Ducati Monster Forum

Got pulled over last night on the way home from work, Local Plod are going Psycho on the Highway south of Cairns since they dropped the speed limits (100KPH down to 80KPH) it's not unusual to see in a 5 KM stretch to see The Speed Camera Van, a Cop with a Radar and the Highway Pursuit car all patrolling in the area (Overkill much?!?)

(A Quick Side Step for a Sec, Considering all the extra Speed enforcement on the Cairns and surround areas, they claim they have caught a staggering numbers of Speeders and how we are all so much safer than ever before, and yet, The road Death Toll in Cairns is at the highest Levels it has ever been, and we still have the busy Xmas season to go, yeah, all those fines are working wonders [roll] )

Anyway back to the Rant...

Cop pulls me over, I knew I wasn't speeding, he said license and rego check, So I produce my license and he gets the rego number, all checks out fine when he calls it in.
He comes back and starts up about the rego tube. (Mind you, nothing is said about the Tail chop and the Loud Termi's)

"Those Rego Tubes are not road legal in Qld"

"I know" I respond

"Then why do you have it on the bike?"

"Because the legal plastic Rego label holder is not waterproof, so when it rains, the rego holder fills with water, then you can't read the printed section because the ink runs"

He responds with "But it is legal"

To counter his stupidity "Simple answer yes, but to be realistic, No it's not, because when the water hits the sticker, you can't read the label, then I get a fine, If I replaced the label everytime it gets wet, I'd have to replace the label every 6 to 8 weeks, and that costs more than the fine"

"But the Rego tubes are not legal, you must use the Authorized plastic holder"
at this stage he had started getting ready to fill out his fine book.

"Fine, I have just explained why I use the rego tube, give me the fine and I'll see you in court"

"Why?" he quizzed

"Because no matter which way I go I'm make the beast with two backsed, you have motorcycle riders over a barrel, no matter how we do the Rego label thing, were make the beast with two backsed, so if you give me fine about this issue, I'll get a solicitor and take it to a Judge and see what he thinks, Then I'll take it to the Cairns post and media outlets, and get there opinion"

At this point I just stopped and stared at him, and he stood there staring back, I think he was weighing up the options, about 10 seconds pass, he hands me my license back.
"Ride Safe, thankyou for your time"

So I had a win, I think... Knowing my luck they will flag my rego, so I may get harassed from now on. 

Got that to when i was pinned for splitting between cars on the M2.

I just said 'really? We bought the bike new and the shop put it on for us, i wonder why they would do that if it was not legal?'. Mind you it was also hidden from view but i guess since i was ultra polite about all my failures as a human he let me go (not from the lane splitting fine though, 2 points DOH!).

Or just buy or build one of these.
http://www.regoholders.com.au/id31.html (http://www.regoholders.com.au/id31.html)

Well CD...

I'm surprised he didn't book you..  He doesn't write the law he just enforces it, stupid or not.   He is totally in the right and he gets paid to go to court, so no skin off his nose.

I haven't worn a uniform since 1986 and I was never interested in traffic matters, but if someone like you insisted on going to court I would oblige them very quickly.   A day in court is a very easy shift... ;)

Ita

From memory of the Victorian Road Regulations Act, there isnt a stipulation as to what container/display method is used other than it must me mounted on the left hand side of the motorcycle or be mounted on the handlebars. ;D

The place that 99.9% of shops put it is under the Number plate which isnt actually legal. But the Plods accept it and have had that fact pointed out to me by more than one officer, their opinion is, that is the place it should be!! (No it aint officer, then at least, dunno if its changed, doesnt make a lot of money for the coffers so it probably hasnt. [roll] ) But of course on that patch of road, at that particular time HE IS th6e Law!  [leo]

In most instances of riders getting knocked off for this, the infingement has usually been an "add on" offence because said rider has been acting like a "cock" and was getting treated as such. [evil] (USUALLY) ;D

I would have thrown you into the back of a divvy van making sure to knock your melon on the door on the way through.


Just because I'm a pr*ck.




 ;D

Heh, that only happened once I'm a quick learner...................sorta [evil] [thumbsup]

I was quite surprised to hear that those tubes are illegal.  They seem to be a really good idea, especially considering the story in the first post: damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I cannot find the regulations regarding the display of a rego sticker.  Can anyone point me in the right direction?  Nothing I can find specifies the type of holder, and by memory the only thing I remember is that the sticker must be on the rear or left side of the vehicle...

