I gave up.... I dont think I'm ever gonna get the sprocket carrier nut off my M1100 without the aid of a rattle gun. I huffed and I puffed and I sweated and I swore... but theres no way I could get that nut loose - even using a 3' breaker bar ???[bang] ???
Quote from: ungeheuer on November 04, 2009, 01:48:49 AM
I gave up.... I dont think I'm ever gonna get the sprocket carrier nut off my M1100 without the aid of a rattle gun. I huffed and I puffed and I sweated and I swore... but theres no way I could get that nut loose - even using a 3' breaker bar ???[bang] ???
that sounds about right. ;D
you can try to apply heat via propane if you dont have a rattle gun. just dont aim it at your chian.
Quote from: ungeheuer on November 04, 2009, 01:48:49 AM
I gave up.... I dont think I'm ever gonna get the sprocket carrier nut off my M1100 without the aid of a rattle gun. I huffed and I puffed and I sweated and I swore... but theres no way I could get that nut loose - even using a 3' breaker bar ???[bang] ???
tried spraying some wd-40 or brake fluid on to see if it loosens up? This works... [thumbsup]
do you have a hand/manual impact? Those nuts are on there with 156nm, IIRC. Heat should help, try some WD40/PB-Blaster/Liquid Wrench, but i have found that a good 'snap' of force to the breaker bar or socket/wrench helps break the stuck nut loose.
With a breaker bar, apply pressure to the nut to the point that the breaker bar stops flexing, then, a good old fashion heave to 'surprise' the nut with real brutish man-power.
this doesn't always work, but i have had success. This is similar to how an impact wrench works.
good luck,
RB
Find a 6' pipe and put it on the breaker bar.
In this instance, don't "surprise" the nut, as you may destroy the breaker bar ;D
If you continually add more and more force the nut will start to loosen.
cutting torch
Quote from: grandpa nate on November 04, 2009, 04:59:10 AM
cutting torch
have a spare shaft ready [thumbsup] then go nuts
Quote from: Monsterlover on November 04, 2009, 03:33:18 AM
Find a 6' pipe and put it on the breaker bar.
In this instance, don't "surprise" the nut, as you may destroy the breaker bar ;D
If you continually add more and more force the nut will start to loosen.
haha...i should tell you about the time i used a 6' breaker on the end of a 1/2" drive craftsman.....i never found all the parts when it detonated.
Oh....wear eye protection!
Quote from: RB on November 04, 2009, 10:20:04 AM
haha...i should tell you about the time i used a 6' breaker on the end of a 1/2" drive craftsman.....i never found all the parts when it detonated.
Oh....wear eye protection!
did craftsman replace it after it blew up?
I broke my breaker bar in this fashion.
As I am too lazy to take the thing back to Sears, I just TIG welded the drive nub back on the yoke ;D
Still works to this day :D
go buy yourself an impact wrench, no self respecting gearhead goes without one...
or two or three ;D
yeah, I have 2, and an air ratchet...
Quote from: RB on November 04, 2009, 02:49:37 AM
With a breaker bar, apply pressure to the nut to the point that the breaker bar stops flexing, then, a good old fashion heave to 'surprise' the nut with real brutish man-power.
I can imagine this is the most satisfying method when it works, being that you both outsmart it and overpower it at the same time [laugh]
I used a 6' pipe on a breaker bar to remove the rusted rear axle nuts on an old VW bug. It flexed, groaned, and then finally let go. No damage to anything but it was a pretty scary process.
Scott
Harbor Freight has an electric impact wrench for $39. It produces 240 ft-lbs of torque. Very good investment for those tight nuts but much less spectacular than a 6' cheater bar on an exploding ratchet wrench.
Quote from: papasmurf on November 04, 2009, 05:43:59 PM
Harbor Freight has an electric impact wrench for $39. It produces 240 ft-lbs of torque. Very good investment for those tight nuts but much less spectacular than a 6' cheater bar on an exploding ratchet wrench.
I'm liking this suggestion most ;D Just have to find me a similar gizmo locally...
Quote from: ungeheuer on November 04, 2009, 08:11:50 PM
I'm liking this suggestion most ;D Just have to find me a similar gizmo locally...
