Ducati Monster Forum

G-day ,
other than upgrading to a larger capacity motorbike
what ways of increasing horsepower options are there
for the little 695 and aprox cost involved?
I am reluctant to trade in as I have the bike set up really well
with new suspension etc. and enjoy the bike at the moment
also the trade in loss of $$ involved as I have had it from new.
I have termi/ecu/open airbox 14T fully adjustable forks
8000 kilometer's old
regards
dez

I thought about the same thing for my 800, but then I learned how to ride AND did the suspension/brakes upgrade.
It doesn't bother me anymore.
The research I did showed that it isn't worth the $$$$$$ - too expensive and not enough improvement.

My 0.02

800 crank and pistons.

gives you an 803cc motor.

Cheapest (although not necessarily easiest) way is to lose weight. ;)

695 to 800 isnt that big of a jump, and 800 to 1000 also isnt that big of a jump (but more noticeable).

You can however free up some power... losing weight, lighten flywheel will help. Lighter wheels will also help.

I was planning on doing that to the 620, along w/lighter flywheel...

 :-\

anyway.

+1 on

power:weight is a pretty big factor to keep in mind, and lighter wheels will help EVERYTHING

I am a bit lost... Is the 800 crank a big bore kit?

I thought the only one on the market was the Ferrachi 750 Big bore kit? Or is the 750 only for the 620 and they make an 800 for the 695?

the 800 has a longer stroke than the 750 but the same bore.

my bike was a 620 w/the ferracci hi-comps, making it basically a 750. so stroking it would make it an 800

The crankshaft changes the engines stroke, a big bore kit would be different pistons and cylinders.  The 620 uses the same stroke as a 750 with a smaller bore.  The 695 uses the same bore as the 750/800 with a shorter stroke than even the 620.  A big bore kit is easier to install as it does not require spliting the cases, unless you need new rods.  A different crank should be cheaper but requires a full engine tear down.

Sweet lord that sounds like a lot of work, just to get to the equivelent of an 800 motor?  I believe I would cut my losses, sell the 695, take the $2k it would cost to do all of that stroke/piston crap and buy a new bike.   IMO, if you are already wanting more power then the 695 offers, it won't be long before the 800 bores you also.  Then you have a souped up 695 that you will never come close to selling for it's true value.  I would love to have more power then my S2R800 offers, but I am so attached to the bike, I have come to terms with having to buy something to park beside it.  I am not trying to talk you into or out of anything, but changing the internals of the motor sounds like a long term commitment to that bike to me.  I would just make sure that is what you want before you do it.  

the OP did mention the bike is completely sorted out with the suspension work and all mods to his liking.
adding more power to change the responsiveness of a bike he already loves does sound like a good investment.
but i'm biased.  doing all this work on my bike also.

Yeh good point pyscledelic
The bike is still under factory warranty which probably would be voided and only getting it up to an 800 is not enough of a increase with what sounds like a substantial $$ investment hmmm!!!
time to re think maybe a second bike or a trade in is the solution.
Will a lighter wheel set really make a noticeable difference ? even that is not a cheap option.
Now how long untill there are streetfighters going second hand  [laugh]
Thanks for the input DMF's

Best bang for the buck is a lighter set of wheels.

Wait, any links to this conversion? If the 695/750/800 all have the same bore then why change the pistons too? Do they have lower crowns for head/valve clearance? How much of a bump to torque/hp could you expect out of a 695 with ECU/airbox/ and full termi mods?

working on it. Stu said the 800 pistons have a lower pin to crown height.
the 696 and 695 are basically the same motors with different heads and ECUs

Okay DMF parts experts
If I go for  a lighter wheelset
what wheels off which bikes will fit the 695?(other than carbon as too $$$$ for me)
Does it have to be Ducati specific?
Should I use the same rotors or are there lighter options.
Cheers

IMO, there isn't enough weight savings to justify the cost. The thousands of dollars are better spend/saved for whenever you upgrade to a more powerful bike.

It's exciting to dream about an even more powerful bike, but your bike does 0-100 km/h in about 4-5 seconds and top speed should be around 200 km/h. I think improved rider's skills and experience will take you the to the next level, not the few extra horsepowers.

Tried raising the rear? Track days?

Definitely raised the rear AND lower the triples on the forks, suspension would be the best up grade for the here and now, the rear shock especially is insuffiecnt for my weight and wallows even with the preload cranked all the way up. Honestly the groups I've ridden with I have no problem being towards the front of the pack in the twisties. On the straights though the 1098's and the rest of them just blow me out of the water.