Also, yeah, never tell a cop you'll see him in court.  That's his cue to make notes of the encounter so he's prepared when he sees you in front of the judge (magistrate?  I dunno what you call 'em here...)  Be polite, take your own notes, and when he shows up confused and foggy-minded, your odds are improved.

I've also heard that it's basically pointless going to court in Australia 'cause they'll ding you for the costs of all the experts they fly in to beat your ass down.  I heard this terrible news when debating the idea of contesting a speeding ticket.

I didn't give a shit that he would take notes, I couldn't give a shit if he gave me a fine, I was polite when dealing with him, I never called him names or swore directly at the guy (As in "make the beast with two backs you" or "get make the beast with two backsed") I have a lot of respect for what the Police force have to put up with every day. I never said to him the classic cliched "you should be out there chasing drug dealers and child molesters"

I'm just sick of being walked all over by this state government, I would have most likely lost the case, I just decided to argue my case and to argue the logic of the rules, granted he didn't make them, but he was the guy enforcing the rules, so I told him I was going to exercise my rights to take it in front the courts and the court of public opinion.

I suppose to me it highlights the stupidity of this Government and Police force in Qld, people are dying on our roads everywhere, they blame Speed and other Stupid reasons, they enforce these stupid rules, yet piss poor drivers with unsafe cars that keep chatting/texting away are allowed to drive along free as a bird on grossly overloaded unsafe roads.

The other thing I find interesting is how many people seem to want to side with the Police in this case.

Governments change, the Police dont!! [roll]

Remember the Jo Bjerky years in Qld ?? You reckon its bad now??  :o

The best redneck police force money could and did buy!!  [evil] [leo]

Maybe I should have tried to sling him $100?  [laugh]

Well CD I wasn't taking sides just showing surprise that he didn't take you up on your wish to go to court :o

Maybe those tubes are legal?  Have you checked the wording of the relevant legislation?

Ita

Don't get me wrong, I'm totally on your side in this.  I was just suggesting that if you're going to start a fight, you don't need to make it easier for the other guy.  =)

My preferred course of action usually involves staying way under their radar, and hitting them hard with a full understanding of the law.  It works really well with security guards when we're doing parkour in the city.  

I tried to find out about this very issue, I spoke to a number of people from Dept of Transport, I have spoken to the local vehicle rego specialist at the the Cairns Mains road office and she could not find anything out regarding the legality, She basically said as long as it was on the rear or left hand side (when sitting on the bike) of the bike and all details of the label could be read easily, she didn't have an issue with it.
She said she thought they were a great Idea for bikes. She and her little entourage of specialists from Dept of Transport visit every Dealer of bikes and cars between Cairns and Townsville and deal with all aspects or Rego paperwork and Registration questions, issues and dramas.

Unfortunately, I never got as far into as I wanted, simply because the bike shop I was working for when I started chasing this up went out of business.

Well CD do some homework and report back to us...

The regs (relevant act of Parliament.  Motor Car Act, Road Traffic Regulations) should be available as a read only file or free download on ya State Government web site... :)

Ita

I found this for Qld rego labels. [thumbsup]

I dont know where the cop got the idea that the holder was illegal as it doesnt state what is, or is not suitable!! [roll]

Maybe he DID know it and just tried to pull your chain??  :o (Of course NOT!! Yeah right!! [evil] )

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_reg/toumrr1999725/s33.html (http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_reg/toumrr1999725/s33.html)

The law in this case seems perfectly clear: The rego sticker needs to be in a holder.  It does not specify the TYPE of holder.  Print that page and stick it in the holder with your rego.  =D

I always thought this was the critical thing. The tubes we have were bought from a guy in Qld (linked through the DOCQ) and part of his blurb (yes I know people will say anything to sell stuff) was that they were legal in all states of Australia - basically intimating the above by saying everything was readable.

straight from the rta website

Where on my vehicle should I stick the rego label?
The label should be stuck on the inside of the lower-left portion of the front windscreen or on a fixed glass panel on the left-hand side of your vehicle.

