9995 it will be around $15500 (+ or - $500) plus on road costs here.
could struggle at that price.

Pardon my ignorance but what is the 1100 worth because I reckon the differential is the key. Last time I looked NFI had stopped posting prices on the Ducati website.

The seppos have been crying out for more sub-10k Ducati's for some time so maybe it isn't that far off. Plus the exchange rate doesn't always determine the retail price (otherwise the period leading up to about a year ago would have given us some cheap bikes in Australia).

Looks purdy but legal version won't when they put mirrors on it.   [laugh]  Think people of average or above average height will have some neck/back problems.

ducati seattle are taking orders for the 796 @ US$9995.
1100   hyper US$11995          AU$18990
1100S hyper US$13995          AU$22490
796    hyper US$9995            AU$15792 ? :'(

1100    is approx 58% more here
1100S  is approx 60% more here

got my AU retail cost based on 58% more than US.
AU prices from the last published AU prices (May 2009).
US prices from ducati seattle.

I suspect NFI will continue with that % increase.
If it was $12000 or less, on the road, i'd be tempted to have 2 bikes....... but it ain't going to happen.

got a question....why are suspension springs always yellow??????

that bike looks great...why not powdercoat the spring black/grey, hell even red!!!

I don't get it.

Powdercoating would be ok if you werent going to use the bike!! ???

With the spring compressing and rebounding any coating that wasnt "flexible" like the plastic type coating on them would potentially crack and flake off. [roll]

I'd also be a bit wary of putting a current (even a small one) through  a spring, anything that has the potential to alter the metal properties I would steer away from. :(

But yellow just doesnt cut it with some colour schemes!! You Bastard Spider, now I'm looking at my Black/Red bike and that yellow spring is sticking out like a canine scrotum. :'(

I'd lurv one of these for the weekday play in traffic and the short strop on a day off.  [thumbsup] [moto] [clap]

yeah, sorry gazza....maybe powdercoat was the wrong term....maybe coat is a better term. Yellow blows if you have a black or white bike...on the red and yellows it's cool....but it just clashes....especially on the bike above. that isn't where you want the eye to travel.

you can buy rubber paint in any colour gents  [thumbsup]

You know the mirrors are on the end of the bars?

Don't you?  ???

They are folded in.



* Is 'folded' even a word? Maybe the word is 'feld'. The mirrors are feld in. That doesn't work either.

Hmmmmm "RUBBER" paint hey?? Sorta like different coloured latex?? [evil] [evil] [cheeky] [clap]

Whatd'ya reckon Jukie?? ;D [roll]

hhmm Dragon rubber i have yellow hhmmmmm

You dirty girl!!  ;D

You need disciplining! [evil] [evil]

You are very naughty!! [thumbsup] [bow_down]

YES YES YES

I dont think I have ever come across a woman that says "YES" quite so often??  [evil] ;D [cheeky]

Its more hard work than you think.

[clap] [clap] [clap] [clap] need a holiday betty

I looked and looked at that. And wondered if that was the case as that is exactly where I would put them. The pics don't show it that well but now I look again and can see them.  [bang]  (easy when you know what you're looking for). Guess I'm used to the ugly, stuck on afterthought mirrors of the monsters  [roll].

Thanks for correcting me Super  [cheeky]

Ok, I'm game!!  [evil] [evil]

A wise man once told me that WOMAN equates to HARD WORK and HIGH MAINTENANCE. ;D [thumbsup] [cheeky]

(There I sit waiting to be beaten severely about the head and shoulders by the female members of this forum!! Cant think of who they might be though.) [cheeky]

ill do more than beat you sexy dragon, ill show you what ive got.

How much is THAT gunna cost??  [evil] ;D [cheeky] [thumbsup]

But we are so worth it.   [roll]

We are SO in the right thread here??  ;D  [cheeky] :-*

yes we are so worth it Heather very much so