Ducati Monster Forum

Hello All

I'm considering to trade-in my 696 for a 1100 Monster soon.  The dealer naturally recommended I go for the 1100S version but this would streth my budget beyond what I was planning to.   I also want to install Temi slip-ons on the 1100 which also add to the cost. 

I now have the option to either buy a stock 1100S or to buy an 1100 + Termi slip-ons.

What would you recommend?

Y.

I went thru the same dilemma....  and came down on the side of 1100S.  You can always save and buy Termis later.... but if you buy the 1100 its not so easy to upgrade the suspension if you feel the need down the track..... 

slipons or full exhaust? because there's a big difference. the 1100S is almost equal in price to the 1100+full termi. but if it's only slipon then you still save about just under 2k on the purchase.

you've got to consider your riding style, your usage and your local laws. a termi system (other than titanium slipons) isn't technically street legal. and if you aren't tracking or really pushing the bike, than the S is just extra handling you don't need. and if you are riding all the time, going to put high mileage and basically use the bike to death, the non S won't make you cringe everytime a rock hits your fork.

I did the same thing.  The S was not on my list.  I did my test ride on an S and I am more than happy with the standard 1100.  I throw my body all over this bike through the turns. 

The reason for not wanting the S was the gold.  I just don't like the Ohlins gold bits.  I upgraded for the dry clutch and SSS so...

I was thinking about slipons as I am not sure I can justift the price of the full system.  

I also fully agree with your comment that the 'S' might be too precious to be used as a standrd, daily ride bike :)   I do plan to put high milage on the bike and I do not ride in tracks at all.

get the S. you'll regret it if you don't.

Take option #3:
1100 + Magnesium wheels =  [bacon]

I'd go w/ the S as well... a slip on exhaust can be found for much cheaper than suspension upgrades.  I would rather have better suspension than the exhaust... just m $0.02

If i had it to do over again on my 848, I would have done the suspension right off the bat.  But I had no option for an 'S' model... so I'm making my own [thumbsup]

I no longer have my 1100S after I lowsided in dirt and gravel. I did get my full termis off the bike before saying goodbye. The right can and shield are cosmetically scratched, but that's it. I'm going to sell the entire system (~$2900 new) with ecu for $1850 shipped (in US). If interested, send me a PM and I'll take some pics of it.

BTW, if you've never heard the full termis w/o the db killers, you're going to be in for a nice surprise.  [thumbsup]

ride both.  if the suspension makes a difference to you, get the S (then save up for the pipes)

I'd agree here too... for me, I have no desire to run my Monster at track days, and will not push it super hard on the street. I elected for the 1100 since I didnt need the upgraded suspension. As far as the pipes go, I decided to wait and research my options. I am glad I did cause I am waiting for the boom tubes to become available :)

One thing I think is worth mentioning is suspension setup. Will either or both options be correct for you?

Its all well and good to say the Ohlins is better but one thing I have always struggled with is 'what and why is it better?' If the stock Ohlins suspension in the S needs to be resprung for you then you have other costs to incur to get the 'better suspension' anyway.

I don't really know what I am talking about, but how would you guys rate properly setup Showa(?) versus a stock Ohlins setup?

well setup cheaper suspension would be more enjoyable for me than badly setup pricier stuff.   But I'd assume everyone sets their bike up (or has it done) for them.     That's one big reason testriding bikes is difficult to compare....I allways like my bike more then even really hot bikes borrowed... but it's because everything is where I want it....suspension, pegs, hand controls, etc.etc.

some noticeable differences are how much different it feels with small adjustments...a few clicks on my bike make a big difference.   One other thing I notice, especially on the street, is that good suspension can be firm, and yet not harsh on small square edge bumps like frost heaves.  I'd like to tinker with a bike that has different slow and high speed compression adjustments to really get that tweaked, but that reaches the area where cost outweighs benefit for me personally.

I'd buy the S, then decide what I didn't like about it and start changing things over time.