For caravans and other trailers with a rear facing window, the label may be stuck on the inside of that window in a position as close as possible to the number plate. Hinged windows displaying a rego label must be closed while the vehicle is being towed.

For any other vehicles, the label should be affixed on or adjacent to the vehicle's rear number plate without obscuring the vehicle's number plate characters.

Suitable label holders may be purchased from most automotive retail suppliers.

In this sort of case being pulled over for doing nothing at all other than a rego check (which can be done on the move)
IMO as long as you are polite (as you were) stated a logical case that would most likely hold water (pardon the pun)
giving you a ticket would only serve to further piss off the public (you)

I am not surprised to know they might possibly be illegal but really they don't serve any purpose, rego labels that is.
If your plate is run then the label means nothing really, all it serves as is verification of VIN # and a receipt of you paying your rego.

My view anyways.

Happy to know you had a better experience of being "rego checked" was there a purposed served other than also checking your licence.

Jukie: Interesting that the NSW regulations you found (http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/otherinformation/rego_faq.html) dictate the placement, but still don't make any particular mention of the style of holder.  I guess the tubes are still legal there?

matty: Yeah, the rego thing is really weird to me as a furriner in these lands.  We had only a year sticker that would go on our license plates in Canada.  The rego proof of payment, both here and there, seems designed for an era before computers and radios and celphones.  Now that police can verify the status of a vehicle quickly, and indeed automatically with plate-reading cameras, they seem pointless.

EDIT: Fixed URL

yep just seems like something else we need to carry and loose off the bike.
oh well till I have a problem, rego tube is in place.

Is there anywhere to get tubes that don't cost sixty bucks? 

yeah you can cheapy rubber type ones for about $20 from MCAS here in Sydney.
I am sure a similar type of accessories place in Bris-vegas will carry them.

Though the billet ones are nice.

I got back from a ride the other day 1st back from sprained ankle could just get my boot on ankle still a bit swollen but with 5 weeks no ride I was pissed . Got home put her away came out later to put the cover on gave her a once over and no label it was gone the tube and the label , Fu(k I have to go to the rta for another one ! has this happened to anyone ?

bsbd  feral

yep on a ride last year three out of the group of about 12 lost tubes and labels
one of them still hasn't replaced his......

yep to betty several times but that was with the plastic holder, that you get when it if first registrater the bike. the tube one came of the lambretta on the weekend, but she does vibrate alot. what i do is is  locktite to keep the screws in place

Yep on Saturday. Lillie lost hers ... the Lammie seems to rattle more things off than the Monster (whose losses include two of the 'trailer rego holders'). I tend to lose lots of things ... loctite, your resistance is futile.

EDIT: She beat me to it.

Oh yeah and I managed to retrieve two of the three bits on the weekend.

Yep I lost the square plastic one off the back so checked legality of tube ones. Got a tube and paid for new label but didn't use loctite  [bang] so lost the first tube.  Now have new tube, paid for another label and have used loctite.  It's still on the bike.  I have it tucked down the left side the back of the pillion peg.  Which in my interpretation of the Vic Roads rules is legal. But I am prepared for some questions next time I get licence checked. But I guess your's has to be on the back in NSW.

Didn't sprain the ankle doing something boring I hope?

Cairns Duc - nice to see common sense win out for a change - well done.

Hmmmm, where can I buy shares in the Rego Tube company??  [thumbsup] [laugh] [clap]

In the last 28 years how many times have I been pulled over for "Just a rego check, Sir" in the car? Never.
On the bike? well I've lost count.

Yes heatherp , I did jumped out of my van on side of the road to relive myself and there was a big pot hole as i was in mid air thought foot will get wet here , next thing im on the ground pothole was 40cm deep filled with water with a rock just under the water ,I thought it was broken but no .... At least the cruches I bought in france when I broke my leg came in handy .....


bsbd   feral

Well we ARE all criminals and antisocial types that need constant monitoring, special treatment and monetary levies and charges after all, arnt we??  :o

My reg is due in 2 weeks. On the Vic Roads form -

" Directions on how to affix label "

Blah blah for cars/windscreens, then

 - For motorcycles and trailers, place the label in a special holder provided by you "

Have spoken to Vic police about this for decades, and recently. All say they would never take action over the absence of a visible label alone but it's a nice one to have up the sleeve if the customer is narky, or they are in that mood themselves. Having the label tucked under the seat or in the wallet seems acceptable, but no label at all may induce them to asking a few more questions.



