KTM models for 2010. News of these bikes has been out for at least a year, but they are just now being confirmed coming to the U.S. as 2010 models this fall.
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/25september09_ktmstous.htm (http://www.motorcycledaily.com/25september09_ktmstous.htm)
I generally find KTM's bikes to be too angular for my tastes, but I may be warming up to their style. If I wanted an all purpose bike this could be it. Throw some bags on it and head out for the weekend.
(http://www.motorcycledaily.com/092509top.jpg)
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/11/2009-ktm-smt-01.jpg)
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RC8R!
SuperDuke! (return of)
990 SMR!
Yay!
Glad to see that they are bringing the 990 SMT this way, but I REALLY wish they would bring back the 690 Supermoto.
Quote from: DRKWNG on September 26, 2009, 07:30:07 PM
Glad to see that they are bringing the 990 SMT this way, but I REALLY wish they would bring back the 690 Supermoto.
http://www.ktm.com/690-SMC.100198.20.html (http://www.ktm.com/690-SMC.100198.20.html)
Quote from: kopfjäger on September 26, 2009, 07:37:58 PM
http://www.ktm.com/690-SMC.100198.20.html (http://www.ktm.com/690-SMC.100198.20.html)
Exactly. I don't want/like the SMC. I want the 690 Supermoto (R).
http://www.ktm.com/690-Supermoto-R.100197.0.html (http://www.ktm.com/690-Supermoto-R.100197.0.html)
Quote from: DRKWNG on September 26, 2009, 07:42:34 PM
Exactly. I don't want/like the SMC. I want the 690 Supermoto (R).
http://www.ktm.com/690-Supermoto-R.100197.0.html (http://www.ktm.com/690-Supermoto-R.100197.0.html)
http://www.cycletrader.com/find/search-results/Type-Motorcycle/Make-KTM/Keyword-690%20supermoto/Zip-36205/Sort-Year:DESC/Radius-any/ (http://www.cycletrader.com/find/search-results/Type-Motorcycle/Make-KTM/Keyword-690%20supermoto/Zip-36205/Sort-Year:DESC/Radius-any/)
Quote from: kopfjäger on September 26, 2009, 07:44:50 PM
http://www.cycletrader.com/find/search-results/Type-Motorcycle/Make-KTM/Keyword-690%20supermoto/Zip-36205/Sort-Year:DESC/Radius-any/ (http://www.cycletrader.com/find/search-results/Type-Motorcycle/Make-KTM/Keyword-690%20supermoto/Zip-36205/Sort-Year:DESC/Radius-any/)
Well aren't we helpful today?
;D
The SMT is a hot bike, i'd definitely get one if i had the $$$ for an all purpose
Quote from: DRKWNG on September 26, 2009, 07:42:34 PM
Exactly. I don't want/like the SMC. I want the 690 Supermoto (R).
http://www.ktm.com/690-Supermoto-R.100197.0.html (http://www.ktm.com/690-Supermoto-R.100197.0.html)
Holy shit, that is an ugly bike. It is so ugly it may be attractive in some strange way which is foreign to me. If they aren't bringing it over this year maybe it is to clear out last year's inventory. That is what happened to the Super Duke for 2009.
(http://www.ktm.com/fileadmin/swf/productspecials/uploads/6390sm.jpg)
They get less ugly after you ride one.
I hated the 950sm until I demo'd one. It was the most fun I've ever had on a bike.
I ended up getting a 950SMR 2 years later, and it's awesome. I got the 690sm windscreen on it, and $500 into a bag/rack system and I can go anywhere that's paved. Make no mistake, these aren't dirt bikes at all, but they crush on the street.
Quote from: Travman on September 27, 2009, 04:02:58 AM
Holy shit, that is an ugly bike.
You never were a fan of Spy Vs. Spy were you? In my line of work it's a fitting appearance.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/spy-vs-spy-1.jpg)
I've seen 690 Duke in person and sat on it. It definitely felt lighter than any other street bike I've sat on. I thought it looked attractive in white.
