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Title: No silencers just right out of the udder, is it possible ? Post by: eddyshore on October 10, 2009, 09:41:01 AM No silencers just right out of the udder, is it possible ?
What are the long term effects besides hearing loss ? Anyone tried this ? I will call it the ugly Xbox Title: Re: No silencers just right out of the udder, is it possible ? Post by: kopfjäger on October 10, 2009, 09:56:20 AM It has been done by several people.
Power loss (?) Looks like shit Sounds like shit Bike will no doubt run lean Title: Re: No silencers just right out of the udder, is it possible ? Post by: DucHead on October 10, 2009, 09:57:02 AM As mentioned, this has been done many, many times. Try a search. :)
Title: Re: No silencers just right out of the udder, is it possible ? Post by: Statler on October 10, 2009, 10:15:00 AM http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=18164.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=18164.0)
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=3101.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=3101.0) http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25139.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25139.0) a few. There's a lot more if you dig around. Title: Re: No silencers just right out of the udder, is it possible ? Post by: corey on October 11, 2009, 07:08:54 AM did it on my s2r800 for a long while. no problems.
Title: Re: No silencers just right out of the udder, is it possible ? Post by: cshadow2 on October 11, 2009, 08:37:56 AM tryed it on my S4RS sounded lie a Harley (not my bag) put the pipes back on.
Title: Re: No silencers just right out of the udder, is it possible ? Post by: Case S2R on October 11, 2009, 12:26:41 PM Yes it is possible, I did it briefly on my S2R 1000, I thought it sounded a bit abrasive, like a poor running chainsaw, not the classic Ducati growl. I since went to fully cored cans with perforated tubing and packing and even the addition of those (with full udder, stock air box) I could detect a slight change in the way the bike performs. It is a bit slower to start and twice it has died on me (in 4,000 miles) as I have come up to stoplights. The two stalls may not be related but it never did it before I opened up/removed the cans. The slower starting I feel is related to being a bit leaner but I do not have any other symptoms of running lean and the bike runs well. The small problems I explained, I expect you to have, but IMO it is a small price to pay for unlocking the sweet sound. It will be up for you to decide if you like the straight out of the udder sound.
Title: Re: No silencers just right out of the udder, is it possible ? Post by: herm on October 11, 2009, 04:22:13 PM ran my 06 s2r1k with only the udder for the first 5k....no problems.
except that it was way too loud. Title: Re: No silencers just right out of the udder, is it possible ? Post by: Airborne on October 11, 2009, 06:33:53 PM Ducati Monster Drive-By (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGL1UmzvkKE#ws-normal)
6k miles with just the udder, no problems. Sounds like zards, even people who own zards told me it sounds like zards. Mine have the "presilencers" and cat material still in them. Title: Re: No silencers just right out of the udder, is it possible ? Post by: psycledelic on October 12, 2009, 12:29:07 AM I ran my udder for about a month while my current exhaust was being finished. No issues with the performance. Very, very ugly. Sound wasn't bad, but a little harsh and and loud on decel. I will say that if I had tried it before I bought my old Termignoni setup, I would have stayed with the udder and kept the $1800 for something else. I love my current exhaust (termi headers / Motocreations extensions) but $ for $, I lost my ass on selling the Termi slipons.
I thought someone made a carbon udder cover. If so, it might be an option for the looks. Title: Re: No silencers just right out of the udder, is it possible ? Post by: corey on October 12, 2009, 05:33:36 AM ^^precisely.
especially when you are comparing it to the exbox from quat-d. the difference in sound is negligible, and the exbox doesn't look that much better. save your money until you come across a nice used set of zards or something. Title: Re: No silencers just right out of the udder, is it possible ? Post by: cshadow2 on October 12, 2009, 06:23:13 AM i looked into putting in baffles to tighten up the sound but it turned into more than a one rainy day project so i quit screwing with it.