 

 

I've lost count how may times I have been pulled over for License and rego checks while on the bike, I, like most others don't have an issue with it, The more illegal bikes and unlicensed riders that are put off the road is a good thing, as they cause the legit riders like us no end of bad publicity.

I was just bloody annoyed when they get out and try to flex some muscle for no apparent reason, we have people dying on our local roads, due to drunk drivers, poorly maintained cars, Drivers talking on phones, Illegal u turns, Etc, Etc.......

My bike is better maintained then a vast majority of vehicles on the road, and yet this guy wants to give me a fine (and loss of a point) for an "Illegal rego label"  not make the beast with two backsing likely!

Truly epic waste of resources, no wonder people are dying on our roads, these guys are so skewed in there Policing it's amazing, and the sad part, it's all come from the top level officers.

I've been using the 'dirt bike method' of fitting the rego label on my road and dirt bikes for 5 years now, had a few licence & rego checks and has been all good  [thumbsup]
Sandwich the rego label between 2 pieces of clear contact, then use another strip of clear contact to hold it in place on the fork tube on the left hand side. Cheaper than the tubes and doesn't fall off. ;)

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2472/4008036050_cfa31fc0e4_b.jpg)

I wonder who you are talking about! It's replaced, just not in a tube and not affixed to the bike as yet - it's a work in progress....

Truth or Dare [bow_down] [bow_down]

Ita

Just checked the RTA website foe NSW
States that any other vehicle other than a car without a windscreen blah blah
the rego sticker should be below the number plate
hmm!! mines not wonder what the fine would be ?

What does it state about the "manner" of display?? Tube, plastic trailer type thingy, or like most States apparently, doesnt stipulate anything at all??

Sounds like some of the Plods oughta get a Manager and stop handling themselves. [roll] [leo]

i've had my S4R for 6 years now and until may this year it has never had a label on it, ever. i got pulled on mt.cootha and after a heated debate on noise, speed, tyres, and the dreaded licence and rego check. i got a ticket for not displaying the sticker because i wouldn't admit to anything else. they tape your conversations boys and girls, the three golden rules are DENY, DENY, DENY. think before you open your gob, everything they ask is designed for an admission from you in your response, they're not that bright, if you play the game they're easy to outwit, you have noticed that they have a set of questions, and a certain order they ask them in?

paul.

I'm well known for arguing with cops who power trip on me (I get along great with the rest) but I was unaware I had so much arguin' ahead of me 'cause I ride a motorbike now.  Should I be budgeting extra time on trips?  ;)

 :'( :'( :'(  I'll get you Butler....  [laugh] [laugh]

Ita

sorry ita, a generalisation aimed "mainly" at the traffic branch. [thumbsup]

paul.

Ah yes...   Those boys (well some of them) give the rest a bad name...

I call the bad ones jury make the beast with two backsers... 

If I'm giving evidence in the Supreme or County Court, whilst delivering my evidence to the Judge, I try to make eye contact with as many Jurors as I can.   You can tell the cop haters in seconds :(

One bad experience with a traffic cop can turn a normal citizen into a cop hater/doubter >:(  When I did my time in uniform (7 years... and since then 23 years in Criminal Investigation and no traffic at all) I always tried to have a positive effect with traffic offenders...  If the driver was cool and polite a warning was all that was ever required in the majority of cases.

Like all jobs there are Brian Ws out there who ruin it for the rest.   I don't even know why I'm trying to justify the actions of others...   It's a funny job that way ???  Ya sorta feel resonsible for tha acts of others  [puke]

Ita

Understand where your coming from Ita!!  [thumbsup]

Some Plods seem to just have a power trip happening and they seem to head for a career in the TOG, now TMU or whatever they call themselves this week. [roll]

Just about all the cops I know reckon that they get a fat chasing people and love to flex their "authoritaa" and cause more grief than good!!  [evil] [leo]

A uniform guy I knew (Long termer in the job) said that a Cop he trained and did an assessment on (he reckoned was an incompetent, and stated such in his report) got into TOG and made Seargent within 12 months, apparently a real useless gogetter with PR skills of Attila the Hun.  :o [roll] :(

Go Figure!!  :P

Yes mate...  Go figure, sad but true.