(http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/photogallerys/large/2009-ktm-690-duke-6.jpg)
Quote from: Travman on September 27, 2009, 05:27:31 PM
I've seen 690 Duke in person and sat on it. It definitely felt lighter than any other street bike I've sat on. I thought it looked attractive in white.
(http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/photogallerys/large/2009-ktm-690-duke-6.jpg)
I've been thinking of some smartass thing to say, but your right, she's pretty damn attractive.
i want an adventure.
i would prefer the 640, but will take a 900 if anyone wants to give it to me ;D
Quote from: Travman on September 27, 2009, 05:27:31 PM
I've seen 690 Duke in person and sat on it. It definitely felt lighter than any other street bike I've sat on. I thought it looked attractive in white.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/800px-KTM_690_Duke-1.jpg)
Quote from: Travman on September 27, 2009, 04:02:58 AM
Holy shit, that is an ugly bike. It is so ugly it may be attractive in some strange way which is foreign to me. If they aren't bringing it over this year maybe it is to clear out last year's inventory. That is what happened to the Super Duke for 2009.
(http://www.ktm.com/fileadmin/swf/productspecials/uploads/6390sm.jpg)
I've never seen a motorcycle with stack pipes. Is it a diesel?
[cheeky]
Quote from: spolic on September 28, 2009, 03:45:46 PM
I've never seen a motorcycle with stack pipes. Is it a diesel?
[cheeky]
Yes is blows hot black some up yer ass. Fun for some.
They look weird but they rip.
Pretty light too
Quote from: kopfjäger on September 28, 2009, 11:49:22 AM
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/800px-KTM_690_Duke-1.jpg)
Good picture. That is one of the angles I liked. I'm normally so conservative with my motorcycle tastes. But this bike is drawing me in.
Quote from: Travman on September 28, 2009, 05:39:20 PM
Good picture. That is one of the angles I liked. I'm normally so conservative with my motorcycle tastes. But this bike is drawing me in.
That's the very KTM that I want
badly. Pretty sure all it would take is one ride....
Quote from: Speedbag on September 28, 2009, 06:04:26 PM
That's the very KTM that I want badly. Pretty sure all it would take is one ride....
Don't do it!!! [evil]
;D
Now, picture it without those mirrors, that hideous chin spoiler, some pipes closer to the SMR and some BST wheels.
This isn't a Duke, but you get my drift.
KTM　690 DUKEã,¹ãƒšã,·ãƒ£ãƒ« (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyUsKSEEclA#normal)
I have one of these ;D
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2500/3964338195_e42d14f054.jpg)
Older, carburetted, vibrates a lot (especially compared to the new LC4 motors), but lightweight 50+hp singles on the street are a lot of fun and are super easy to throw around. I test rode a 690 duke once and it felt a lot like my 625 SMC but with a lower seat height and a whole lot smoother. We were part of a KTM demo train so I couldn't really give it too much without them looking [evil]. It was fun, but not enough of a difference between my SMC to make me trade up/over to a 690 Duke. The pegs were in the same position, i.e. straight below your seat like a dirt bike, not back like a monster. I was hoping to ride a Super Duke on the test ride, but they were full up. Perhaps that affected my expectations on the 690 Duke.
Quote from: DRKWNG on September 27, 2009, 09:14:33 AM
You never were a fan of Spy Vs. Spy were you? In my line of work it's a fitting appearance.
What, you fold Origami for a living?????
Quote from: brimo on September 30, 2009, 12:35:16 AM
What, you fold Origami for a living?????
Nope, I hunt things.
You guys are funny :) i have the spy vs spy 690 ,i have to tell you the bike is so much fun to ride! so much easier than my s4r.It took me awhile to get use to the look but i got used to it.All i need now are a nice set of akras [thumbsup]
Think I am about to pull the trigger on a NOS '07 950SM.
SM or SMR?
Either is a good score!
[thumbsup]
It's an SM. Bike is an unsold '07 model with 20 (I put the last five on myself) miles on it. Trying to get them down to $9500 OTD.
