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Title: Wet clutch question
Post by: svr on October 09, 2009, 10:36:57 PM
Hi, I've got a 695 with a wet clutch. Got the dry clutch sound envy bug but not gonna commit to a conversion. Question I have is regarding the sound deadening panel on the inside of the wet clutch cover. Say I were to pull my clutch cover at the next oil change and pulled that panel out, would I get a little closer to that beloved sound? Any adverse effects that anyone can think of? thanks for input!
Steven
     
Title: Re: Wet clutch question
Post by: rule62 on October 09, 2009, 11:52:12 PM
I was thinking of removing that panel when I just swapped my APTC for an 800SS clutch.  When I took a look at it though, I decided to leave it in.  The panel is more substantial than I thought it would be.  It is listed in some manuals as a "clutch case protector".  If there were some internal clutch failure, or a tip-over on the clutch side, I think that panel might come in handy. 
Title: Re: Wet clutch question
Post by: Raux on October 10, 2009, 12:25:54 AM
with the way it's shaped against the clutch case do you think it helps with oil flow during cornering?
Title: Re: Wet clutch question
Post by: svr on October 10, 2009, 05:39:16 PM
that's certainly seems like a possibility, but seems like there wouldn't be much flow behind it due to that gap being small.  anyone else have any thoughts?
Title: Re: Wet clutch question
Post by: RB on October 10, 2009, 06:22:55 PM
Quote from: rule62 on October 09, 2009, 11:52:12 PM
snip....
  If there were some internal clutch failure, or a tip-over on the clutch side, I think that panel might come in handy. 

My bike went over and punched a hole in the cover(wet clutch), the deadner/protector kept metal and gravel from entering the moving clutch before the bike could be shut off. If i had a dry clutch i am pretty sure i would have sustained more damage then a clutch/side cover.
I still want a dry clutch though.
As for the oil baffles, i am not sure, nor can i say it will make the beloved Italian Tambourine sound, or similar. Our engines make a ton of racket as it is, due to the valve train. The dry clucth makes a significantly different sound. My point here, is that, i  would think that taing out the clutch deadner would add more noise to the engine, making it more difficult to hear engine irragularities.....but perhaps not, as i have never heard the difference.
Title: Re: Wet clutch question
Post by: caperix on October 10, 2009, 07:01:17 PM
The 848 has a little bit of the dry clutch rattle, at least more than my 620.  The parts guide for it does not list any of the inserts in the side cover, I have yet to have it off yet to see if there is anything in there or not.
Title: Re: Wet clutch question
Post by: Raux on October 10, 2009, 11:50:58 PM
Quote from: caperix on October 10, 2009, 07:01:17 PM
The 848 has a little bit of the dry clutch rattle, at least more than my 620.  The parts guide for it does not list any of the inserts in the side cover, I have yet to have it off yet to see if there is anything in there or not.

what clutch are you running?

it is the APTC or a non-slipper? or are you using a true slipper?
Title: Re: Wet clutch question
Post by: caperix on October 11, 2009, 08:15:55 AM
Quote from: Raux on October 10, 2009, 11:50:58 PM
what clutch are you running?

it is the APTC or a non-slipper? or are you using a true slipper?

Sorry that was a bit unclear, I have both an 848 and a 620 monster.  The 848 still has the factory non slipper clutch in it.  The 620 has a 800ss clutch in it.  The 848 does make a little bit of the clutch rattle like the dry clutch bikes, I don't know if it is due to basket design or if they lack the insulation on the side cover.
Title: Re: Wet clutch question
Post by: Raux on October 11, 2009, 09:03:56 AM
on ebay there is an 848 ergal slipper clutch for sale. have you seen  it? what's your opinion on it?

also are your two clutches interchangeable? reason is i just picked up a used 848 clutch and want to make sure i didnt' waste my money.

Title: Re: Wet clutch question
Post by: caperix on October 11, 2009, 12:25:52 PM
Quote from: Raux on October 11, 2009, 09:03:56 AM
on ebay there is an 848 ergal slipper clutch for sale. have you seen  it? what's your opinion on it?

also are your two clutches interchangeable? reason is i just picked up a used 848 clutch and want to make sure i didnt' waste my money.



Is it the one Motowheels is selling?  It does look like a quality piece, though I have no FHE.  I don't feel the slipper is needed for street riding though, if you plan on doing many track days it would be a good investment.
Unfortunatly I have not checked to see if the 2 clutches are compadable, I have been watching your progress on the other thread hoping to find out for myself.
Good luck, hope it all works for you.
Title: Re: Wet clutch question
Post by: Raux on October 11, 2009, 12:47:38 PM
no i dont think its the motowheels one.

i'll hold off for now on that.s it's about a 450 dollar investment and i'm running up on my parts budget limit
Title: Re: Wet clutch question
Post by: hackers2r on October 11, 2009, 07:08:51 PM
I too just looked through the parts catalog and checked out what you said.  I think at my 7500 mi service I am going to remove this panel.  I really can't foresee what damage it could do.  It is listed for my bike as a sound deadener.  I want to un-deaden the sound so we'll see what removing this does.  If anyone attempts this before me, please post the results of your efforts.  Thanks.