Ducati Monster Forum

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I won't go over all the bits and pieces, but here's the concept for the rebuild.

i'd hit it  [thumbsup]

Not a fan of the 1098 fairing. The other changes look good though.

could the fairing come back a little towards the tank?

About the fairing...


Pull it in back towards the bike and maybe trim it a bit on the backside and the proportions will work better.


I like where you are going with this.  [thumbsup]

DOH!


You just said it!   [laugh]

looking good!

I would likewise pull the front fairing in, and reduce the amount of the fairing trailing behind the headlight both top and bottom.

A superbike front fender might alos be an easy touch

 the bracket to mount it is from an 848 and is the stock distance. moving it back would require a whole new bracket... but is something i've thought about.

the backside would be trimmed once i've figure out how to mount the backside to the frame.

this is just the concept art. once i start mocking some parts up i'll get a better idea about alternatives.

on the way ;) i have a sbk, a stock monster (although cracked) and a DP aluminum to choose from.

I like the exhaust and the sort of titanium case color.  Like others have mentioned, the fairing detracts from the elemental nature of the bike.  I've been following your engine mod thread in the tech section.  It seems to me that if you take lots of pictures you're going to have the makings of a good magazine article when you're done.  You might be able to recover some of your costs that way.  I think there are some authors here who might be able to give the magazine article idea a reality check.  Never published a bloody thing myself, so I don't know much about what I'm talking about.

the case is magnesium.

guess i'll have to defend the fairing a bit. I was very fond of the Supersports so when Ducati killed off the line... well you see where i'm going.

thanks for the article idea. i'll try to keep better notes.

I thought 900CR when i saw the pic
there was also an aftermarket front fairing that was cut higher at the bottom than the CR one....looked even better.

1098 fairing might work if the tank weren't so curvy, but that can't be helped.  maybe find a way to get the fairing less pointy?

not a fan of the all red frame, but that's prolly just me.

like the pipes  [thumbsup]

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Like a monsterized Hailwood. Though, I'd add dual cone exhaust (one for each side)

the plan is for 2 megaphone mufflers tucked under the tail.

i may end up designing a new tank skin with a friend who does CF work.
the all red frame  was one of the main things i wanted to do on this. really really not a fan of the half color frames.

Doh...I thought it was some sort of paint. 

sweet. [thumbsup]

i'm not a fan, either, but that big block of red just doesn't do it for me

Another fairing option may be to ditch the 848/1098 fairing and its angular design, and get a Sharkskinz street upper fairing for the 1000SS, then trim it as needed. The curved design may mesh with the Monster tank better (IMO), and building custom mounts will probably be needed anyway, so no more work there. You could probably source an old SS headlight from ebay for a reasonable price.

Anyway, just a thought.  :)

No need to defend it.  No accounting for some of our individual preferences [roll]   And, as we all know, bikes look a lot different in real three-dimensional life than they do on a computer screen. 

As a start, I really like where you're going.  The whole CR look is great.  You have to have a concept, & as such, that is as good as any. 

Was always fond of the SS/CR series.

right now the pointy lower back end of the SBK fairing is kinda overpowering. it will be curved later once i know where i am going to connect it. the other thought was to add the side fairing and cut them about halfway.. but i really didnt want to cover up anything. i even got rid of the underframe fairing to show more motor.

as far as concept to reality. parts are here for the front. so i'm going to try and make it work, not going to switch to a different series front end at this time.

i wanted to update the old SS/CR style with a more modern headlight and the SBK was a great start. i had looked at the 916 and 999 but IMO the 1098 is very modern and aggressive. the sharp angles work very well in 3-D space. it's hard to tell here because you really can't see how angular the 696 tank is from this sideshot. i also didn't put it in but i'll be probably going with a much taller and different shaped windscreen to take away a bit of the arrowhead look of the front. i'm looking at two, one is 40mm taller and the other is 60mm.

one other thing i wanted to try, and i mentioned it earlier, is to bring the fairing and lights in tight and connect them to the fork, thaen i would eliminate the lower part and they fairing would turn with the forks. two concerns with that. upper fairing mounts are on the frame that pushes the lights out, and the weight. the lights are pretty heavy compared to the monster's and being in front of the fork it could act as a pendulum weight.

totally on the same page!

 [beer]

I don't think you need a partially chopped side fairing. cleanin up the upper bit would look shiny... well, maybe if it angles up to meet that lower curvature of the tank (by the frame), to keep the lines right

I really like the color choice. the Grey and red S4Rt is my all time favorite set-up, well besides my flat Tang of course.
The Red frame, i know you are doing a big build with little detail left out, so i will just suggest that you change the sub-frame to a trellis design rather then the cast. If it is a cost issue, try changing the cast sub-frame to black to enhance the red trellis. i am not a fan of the broken up frame concept either.
If you are going for the supersport CR look, the 999 fairing has a different profile and may help blend better.  I would also like to see the bike with a belly pan if you are going with a CR type fairing. The belly pan should integrate the fairing concept a little better. I have no photochop skillz, as you can see from some of my previous posts, so i can't help mock it up for you.

Nice idea, looks like you have a good direction.

Good luck,
RB

I would like to add to my earlier post and say that I would work hard at making that big cast lump of a swingarm smaller...