I think that's a little on the high side, but still way less than they were new.
I was offered an 07 SMR in the fall of 08 for $11,5 for a new one. I found a used (500 miles) 07 SMR and got it for $8300
2010's are coming out, you could argue it's 3 years old, and it's definitely a niche bike. Not everyone is cut out to own and ride a KTM. Do you think it would last until the spring?
If so, you could either wait, or try and leverage that into your deal. Maybe work in a free first service or a couple free oil changes?
Check this out! (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/KTM-950-Super-Moto-R-Lots-Of-Mods_W0QQitemZ130333387408QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_motorcycles?hash=item1e5879aa90&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245) Just looked on ebay.
That's a killer deal!! The full exhaust is around $2200-$2500, not to mention all the other stuff with it. If you're nearby I'd highly recommend going to look at this thing.
[evil]
Dude, I'm in Hawaii. I'm not near anything! lol
It is a really nice bike! And while I love the esthetics of the SM-R, I like the larger fuel capacity of the standard SM better. Plus, I am keeping my S1000, so will still have a "sport" bike. I am looking at the SM as more of a commute friendly ride than anything, albeit one that you can get stupendously silly on. ;)
I tried. . .
;)
Good luck with the buy :D
Quote from: Monsterlover on October 04, 2009, 10:17:30 AM
I tried. . .
;)
Good luck with the buy :D
Thanks. There are still plenty of NOS '07s around, so I am pretty sure something will pan out if this one falls through. Now the painful part is letting the Daytona go in order to get the KTM.
Well, I had a 675 before I went to the super moto.
I love the super moto and plan to keep it.
That being said, I regret selling my 675. I'll try to get another one, one of these days. I was just so comfortable and fast on it. Hindsight. . .
So... If you had to do it all over again, would you? Let the Daytona go for the SM?
Hmm, that's a hard question to really answer.
Part of why I sold the umph was because my ex wife's name was on the loan for it with mine, and that was the easy way to fix that when we divorced.
If she was never part of the equation, I would have likely borrowed more money and bought the smr anyway. It is just such a great bike, and I couldn't beat that $8300 price. I didn't think I'd see that price again so I went for it.
So I guess yes I would let it go again for the KTM, but only sometimes.
Those other times, I wouldn't have.
It's a 50/50 split. They're both so great, but in different ways.
I think if I were you, I'd consider getting ride of the monster and keeping the 675. Having the M and the KTM would leave you with two bikes that are very similar (in my eyes)
For me the KTM has it and the monster is only second (but a close second) The 675 is very different than either the KTM or the Ducati.
Hope this helps :D
I haven't had a monster in over a year. My other bike (currently) is a heavily modded Sport1000, and it is definitely not for sale after all the work that went into it.
My bad.
I thought you had an M1000 for some reason.
Indeed that is much different than a monster, and could fill the gap left by the 675.
Do it!!!
No. It's an '06 Mono with the front end (fork, brakes and such) from a 999, then outfitted with BSTs.
The main reason that I have been looking at the SM is so that I would not have two bikes that are so focused in such a similar direction. I think the SM would make a better urban commuter than the 675 would.
It would indeed.
I traded my 620 in for one with no regrets. Most fun bike I have ever ridden.
Quote from: Travman on September 28, 2009, 05:39:20 PM
Good picture. That is one of the angles I liked. I'm normally so conservative with my motorcycle tastes. But this bike is drawing me in.
So, how long did it take you to get used to riding a bike with no tach?
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z53/b_upton/ktm950sm_05.jpg)
Quote from: DRKWNG on October 04, 2009, 10:15:37 PM
So, how long did it take you to get used to riding a bike with no tach?
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z53/b_upton/ktm950sm_05.jpg)
I have the Duke 690, and it has a tach. No problems there. It took me about 3 rides to get used to a little bit of the buzz of the single.
Sorry, meant that more for MonsterLover as he and I were both talking about the '07 950s.
Riding without a tach is no problemo. The only reason I put one on the Monster was because I could get one and it looked good. The 848 has that digibar graph dealy and I only rarely glance at it.