Honestly I'm a father now and don't need a bike that'll do 150mph, but I wouldn't mind a little more on tap and as a new bike is out of the question, mods are what I can do. A little here and a little there is right up my alley. I built my bike out of a parts bin so I'm not intimidated to get into it. So labor cost isn't an issue.

Track days are in my future, I find myself less and less willing to ride at level that I enjoy on the street and have hauled back substancially. I'm even considering just turning my bike into a track slut and taking it off the street entirely.

there's a thread that talks about 696 wheel upgrades. they all should be available for the 695.
i'm lazy this morning so you'll have to search.

See my situation is that I own my current bike, if I go bike shopping I might convince myself that I can afford a payment. I also have done so much to my bike to personalize it that I don't want to step out of it, I can easily afford a big bore or an engine swap, I am not convinced I can afford the bike I would walk out of a dealer with... For these reasons I am considering a kit for my 620, not looking for a big gain and not looking to sell it anytime soon, just small bit more power would be nice.

Wow.  After re-reading my original post, I may have come off a little harsh.  Sorry.  I will blame it on 3rd shift and some really potent coffee. 
 

Dez, I think you got my point though.  I was in no way whatsoever trying to discourage you from making that 695 rock and roll.  I just wanted to bring the practical side to the table and make sure that you weighed all of your options before you dropped oodles of cash into your bike to jack up the power and wasn't completely satisfied with the outcome. 
+1 on the 2nd hand Streetfighter.  That bike in black would look so good parked next to my little Monster!

What kind of power increase should one expect from the Termi kit?
Does dropping the tooth to the 14T front sprocket make the bike feel more powerful but really hurt the top end?

I have a 695 and am pretty curious about these two performance mods.

Here's my review of the kit:
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=1819.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=1819.0)

I think the consensus is that top end does not suffer. Smaller bikes aren't powerful enough to fight wind resistance in order to max out revs in sixth gear.
With a 14T the engine revs about 7% higher at all times - personal preference if that suits you, highway/city.

Combined, the Termi kit and 14T is very noticeable, not to mention the sound. For me though, it would not be worth the cost if I didn't also get the concerto. YMMV

maxing out a bike unless you are on the track or in europe shouldn't be an issue for most stateside riders. getting the 14t front or even going up 3 in the back is a good way  to FEEL more power down low and in the useable range. you'll be running about 500rpm more at the typical cruising speeds but your fuel economy shouldn't suffer but a bit.

I changed my M695 gearing (initially to 14/42, and later to the equivalent 15/45) with good results.  Nice little boost and good bang for the buck.  Termi kit was another nice little boost, along with some decent weight savings.  Now it scoots pretty good and I don't think it lacks anything on the top end, at least for the street - pulls through all the gears nicely.  I sometimes wish it had the bottomless reservoir of get up and go that my SBK has, but it's a different bike and I accept that it needs to be ridden a bit differently.  I'm thinking of doing the lightened flywheel soon while it's under the knife for the 15k mile service.  The little monsters are great fun!

Test video below experimenting with some camera angles and mic placement.

BK

84E throttle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC_WR1lyVN0#normal)

BK_856er, where did you source the adjustable forks from?

Forks are Matris cartridge type with external preload/rebound/compression and correct spring rate.  Works great and makes a big difference on the M695.  I don't think they are currently available in the US, but you can get them from Italy.  I documented the conversion somewhere around here...

BK

I'm not looking to make the bike something it's not in terms of power.  I think I mainly just want it to kick as hard as it can and be loud.  Termi kit is expensive...that's going to happen eventually and I'm going to slap on the 14T at the same time...and then go plummet myself into debt on a new 1198S. [bow_down] [roll]

Unless you want Termi's because they are Termi's, you can probably find another brand that will give you more umph, less weight, and better sound for less $. 
As far as the gearing, when I first went with the 14t front sprocket, I didn't really experience the awe-inspiring kick off of the line that I was expecting from reading other post and conversations at the shop.  I think I was just anticipating to much.  It did make the bike more rideable in town.  I am now running the 14t in the front and one up in the back.  I like it even more. 
1198 would be a serious power upgrade.

or because the Termis come with the upgraded ECU.

the critical component of the termi system that makes the termi so desireable to me is the new ECU. the rest is just another exhaust and a hiflow filter.

From personal experience I can say that the full Termi system totally wakes the bike up, night and day. I was a little disappointed with the power of the 695 when I first climbed aboard. Don't get me wrong, I still enjoyed the experience and grinned like an idiot during the entire experience. After the full Termi upgrade though I was thuroughly pleased. I went from this  :D to this  ;D I would recommend this to anyone, but the full system, just the exhaust and open airbox are weak sauce. The ECU is prolly the most valuable part of the system.