You can apply the same thing to the rearsection of the frame... Sand off the cheap cast finish, and use a high gloss finish on the swingarm in black or grey to help make it look smaller. If you redid the shock, and anodised it black, and used a Titanium spring, it would make it look even smaller still.

I think a SBK fender would give it more angularity in te front to match the faring, and would help tie it together.

The wheels really need to be a bit more angular as well... the sweeping rounded spoked dont really work with the sharp lines of the bike stock, even less so when you add the fairing.

Take lots of pics! Keep us updated!

i will be sanding down the sand castings :D for a smooth finish and will be powdercoating (or painting) the swingarm and shock black. the  rear frame will be matched to the front frame.

the wheels will be changed when i decide which to get. but they will be marchesini 5-spoke, carrozzeria or OZ 5-spoke.

i think someone is working on a rear frame so if that ever happens i will check on that. the hard part of the rear frame for me is needing a good welder. i may have found one. i'm going to his shop tomorrow.

This post should make a few people proud of their photoshop skills  ;D

Raux, I'm very enthusiastic about the heavy modding going on [thumbsup]

Allow me to (hopelessly) visualize my views

- trimming the fairing. Lift it a bit. Maybe also add some red around the glass and lights.
- move it closer, if you can.
- Filling out some parts of the swingarm.
- play around with which parts of the rear frame to paint red....

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make the fairing a bit bigger like a SuperHawk, and pull it back a little.

adding more fairing covers more frame, don't want to do that. it's still a monster.

i like the idea of taking that much lower fairing off. once i start test fitting i'll have a better idea how much to remove.

i had looked at 'blacking' out the insets of the rear subframe to make it appear thinner. starting looking fake. the bike is supposed to appear more raw, more natural. it would be like putting air intakes on the hood of a car that are blocked off...

also had thought about the swingarm cutouts. Mark at Motocreations nixed that idea based on structural studies.

i'll probably be adding some red lettering or stripes to the fairing to tie it in more. just haven't made a final decision.
the tank skins are the 80's skins from DP, but the red is not really red, more an orange red. so the frame and the stripes won't match right now. that's why the red lettering at this point.

I think I liked the fairing the way you originally had it. The way it was sat matched with the angles of the tank, cool modern SS half fairing.  [thumbsup]

Raux Love it  [thumbsup]  That is to say that I love everything you've done there....with the exception of the fairing... but then I have a thing abount nakedness....  Color scheme is absoutley fabulous and the red subframe looks way better that I ever imagined it would..... black rear shock is a nice touch too...  8)

The best part about this project is that an equal amount of attention is being paid to engine mods.  This is gonna be one helluva  machine.   [thumbsup]

i spent the afternoon with a shop owner... couple of things are coming out of the conversation...
maybe not going up to 803cc, and maybe a few surprise custom parts coming out of it!

I think the fairing is good where it is, but I'd trim that bottom spike, to keep more of the frame exposed, but not so much that the forks are exposed. keep the rearward extension of the top and bottom arms about equal or at and angle that matches the end of the top....get me?

or you could seriously chop the bottom so it it's relation to the top is similar to some other line on the bike

shorten it and shave the bottom edge to mirror the top line of the tank.

or shorten it and shave the top of the bottom arm to match the bottom line of the tank.

Have you looked a a smaller fairing? More like the Triumph cafe unit with the round single headlight? That may be too close to stock for what you're planning.
For me, it looks too buellish with the short fairing angled the way it is. I'm sure when it's finished it will be cool whatever you decide.  [beer]

Do you have a plan B?

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 ;D

plan b? as in if it doesn't work? no, it will work. but i do have additional items to add to the concept.

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I like that attitude.

I think it looks great. You've got some great ideas. I don't like the side of the front fairing as it is in the concept drawing but I know it's early.
 [beer]

Love the all red frame, powder coat the spring red also.

Concept looks great

 Looks good, Is the color going to be titanium like the 07' s4r? That is my new favorite color combo.
 Post up some "work in progress pics".

Cool looking concept, I like it a lot.  Others have mentioned the red cast subframe section being overpowering, Have you considered using different finishes for the reds to maybe make everything stand out?  With the high gloss of the trellis front it might break up the block effect if you used a matte finish for the subframe, you could also do other smaller red detail items with contrasting finishes.

I like the red valves covers but I wonder how it would look if you did another contrasting color for the side cover, maybe in magnesium or black? I'd like to see what it would look like with a smaller and more open sprocket cover.  The last thing I notice is actually the shock body itself, it's really bright, I haven't seen this done but I think it might lighten up the look of the back to not only black out the spring but the body as well.

Like I said, cool concept ;D.

i have a set of the 80's tank skins from DP. not sure if they match that color.

I might have a fix for the overpowering part.

unfortunately they don't make magnesium valve covers for the 696 or i would use those. but since i can't use those, i'm sticking with the testarossa.

not sure i can take apart a shock and anodize it.

+1

Not sure about the fairing.  I've always wondered what a Streetfighter headlamp assembly would look like on the newer Monsters.  Everything else I give a big  [thumbsup]

thanks for all the feedback.

i like it  [thumbsup]

mitt

Love the back part of the frame painted red, should be like that from the factory