I like to think most have good intentions, but I hear so many horror stories I just wonder :(

Ita

One of the woman my Wife works with, she is married to a Cop, decent sort of guy, just does regular duties, as part of his first 12 months he had to work in Traffic branch for 6 weeks, He told me he hated it, some grossly over inflated egos, constant power trips and the majority of the guys in traffic branch reckon they are better than the rest of the guys on the Force.

He could not wait to get out, he said that just about every guy in the main Police station up here hate the Traffic branch guys.

Or to use his exact words "Bunch of Arrogant Twats"

Wow sounds like I have been lucky up here on the Nth Beaches
Every cop who has pulled me over(usually RBT) has been polite and nice
even when asking for a licence on seeing me carrying it in my backpack
have said "don't worry mate off you go".
Even had a radar cop( his motorcycle parked behind him) on tracking me on the radar
doing an enthusiastic version of 60 Ks
drop his gun to his side and give me a nod. [leo] [thumbsup] [beer] [bow_down]

This rego thing is another great reason (one of millions) why we don't need state governments.

The six states an 2 territories can't agree on anything, let alone the very important area of licensing and road rules.

The NT has a brilliant idea for rego labels on trailers and bikes. The rego plate has a small area on the side of the plate. The rego sticker is a small water proof, reflective sticker which has a hole puched in it to indicate when the rego expires. No holders, no bullshit and the cops can see if your rego is payed up by simply looking at the rego plate. Pretty simple, and this has been in place in the NT for over 20 years.

When I moved to Cairns I counidn't believe the "smart state" is still using these antiquated rego labels. It is even worse on my dirt bike, which I don't ride on the road but has to be registered. The rego sticker is a total pain, always cracking, failing off and of course getting wet. Then the cops peg you for a rego label they can't read. They could have read it 6 hours ago before the 10 creek crossings I went through. But they home in on trail bike riders in particular areas after they have been riding all day and the bikes have copped a hiding. Then you throw the bike in the ute for the drive home and have to endure a multitude of morons who can't drive and not a cop to be seen.

As we all know there is an imbalance of treatment. 

Cheers [beer]

As with a lot of things motorcycle in regards to the Authorities its all "Mind over Matter"!!

They dont bloody well mind, and we dont friggin well matter!!  [roll] :o [bang]

In Victoria for the first time ever, motorcycles and motorcyclists have been included in the Transport Plan for the Future!! [roll]

In the past they have included, skateboards/ers, pushies etc but never, ever before motorcycles/ists. Typical aint it??  [bang] [bang]

that's cause we cool!  8)

Ohmygawd a SKEG!!  :o [roll] [evil]

And in LYCRA I'll bet??  [puke] [puke]

Again I watched the stupidity of our local Police force in action yesterday, between my place and the 10k run to the outskirts of the city, 1 hand held Radar, one unmarked car (had someone pulled over) and the Speed Camera van, all on perfectly flat straight pieces of road, where being a few k's over will not hurt anyone.

With so many people dying on our Roads, when will The general public wake up to the fact that this incessant focus on Speed enforcement is NOT saving lives?!?!?

There are letters in the paper how if we all just slow down we will have less accidents, people now deliberately drive below the limits to block and slow down other people, everyone has slowed down, they have lowered speed limits all over the region, put "traffic calming" road pimples in everywhere, put the Speed Nazis out all over the region claiming they are lowering the road toll.....
(For Christ sake, there's enough Radar being fired around to give you a suntan!)

And yet, the road Toll in the Northern region of Queensland is the highest it has ever been!!!
We have drivers talking on phones, no one gets fined!
We have unsafe/untrained drivers, no one gets fined, or better yet, proper driver training.
We have unsafe/unroadworthy vehicles everywhere, no one gets fined and the vehicles are not removed from the roads!
We have badly designed intersections, well known blackspots and family killers, never get fixed!

And where are the Cops and Politicians?
Well, the Cops are standing on perfectly good straight pieces of road pinging people for being a few k's over the limit.
And the Politicians are in there Ivory towers counting all there revenue from the Cops.
This State is run by a bunch of make the beast with two backswits, and I hate to to say this, but I can't wait to leave it.