Quote from: mac900 on October 05, 2009, 08:49:59 AM
Riding without a tach is no problemo. The only reason I put one on the Monster was because I could get one and it looked good. The 848 has that digibar graph dealy and I only rarely glance at it.
Oi! Are you following me?
Quote from: DRKWNG on October 05, 2009, 09:25:56 AM
Oi! Are you following me?
There's no tach in my '62 Falcon and I.....
;D
just messin' with ya.
I got used to it quickly. You can feel what's going on pretty easily.
The times I could use a tach would be to keep me from hitting the rev limiter (pretty soft btw, doesn't throw you over the bars) but to be honest, I normally don't have time to look down in those types of situations
[evil]
Some have added tachs to their Sm's, but I don't think they're necessary.
I guess I'm just spoiled, because I like having 'em. Wonder how cheap I could get a set of clocks from an '09 for...
950 adv...
Thought about that too. Or I could just get an Adv 990, they have one at the dealership, but I don't imagine it would be anywhere near as involving to ride...
Please don't get an Adv...
cool, but much much lower on the cool scale imo ;D
Actually, if I were to add a tach, I'd pick up something from Autometer. They have bike specific tachs that don't look too bad.
There's also a plethora of aftermarket digital type add on tachs as well
Hmmm... Was just about set to pull the trigger on an '07 SM that the dealer here has. Got them talked down to $9400 OTD, and if you knew how shops did business here in Hawaii you realize just how much that is saying. But then a wrench got thrown into the cogs... The KTM dealer on Maui called me up and offered me a NOS '08 Super Duke with 13 miles on it for $10.5K OTD and shipped to Oahu... Decisions decisions...
Have you ridden the 990SD?
I hated the fuel mapping. Off throttle was just about throwing me up to the bars.
Buzzy too.
The SM was much smoother and about as much power.
All IMO
;D
Quote from: Monsterlover on October 14, 2009, 03:53:39 AM
Have you ridden the 990SD?
I hated the fuel mapping. Off throttle was just about throwing me up to the bars.
Buzzy too.
The SM was much smoother and about as much power.
;D
No, haven't ridden one yet, but am thinking about trying to hop over to Maui over the weekend to take a look. Part of the deal on the SD is that they will give me a stupid deal on the Akro full evo system, and the mapping that goes with it. Maybe that would cure the fueling woes just the DP kit does for the E3 monsters...
It might. . .
you should ask the injected 950 guys on adv.
The full akro system for the sm is like $2200. One of the guys in Pittsburgh has an SMR with it and I talked to the KTM tech that jetted the bike.
He set it up where KTM said to for that system, but ended up going 3 jet sizes larger to get it running well.
He thinks it could even maybe go one more.
I asked how the bike runs.
"Picks the front up in the first 4 gears with a hard shift, breaks the rear loose at speed with WOT in the first 3 gears."
85 miles until the fuel light is on, 100 till its only got vapor in it :D
Quote from: DRKWNG on October 04, 2009, 09:47:03 AM
.... I like the larger fuel capacity of the standard SM better.
umm dude you live on Hawaii how many trips around the island can you make? [laugh] [beer]
Just picked this up 5 days ago, it RIPS!
08 690 SMC
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_ljMYQit59QQ/StO-9gwICuI/AAAAAAAAEqc/GRH2rhAv_74/s640/IMG_6037-1.JPG)
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_ljMYQit59QQ/StO-7tDYvRI/AAAAAAAAEqY/I5lmsN1JUVA/s512/IMG_6046-1.JPG)
^^ Awesome. [evil]
Quote from: DanTheMan on October 14, 2009, 08:11:16 PM
umm dude you live on Hawaii how many trips around the island can you make? [laugh] [beer]
Ass! ;) One of the reasons that I am liking the larger fuel tank is because I will most likely be leaving Hawaii by, if not before, this coming May. Looking at either making my way to DC or back to Germany.