It's a lot harder to add Ohlins later than to add pipes later. Seems like an easy choice to me.

Thanks for the reply

I was checking Ducati website again for the differences between the M1100 and M1100S and noticed it’s summed up to the front and rear suspensions, and carbon parts.   While in the Hypermotard family the ‘s’ model also includes Brembo Monobloc calipers and lightweight Marchesini wheels.
Am I missing something here or is the difference between the two monsters (1100 & 1100S) is not as big as the difference between the two hypers (1100 & 1100S)? 

yeah the HM 1100s is one serious bit of kit! forged wheels, monoblocks, ohlins.....it's a bike that's overkill...in a good way!

Nope you're not missing anything... the Hyper S does get forged marchesinis and the 1100S Monster doesnt...

Th HM 1100S doesn't get an Ohlins fork, it uses a Marzocchi unit which is NOT in the same league as Ohlins.

Ohlins are worth the difference.

Slipons are expensive and without a proper ECU are just noise - littel performance at all.

A gentleman on the Ducati list just posted that he got a new 08 HM "S" model for $8990 or some such.  Same engine and money left over for the kit if you could find a deal like that.

Are there still deals on left over on 08 or 07 S4RS or  T's?  I've heard Ducati has given some very big incentives to dealers to get the "older" left overs out the door to make room for the new stuff.

Look well before buying.

LA

Where I live, the S4RS have held their resale value better than the S4R.  Will that be the case again for the 1100 series?  If so, you can justify the extra expense as being an "investment or the future"   ;)

My suggestion would be to buy the 1100S and enjoy the upgraded parts and save up for a full Termi system.

I have a '07 S4Rs that I started out w, a stock exhaust system and then added Termi slip ons.

They were louder but I can't say that they made much of a difference in performance.

I then had a full Termi system w, DP ECU and Open Air Box and the performance was stunning.

Kinda like a turbo had been installed.

Dolph      :)

Many great points. Nothing else to add here.

My vote:  s ... all day long.  :)

+1 and if the issue is between slip-ons and S dude, no contest.



and you will find suspension envy sucks.  :-\

It's a no brainer........... the S.

You WILL end up with an exhaust on it be it just a slip on or full system.

Also the S will inherently maintain a higher resale value whereas a full system to a standard, or and S for that matter, just makes it a bit easier to sell. Doesn't really add any value to the sales price... or minimal at best. IMO.

S for sure. On the hand, If I bought a Streetfighter today I would get the base and then send the forks to Ohlins and get the forks set up and a TTX shock for $2K.  http://www.ohlinsusa.com/us/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=101:oehlins-hyper-fgk-kit-and-ttx-shock-deal-for-hyper-sportbikes&catid=1:latest-news (http://www.ohlinsusa.com/us/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=101:oehlins-hyper-fgk-kit-and-ttx-shock-deal-for-hyper-sportbikes&catid=1:latest-news)

another vote here for the S [thumbsup]

the only reason im considering an 1100 is the sss and dry clutch, i dont track it, im a dialy rider, i say 1100. i just don't need ohlins suspension. I mean, im coming from a year on a 696. thats all ive ridden.

For what you say you're going to be doing, you don't NEED the S.  Everyone tells you "get the S...get the S" because more than likely they, themselves, bought the S and need to make themselves feel better for boning out the extra casheesh to be the coolest kid on the block with all the bells and whistles.  (No offense, guys.  I did it myself when I got my 07 S4RS.)  Unless you're going to be tracking it, and you said you weren't, the S just gives you bragging rights at the coffee shop along with a continual nagging feeling in your brain that you paid more than you really had to for the bike.  When the time comes for me, I'll think twice before I get an 1100S.

if you're one hell of a rider and push the limits the S would do you some good.  I myself have resisted the S model in my last three Duc purchases because I'm NOT that rider.  The stock suspension did just fine for me.  I personally would go for the sound and power increase but don't limit yourself to Termi only.

right. i've actually considered going 1100, then waiting on boom tubes.