(Steps down from the soap box)

A good reference for law related queries is a web site called Austli. It has all Australian law/regs listed. Can be a bit confusing but is a very good resource.

For the record, i have a rego tube fitted to my bike. Being a member of the Constabulary, i see it as the best option for displaying rego stickers. Common sense and Law dont always meet in the middle.

I will make some inquiries and try to settle it for the NSW guys and gals re whats acceptable. remember, there are good plumbers and there are plumbers that couldnt turn a garden hose on. Same goes for cops.

duk93

ok. should have done this prior to my last post. remember, most law related guff is about interpretation.

In a nut shell. This regulation in relation to the display of rego labels does not specify what 'brand' or 'type' of display device is to be used. All the regulation states is Section 3 (c) it must be on the left side ot the rego plate and not obscure the numbers. Section 4 states it must be visible from the outside of the vehicle.

I say go nuts. lets find new and exciting ways of displaying rego labels.

duk93
 
ROAD TRANSPORT (VEHICLE REGISTRATION) REGULATION 2007 - REG 16
Registration labels

    (3) A registration label must be affixed:

        (a) in the case of a motor vehicle fitted with a windscreen or fixed windows:

            (i) to the lower left (or near side) portion of the front windscreen, or

            (ii) to any fixed window on the left (or near) side of the vehicle, and

        (b) in the case of a caravan or other trailer:

            (i) on or adjacent to the vehicle’s number-plate in such a manner that the characters on the number-plate are not obscured, or

            (ii) if the vehicle has a fixed rear window or a hinged rear window that is to be closed when the caravan or other trailer is being towed-to that window, in a location as close as possible to the vehicle’s number-plate, and

        (c) in any other case-on or adjacent to the vehicle’s rear number-plate in such a manner that the characters on the number-plate are not obscured.

    (4) Despite subclause (3), the registration label must be affixed so that the information on the label is readable from the outside of the vehicle.

welcome back Duk93, good to have the info.

TUBULAR REGO HOLDER LATEST

From the DOCQ website.

quote
" The latest word on the legality or otherwise of tubular rego sticker holders came up at the last MRAQ meeting. It appears that Queensland Transport has made a "ruling" against them. There doesn't seem to be any solid reasoning apart from a degree of doubt about whether they display the required info at the required distance, so of course when in doubt, just ban it. However it also seems that no specific directions have been passed down the line so it's become a "grey issue" for police to pursue at their discretion. This means that if you have one fitted you are "technically illegal" but at the mercy of the individual police officer. It's reported for example that Indooroopilly police (whose beat also takes in Mt. Glorious) will book you every time whereas police from another precinct will ignore them and others just issue a friendly warning. In other words it's a bit of a crap shoot...you may get away with it or you may not, but if push comes to shove the "law" is on the side of the police. " end quote

the indooroopilly traffic branch are notorious for being the biggest bunch of egotistical, narcissistic arseholes in se qld. and usually, the bike cops are the exception to the rule, but the indooroopilly plod are all tarred with the same brush i'm afraid.

Interesting that this should pop up again and be tied to 'enthusiastic' policing.

During our little run on Saturday (which unfortunately was not completely without incident) another rider was pinged by the coppers for a rego label holder which was slightly obscuring his numberplate ... don't know what he had been up to just before that. Luckily the gathering of Monsters in the carpark escaped attention with more than their fair share of tubies ... mind you I haven't seen anything that indicates they are illegal in NSW.

On a related note ... the rego (and consequently tube holder) was checked by the road block officers during Turismo and was stated as 'checked out OK'.

(http://i857.photobucket.com/albums/ab135/MannellMotors/Assorted%20Shit/taxes-pay-for-donuts.jpg)

...so I guess living about 2 minutes from the Indooroopilly Police Station was perhaps not my best choice of location then...

I stuck my label directly onto the screen, with it off to the left just enough to satisfy requirements.  One less thing to bolt on, and no label holder = less weight  ;D

Luckily I haven't had any problems (knock on wood) but should I be fined and given the "ruling" can I still challenge in court? I would assume any "ruling" needs to be validated by the courts to be legally binding?

Was thinking about what to study next............maybe I should denounce all contact with the human race and study law?