Title: Re: No silencers just right out of the udder, is it possible ? Post by: ProTeal55 on October 12, 2009, 08:28:41 AM I ran around on my 07S2R1K with just the udder for about 3000 miles (and as stated above) I had no issues.
Eventually went with a set of BoomTubes from Mark over at Motocreations becasue I couldnt stand the look of the udder hangin off the bottom of the bike (and also wanted to keep the back wheel open/clean)... Title: Re: No silencers just right out of the udder, is it possible ? Post by: herm on October 12, 2009, 09:55:29 AM ^^precisely. especially when you are comparing it to the exbox from quat-d. the difference in sound is negligible, and the exbox doesn't look that much better. save your money until you come across a nice used set of zards or something. actually, i put an ex-box on when i stopped running just the udder. IMO there is a huge difference, both in sound and looks. the ex box is way quieter, and the lines are better than the udder as well. plus, i wanted to get rid up the pipes getting in the way of my right heel... Title: Re: No silencers just right out of the udder, is it possible ? Post by: speedevil on October 13, 2009, 04:35:20 AM Hey guys, a little consideration here? Remember when NYC was going to ticket bikes without an EPA sticker on the exhaust system? Since the ordinance didn't apply to cars and trucks it is biased, but it is a response to unmuffled motorcycle noise that is not appreciated by everyone.
Whether you like it or not, there are going to be more communities that enforce noise and EPA regs, and running open exhausts is going to cause that to happen sooner rather than later. Don't get me wrong, I love the sound of my Termis, but running open exhausts is not going to fly for much longer. Yes, you can swap the stockers back on to get an inspection sticker. If you read the information in the aftermarket exhaust packaging, it says "for off-road use only" or something like that. The manufacturer is off the hook. That leaves you. Just consider the long-term consequences. OK, off the soapboax and back to your regular scheduled posts. Title: Re: No silencers just right out of the udder, is it possible ? Post by: squidwood on October 14, 2009, 01:21:45 AM It has been done by several people. Power loss (?) Looks like shit Sounds like shit Bike will no doubt run lean I have run my s2r 800 this way since 2006.I did 12.1 in the quarter.There is no power loss.I have not experienced any issues.Looks great, sounds great bike runs great.I also lost a bunch of un-necessary weight. Do a search for my yellow/black s2r 800, under the heading "my bike". Yet again another post from someone not knowing....... Title: Re: No silencers just right out of the udder, is it possible ? Post by: corey on October 14, 2009, 04:46:15 AM my bike is running leaner with my full zard system than it did with udder-only.
Title: Re: No silencers just right out of the udder, is it possible ? Post by: Cloner on October 14, 2009, 07:39:39 AM Loud pipes DO NOT save lives. Loud pipes piss off your neighbors, get you tickets, and give the general population a poor impression of motorcycles in general, which leads to more restrictive legislation for everybody who rides. I don't like restrictive legislation.
Be responsible, get some decent mufflers, and ride for the ride instead of riding to pose. (says the guy with the MH....doh!!) Title: Re: No silencers just right out of the udder, is it possible ? Post by: Duck-Stew on October 14, 2009, 12:42:50 PM Not all udders are ugly:
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2465/3607732086_2b5437a9b8_b.jpg) Title: Re: No silencers just right out of the udder, is it possible ? Post by: psycledelic on October 14, 2009, 12:49:10 PM Not all udders are ugly: (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2465/3607732086_2b5437a9b8_b.jpg) I agree (kind of). Take that stock fugly to a parts cleaner and blast it. I cleaned mine at work before going to storage it made a huge difference. Sure don't remember it being that color in the beginning. I would guess that a black (or dark) coating would help also. Stew, that freakin bike is HOT! Title: Re: No silencers just right out of the udder, is it possible ? Post by: Duck-Stew on October 14, 2009, 02:21:21 PM Thx! The udder had some slash pipes welded on the outside of the flanges and then it got Jet-Hot coated.