Quote from: DRKWNG on October 14, 2009, 10:14:53 PM
Ass! ;) One of the reasons that I am liking the larger fuel tank is because I will most likely be leaving Hawaii by, if not before, this coming May. Looking at either making my way to DC or back to Germany.
Well if its europe, id take a look at some of the Euro model bikes that aren't avaliable in the US.
Quote from: DanTheMan on October 14, 2009, 08:11:16 PM
umm dude you live on Hawaii how many trips around the island can you make? [laugh] [beer]
Just picked this up 5 days ago, it RIPS!
08 690 SMC
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_ljMYQit59QQ/StO-9gwICuI/AAAAAAAAEqc/GRH2rhAv_74/s640/IMG_6037-1.JPG)
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_ljMYQit59QQ/StO-7tDYvRI/AAAAAAAAEqY/I5lmsN1JUVA/s512/IMG_6046-1.JPG)
nice
Quote from: Ivan V on October 16, 2009, 03:37:43 AM
Will you transport your bike/s to Europe? That can be difficult...
Yes, but not on my dime. Uncle Sam picks up that bill. [thumbsup]
Quote from: DRKWNG on October 16, 2009, 07:33:55 AM
Yes, but not on my dime. Uncle Sam picks up that bill. [thumbsup]
You mean i do :P Well if you get to geremany, im coming over to ride my bike that i helped get there ;D
Quote from: DanTheMan on October 16, 2009, 10:53:28 AM
Well if you get to geremany, im coming over to ride my bike that i helped get there ;D
There will be an extra bed just sitting there waiting to get slept in. Not so sure about the bike though. ;)
By the way, found two great deals today that I am having a hard time with. An '07 SMR that I could get shipped down here for just under $9K and an '08 SD (with full Akro system) that I could get for just under $11K.
I bet you could get them to ship you the SMR with the akro for the same price. . .
For make the beast with two backss sake get the SMR!! You're killing me already!
;)
What sort of range do you get on yours before you have to stop for fuel? Also, what are the service intervals on the LC8?
I can get to 100 or 110 miles before the gas light comes on. I think I'd be dead empty by 130 or 135.
Normally Im ready for a quick stop after 100 miles.
When I rode to DIMBY (650 miles one way) Out of 13.5 hours of travel I was only stopped for 2. Most of that was lunch, and when I stopped to change my socks (and put plastic bags on my feet) because rain had absolutely soaked my boots.
When Im in tour mode I also carry a 1.25 gallon gas can strapped to the top of one of my side bags just in case I find myself unable to reach the next gas stop.
I've only needed it once, and that was more due to my poor planning. Also, i pushed the miles because I knew I had the can with me. The bike wasn't out of fuel but the gas station my gps took me too was a mom/pop place not open at 11pm on a Sunday.
The first service is fairly important on the LC8 and that can/should happen in the first 1500 miles (including a valve check)
I did everything but the valves so far. Im way over due for valves (im at 6500 I think)
The KTM tech here (there's 1, it's a small shop) asked how easily the bike started and how it ran.
I told him same as when it had 500 miles on it (when I got it) - great! I'll do the valves over the winter/spring.
Much easier than Duc valves I think. He let me make a copy of the service manual :D
Other than that. . . guys seem to just ride the shit out of these things.
Also, i seem to get 40mpg touring the slab at 75-85mph.
Back roads with lots of WOT is more like 32-35
[evil]
Cool. Thanks for the info. I think I am leaning more towards the SD, but who knows... Going to call the guys back up in just a sec...
Have you ridden them both back to back?
That would tell you a lot
No I haven't. I sat on an SD a while back, and the ergos seemed fine but that shop would not allow test rides. I did take an SM out for a spin, but as said earlier, I think the carbs were a bit gummed up from sitting around for a couple of years.
As sad as this is going to sound, one of the main things that has me leaning more towards the SD is the dash. I really find that dash on the SM/R unappealing for some reason... If it wasn't for that one feature, I would most likely be all over that bike...
I really think you need to get a ride on each of them.
I know you rode the SMR, but that doesn't count if the carbs are gummed.
It's a better bike when it's working well.