After seeing the shenanagans with the  [leo] regarding motorcycle rego  on Saturdays ride I emailed the RTA
asking "Are rego tube's legal in N.S.W. on a motorcycle. "
This was there response
Dear Dezmonster
Thankyou for your email
Regarding the use of cylindrical registration label holders:
It is required by law that the registration label of a motorcycle be affixed on or adjacent to the vehicle's rear number plate without obscuring the vehicle's number plate characters;and the registration label must be affixed so that the information on the label is readable.
Registration label holders that meet that requirements are acceptable.
Regards
Rosemary
RTA
from the horses mouth so next time Mr plod wants to write you up quote the RTA

Thats good news. Rosemary response didnt say it had to be on the LHS. I have mine on the exhaust hanger as it easy to see and attach there. Cylinder type of coarse. NB this is the third one I've had now as they keep getting nicked. Downside is that when they pinch them my pipes are flapping in the breeze... On the bright side - at least I know the rego labels gone.  :'(

I lost mine on the putty somewhere - took about 9 months of researching a replacement, only for me to find the original "trailer type" in the garage and affix that.... Might have to replace it with another tube (finally!)

Are you sure that is correct?

I was pulled over by a gentleman in blue 2 weeks ago who wanted to discuss my lack of rego label (i had the interim label still on...after 11 months <long story as to why>).

He told me i didn't need to stick the rego label at the back, i could mount it anywhere i liked providing it was visible. He suggested putting it on the front screen to keep the back tidy (just like Q777 has).

As i am getting my rego done today, i am considering just putting it on the screen and being done with it. Less hassle.

[laugh] [laugh] [clap] [laugh]

My rego label lives in the standard issue shitty semi-clear plastic holder much loved by the regulating authorities. Its attached to the left side of my bike by a hideous black cable-tie.  It sometimes gets caught up completely out of sight under the seat however, but easily redeployed once the...um.... mistake is noticed.  Gotta fix that.

And anyway, since  [leo] already knows details such as "who is the registered owner of the vehicle" before he/she asks these loaded questions, presumably the vehicle's rego-validity status is also recorded and stored in a similar database.  So it beats me why in this Brave New World we even need an archaic sticky label to confirm what they already know......  ???

That is a direct copy of the email I received from the RTA

But It really is in the hands of Mr P Lod  [leo] at the end of the day as he is the one writing your ticket
Then the onus is on you to challenge his ruling or not through the court.
Same as the old lane splitting thing some cops don't like it and will book you
others don't even bat an eye lid.
I am still waiting back on a response from RTA on that very subject.

Sorry Dez, that sounded like i was questioning you (i did'nt mean it that way). I was meaning was the RTA lady sure about her response.

This is what i hate about laws that are left to 'interpretation'. You can interpret correctly or incorrectly. Why do our laws allow an incorrect interpretation? They should be black & white. Put a minimum size diameter to meet the display requirements and problem solved.

This is one reason why i am worried about doing the tail chop. All it takes is one upset  [leo] to defect me and ruin the fun. How i'd get the tail back to stock if that event happened i have no idea ??? Does anyone know someone who has been defected for a tail chop?

a mate of mine puts his on the front fork leg, just below the top triple clamps, can face in or out, but can be seen ok

No offence taken Mr Grope [thumbsup]
Yes as this was a response from someone called "Rosemary .........?" at RTA  I
cant tell if she is maybe the work experience girl or the CEO so no attention to detail
about the left hand side of vehicle , which I was under the impression was okay.
I have moved mine to under the number plate just to dot and cross the apparent RTA / [leo]
requirements .
I have not been shown the slightest bit of interest by  [leo] in the tail chop but have kept the removed
offending piece of frame
just in case which can quite easily be re attached temporally or permanently(see main board) if a defect was thrown my way.
Go on chop away (unless your cans are going to hang out the back too far like a set of dog's 00)

this is straight from the RTA Website

Where on my vehicle should I stick the rego label?

The label should be stuck on the inside of the lower-left portion of the front windscreen or on a fixed glass panel on the left-hand side of your vehicle.

For caravans and other trailers with a rear facing window, the label may be stuck on the inside of that window in a position as close as possible to the number plate. Hinged windows displaying a rego label must be closed while the vehicle is being towed.