^^ If you think that ECU is tuneable, look into Microtec.

Exactly.  I did mine in the order ECU --> pipes --> filter/lid with some riding time between each step (long story).  The pipes and filter did very little, but the open airbox afforded a mean induction growl rolling on the throttle.  The special ducati "off-road" ecu is the key item.  A true adjustable ecu, and a tuner who knows how to make it right, must be even sweeter.  More power is great, but smoothing out what's already there and improving the throttle responsive also brings smiles.

BK

It would be nothing short of amazing.
 
I agree, the ECU is the key item in the kit.  I don't know if I would want to mismatch ECU, filter and pipes just to save a few bucks...

(http://www.e-securedsite.com/motowheels/ITALIAN/images/DSC01481%20lg.jpg)
 [bow_down]

I agree that the ECU is the selling point for the Termi's.  But from what iamhybris said below:

I was saying that  that there were other, less expensive options out there that might give him what he was wanting.
Kind of back to the point I was making in my original post.  If you are wanting a more powerful bike, is your money better spent on trying to squeezing HP out of a weaker bike, or taking that money and putting it into a stronger one?   
The desicion  to make would be do you want a custom ride, or do you just want to go faster.   
 Talks of full Termi's, Carbon wheels, and bore kits have to be getting near 70% of the price of the entry level monsters off of the show room floor.  Granted, it would be one VERY cool bike.

I mean, how much really do the CF wheels make the bike feel more powerful?  Is it even more noticeable than the exhaust/sprocket changes?  3 grand for wheels makes me cringe, I don't think I could do it, but it does make me drool when I see it.
 
I want my 695 to have more power, and I'm going to try the 14T sprocket and Termi kit, but that will probably be everything in terms of trying to get more power.  Most all other mods will be cosmetic other than the steering damper for safety.

less rotating mass= quicker acceleration, braking, easier turn-in due to reduced gyroscopic effect

it is largely accepted as the best thing you can do to any sport bike


the DP termi kit will be good, since it covers intake, exhaust, and fuelling... so that pretty much covers the 'more power' side of it

Usually every 1 pound saved at wheel speed is equal in accelloration terms to taking 3 pounds off the bike.  The 3 spokes do weight alot, 11.5 lbs front, 13 lbs rear if my info is correct.  3K for BST's is alot of money to spend, an intermediate step may be to buy some used 5 spokes.  The front is easy to find, the rear tends to take some looking as not many DSSA bikes used them.  The regear will do the most in making the bike "feel" more powerful, but light wheels will make the bike corner and brake better also.

I just can't imagine spending so much on wheels for my 695.  Maybe on a superbike.  The Termi kit sounds like so much fun, can't wait to get it.
 
I just took off my emissions canister and it actually made the power delivery smoother and maybe even feels more powerful.  For sure it is louder and starts up with less hesitation.
 
It was so weird, I went out for the test ride after removing the canister and pulled up at the stoplight next to a black and gold 620, then on the way back home passed by a 695 (with Termi's, I was jealous)!  That's seeing more fellow Duc's in one five minute trip than I usually see in three months of daily commuting.
 
It's been a good afternoon, time for a  [drink] .  I fell in love with the 695 again today, I could never bear to part with it.  I don't want to expect more power out of it than it can safely (and financially reasonably) put out.  For that kind of power, I'm getting into a superbike (one day).
 

I think it was StopInTime that really made a good point in another thread about getting more from your bike by really learning how to ride it.  I tell myself that I would like a bigger bike, but I have yet to even come close to the potential of my 800 in the mountains.   I would dare say that some of the best and most cost effective performance upgrades would be the advanced skills clinics and track days. 

true, but for those of us who don't have track days or schools as an option, all that's left is to throw money at the bike  ;D

Not that there is anything wrong with that  8)

well, it does kind of suck when the bike is up for sale, knowing that all those mods were kind of a waste  :'(

It just doesn't make sense (in my head at least) to put the dollars and effort in seriously upgrading the power of an entry level Monster.  Sure, do the obvious bolt on boost because most have other benefits.  14t front sprocket - better takeoff AND better intown ridability.  Exhaust system.  Better performance with a couple more HP and weight savings AND better sound and looks.  But $3000 carbon wheels, and a Bore Kit.  Maybe I am just to practical. 

shame on you  [cheeky]

+1 where's your Ducati spirit?  ;)

I think my Ducati Spirit is saving for a Streetfighter.  The rest of me just keeps floggin the hell out of my 800.