The lines of the udder aren't too bad, just the stock color and the outlets make it look worse... Title: Re: No silencers just right out of the udder, is it possible ? Post by: corey on October 14, 2009, 05:27:08 PM Loud pipes DO NOT save lives. Loud pipes piss off your neighbors, get you tickets, and give the general population a poor impression of motorcycles in general, which leads to more restrictive legislation for everybody who rides. I don't like restrictive legislation. Be responsible, get some decent mufflers, and ride for the ride instead of riding to pose. (says the guy with the MH....doh!!) my zard pipes are louder than my udder-only setup was. just puts the sound in a different spot. Title: Re: No silencers just right out of the udder, is it possible ? Post by: eddyshore on October 15, 2009, 07:19:32 AM Stew , Couple questions , Are you running that udder only setup, with a stock motor setup? How does it run ? And is it really loud ? Your tail chop is it a kit or self made ? Where did you chop the frame ? Ie how far in from the stock frame end did you measure and cut . Thanks in advance , and your bike is sweeeet [bow_down]
Title: Re: No silencers just right out of the udder, is it possible ? Post by: Duck-Stew on October 15, 2009, 07:34:56 AM It's not my bike, but one of my customers rides actually...
The frame was chopped when I got it and I *think* the customer bought the 'Cookie1' chop-kit from Monsterparts.com but it's been a while since I've seen that bike. It's udder only with a stock motor and the O2 sensor unplugged. Runs? Good enough. The customer didn't want to spend the $$$ to get a proper ecu for this bike so we went with what was there. Loud? Hell yeah it's loud. Like don't EVER forget your ear-plugs loud. Thanks much eddyshore! [thumbsup] Title: Re: No silencers just right out of the udder, is it possible ? Post by: Airborne on October 15, 2009, 06:44:13 PM Stew , Couple questions , Are you running that udder only setup, with a stock motor setup? How does it run ? And is it really loud ? Your tail chop is it a kit or self made ? Where did you chop the frame ? Ie how far in from the stock frame end did you measure and cut . Thanks in advance , and your bike is sweeeet [bow_down] The way I understand it is that there is more backpressure tied up in the udder/cat converter than in the silencers. Its kind of like a bottle neck I guess. The silencers probably add more restriction to the system but I havnt noticed a change in performance at all. I just pulled my plugs when I did my valves and they looked normal. I also painted it flat black, its hard to notice. A pedestrian/non monster rider wont even notice it. A lot of people ask me if its custom actually. Either way it opens up the wheel and shows off the SSS. When theres a floating wheel hanging out back there, very few people are even going to notice the udder, they usually comment about the SSS and oogle that. And I happen to like it too, so HA! Title: Re: No silencers just right out of the udder, is it possible ? Post by: psycledelic on October 16, 2009, 02:05:34 AM It's udder only with a stock motor and the O2 sensor unplugged. Runs? Good enough. The customer didn't want to spend the $$$ to get a proper ecu for this bike so we went with what was there. Loud? Hell yeah it's loud. Like don't EVER forget your ear-plugs loud. Thanks much eddyshore! [thumbsup] How long were those extensions off of the udder? I think that part of the noise issue with just the udder is that the oulets are all but aiming at your right ear. I think my new exhaust is just as loud as the udder was, but the 4 and 5 inch extension tubes Mark made for my headers pushed it back a little. Made a difference on the bike, but not behind it. Title: Re: No silencers just right out of the udder, is it possible ? Post by: Duck-Stew on October 16, 2009, 03:55:08 AM The angled extensions are about 2" long so it's not much but I think it does help angle it away from the ears a bit.
Title: Re: No silencers just right out of the udder, is it possible ? Post by: ProTeal55 on October 16, 2009, 08:28:47 AM A pedestrian/non monster rider wont even notice it. A lot of people ask me if its custom actually. I got this question allot too when I was running the open udder on my scoot. |