For any other vehicles, the label should be affixed on or adjacent to the vehicle's rear number plate without obscuring the vehicle's number plate characters.

Suitable label holders may be purchased from most automotive retail suppliers.

this just depend i guess what Motorcycle is classes as, whether it is a Vehicle or Other Vehicle

Chiming in...a mate (some of you would have met him on the VFR during my infamous 1st OzMo ride) was just pinged for a rego tube.

He was riding his (recently upgraded to) 100% showroom stock CBR1100XX at or below the speed limit in a line of traffic along the M5 this morn through a roadworks section.   [leo] car was 4-5 cars in FRONT of him.   [leo] puts his lights on, pulls into the breakdown lane and slows, then pulls out behind my mate and throws his lights on again.

Mate pulls over and gets done for incorrect display of rego label. (he has in mounted in a tube directly under his rego plate.  Nothing is obscured)  Aside from questioning the  [leo] on how this was an offence he also asked him how he knew this from 4 cars ahead of him.   [leo] said he had booked half a dozen bikes this morning and was checking every bike he saw.

No doubt a letter will be written but be warned all, seems they're getting serious about making quota  [bang]

Bloody hell, that's rich.

I really hope he takes it to court - that counts as harassment.

I just learned I'm a criminal, for taking my label off the back and putting it on the side.

How much is the fine anyway?

I have found, that the cops who actually care about these things aren't into vehicles at all, let alone bikes. They're the ones who believe a car is to get you from point A to B, and no money at all should be spent on it, instead the money should be spent on a new pocket protector for their business shirt. The ones who let things like that go, providing you're not a rude prick, are the ones who love 'works of art' on wheels.....

yep usually seems like luck of the draw when being pulled over.
I know what you are talking about Hugh, some Officers are fair, some will look for everything they can.

polices discretion we use these words alot where i work

$83

The mounting location in Qld is a little different, we can have it mounted in on the rear
or on the left of the Vehicle. (Curbside)

I will say I do take notice when looking at a bike cruising along, there are a lot more Rego
tubes appearing on Bikes up here in North Qld, So it would be interesting to see how that
develops with our over Zealous Traffic Branch constantly annoying Bike Riders.

But in about 8 weeks I am out the door!  [thumbsup]

I was riding home from work yesterday and got pulled up for an RBT at the Berowra RFS HQ.

The female officer points out my rego tube to her compratiate and says "Wow, that's awesome and so nifty, I'm going to get me one of them for xmas and one for my brothers dirt bike too!"
Her partner then said "they are quite common and most people have them mounted on their number plate" I thought I was going to get pinged when he said that, but they let me go.
My tube is mounted on my pillion peg bracket, but it is strategically angled (and not purposely hidden or obscured) so that all the relevant info is angled up and easily read whilst standing next to the bike. Maybe that helped, who knows.

Heh, Merry Christmas from the Constabulary??  [leo] [roll]

in victoria it has to be on the lh side of the vehicle.  i pointed out (in jest) to the cop riding one of the police bmw we used to service that the rego label location on that bike (under the plate) was illegal.  his reply was a shrug and the comment "you'd have to be pretty hard up to book someone for that" or the like.

Heh! It HAS happened!  [roll] (Was in conjunction with some other infringements after some stupid tomfoolery on the riders part!  ;) [leo] )

Well Merry Xmas from the NSW  [leo] to you then!
I was rather worried when we were RBT-ed the other weekend in the Mountains.
Unfortunately one of us did get pinged but it was un-related to bike or bling.

Matty, we thought it was 'bike or bling' ... we were just trying to work out who was going to cop it the worst.

Glad these things are gaining some more acceptance with 'that lot' ... as there is a couple more in the post at the moment.

whats a rego sticker ??

dont think i have had one on a bike for about 10 years  [laugh]

After all the debates of legality etc.....i found my own personal solutiion......my label sits on the garage bench.......problem solved    ;D ;D

Some of em can be pretty reasonable...... I got pulled over a little while back and  [leo] pretended not to notice as I casually removed the seat, flipped out the rego label holder and put the seat back on.  There may also have been a few other things that cloulda been noticed, but were also overlooked.  Had a friendly chat, got sent on my way  [thumbsup]. 

Anybody you know Brad?  ;) ;).