Don't get me wrong, SD's are really fun, but my bias went to the Supermoto. I hit up the dealer when the KTM semi was there and rode each of them. I couldn't wait to get off the SD.
And I can ride anything.
But I couldn't tolerate the Duke as it was.
They had to pry me off the Supermoto (regular SM, not the R even)
Ok then, what did you find so much more appealing about the SMR? And what was so wrong with the SD?
Quote from: DRKWNG on October 17, 2009, 03:12:40 PM
Ok then, what did you find so much more appealing about the SMR? And what was so wrong with the SD?
You may wish to keep in mind that ML is like, 6'5" or something. Depending on your height, what works great for him, may not work for you.
Quote from: MrIncredible on October 17, 2009, 04:46:27 PM
You may wish to keep in mind that ML is like, 6'5" or something. Depending on your height, what works great for him, may not work for you.
Bah, you'll get used to it if you're shorter. My KTM has a ~36" seat height and I have a 30" inseam.
I'm all Capt'n Morgan-like at stop lights, but I got used to it.
Quote from: MrIncredible on October 17, 2009, 04:46:27 PM
You may wish to keep in mind that ML is like, 6'5" or something.
FREAK!!
;D
;D
Yeah, my inseam lets me flat foot on pretty much anything.
I tour with an airhawk seat pad that adds 2" to the seat height, and I can still flat foot :D
The SD was more like a monster as far as ergos. Also, the fueling was bad. Very jerky from any throttle to off throttle. Occasionally I find myself a little hot in a corner and I'll ease off the throttle. Sometimes all the way off.
I know you're not supposed to but I can do it smoothly enough that I don't upset the bike. Generally Im trail braking too, so that helps mask any extra dive I might get from rolling off.
The SD was about impossible to do this smoothly. Rolling off the gas at higher rpm had me pitching toward the bars. Lots of complaints from 990 riders on the fuel issue. Not sure what they do to fix it since I have carbs and don't pay attention to the 990 guys.
I also found the Duke to be very buzzy in the bars and pegs. Also any part of the bike you manage to touch that's rigid (ie not a seat or something rubber mounted)
I found more legroom on the Supermoto. Additionally because of the dirt bike like seat, I can sit anywhere I want on it and still work all the controls.
I think the SM turned a lot better as well. I was wondering if i was going to put a knee down on the test ride. Im sure I wasn't close, but god damn did I have that thing leaned over.
The bike loves to turn. It's just frame geometry and width of bars. I find a little wobble at high speed on the slab, but not the kind of wobble id go do something about.
Some guys buy a steering damper but I think its a waste of money. Ive tried to induce wobble/head shake at 90mph and its no worse than it is at 70. It clears itself up no problem.
I like the looks of the Supermoto better. At the time I demod these bikes I went down to ride the SD.
Only 2 available and both were taken. All that was left was the SM. Ugliest bike I'd ever seen but I took it for a spin anyway.
I ended up loving it! It was the most fun I'd had on 2 wheels!
It's what I always wished my monster was. I used to rock a 2000 M900ie with CF high pipes, power commander, cut airbox w/k&n, very aggressive clipons, alum flywheel, Ohlins damper, 14/41 gearing.
It was a cool bike, don't get me wrong, but the SM did it better right out of the box. Excellent brakes (that the SD has as well), tons of power and great handling.
The memory of that test ride stayed with me for 2 years. Circumstance had me selling my 675 and I found my used (486 miles) 07 SMR for thousands less than a new one.
I demo'd the Ducati HM, but didn't like it as much. Especially with a 12 or 13k price compared to the 8300 I got my SMR for.
I've toured on the SMR, got it stuck in the woods (this is not a dual sport, don't let them fool you. Dirt roads yes, woods definitely not), jumped it, wheelies, stoppies, it seems to be easy on tires for a 950 twin etc. You get the point.
Damn. . .
Did I just type all that?!
;D
The suspense is killing me, DRKWNG
What's the word?!?
The SMR got sold before I could make a move on it.
SD?
We shall see.