Somewhere I read not so good reviews about HF tools... Get a quality one if you often wrench you Duc yourself... Makita, Black & Decker, DeWalt, SnapOn, Chicago Pneumatic, Ingersoll Rand... There're a lot of good quality tools out there.
Did you try what I recommended? If not, do it, just let it sit overnight, but really, spray a lot...
Quote from: M620D on November 05, 2009, 03:09:23 AM
Somewhere I read not so good reviews about HF tools... Get a quality one if you often wrench you Duc yourself... Makita, Black & Decker, DeWalt, SnapOn, Chicago Pneumatic, Ingersoll Rand... There're a lot of good quality tools out there.
Did you try what I recommended? If not, do it, just let it sit overnight, but really, spray a lot...
he's in australia, don't know what they have there but I'm sure that harbor freight doesn't have a presence. Agreed on the quality of their tools although I just purchased a motorcycle stand from them that works quite well.
Agreed, Harbor Freight tools are not professional quality. However, they are fine for use by an individual on an occasional basis. I have the impact wrench, a heat gun and several hand tools from HF and they work just fine for my needs.
If I needed a tool to use everyday and had to make my living with it, I would not buy HF. But the other brands you mentioned are very pricey for the occasional mechanic and I haven't figured out how to write them off on my taxes yet. ;D
Just attach the breaker bar with zip ties, put it in gear, and drive it loose. Wear your boots. :P
Quote from: MrIncredible on November 05, 2009, 07:29:19 AM
Just attach the breaker bar with zip ties, put it in gear, and drive it loose. Wear your boots. :P
Isn't this movement going to tighten it more? or is it a counter thread?
Quote from: ungeheuer on November 04, 2009, 01:48:49 AM
I gave up.... I dont think I'm ever gonna get the sprocket carrier nut off my M1100 without the aid of a rattle gun. I huffed and I puffed and I sweated and I swore... but theres no way I could get that nut loose - even using a 3' breaker bar ???[bang] ???
ummmm.... are you sure your turning it the right way?
Quote from: hadesducati848 on November 05, 2009, 07:37:46 AM
ummmm.... are you sure your turning it the right way?
Because from what I remember, it loosen to the left and tightento the right? or was this on a FS600 BMW?....OK, mind playing tricks on me now...
Need beer...
Should be easy to follow the threads off the shaft to determine if it's lefty-loosey.
I usually hold a ratchet in the same orientation as the nut I'm working because, well, sometimes I need to.
i use the bar from my floor jack for the ultimate cheater bar.
It's a right-hand thread.
In other words, lefty-loosey.
[threadjack]
All this talk of exploding ratchets, and no one has video?!?!?! [bang]
[/threadjack]
ungehuer,
just get a cold foster's out the fridge, look at the nut with menacing eyes while putting some steak on the bbq and after the Foster's and steak, ok, baked potatoe on the side with all the trimmings, go back to the nut and beat it!!!
Weekend is around the corner and you can do it!!!
Quote from: M620D on November 05, 2009, 01:54:49 PM
ungehuer,
just get a cold foster's out the fridge, look at the nut with menacing eyes while putting some steak on the bbq and after the Foster's and steak, ok, baked potatoe on the side with all the trimmings, go back to the nut and beat it!!!
Weekend is around the corner and you can do it!!!
Fosters? [puke] We only sell that piss-water to gullible tourists ;) And I got better than manacing eyes, went to Bunnings Whorehouse and bought me a 320Nm Ozito nut-unloosening mean bastard of an impact wrench. When I walk in the garage with that thing in my hand the nut will cack its dax, surrender and spin
itself off.
Once again you blokes have been a great help with your tips and advice.... especially this little pearler >>
Quote from: MrIncredible on November 05, 2009, 07:29:19 AM
Just attach the breaker bar with zip ties, put it in gear, and drive it loose. Wear your boots. :P
Thanks guys [thumbsup]
Quote from: ungeheuer on November 05, 2009, 07:18:11 PM
Fosters? [puke] We only sell that piss-water to gullible tourists ;) And I got better than manacing eyes, went to Bunnings Whorehouse and bought me a 320Nm Ozito nut-unloosening mean bastard of an impact wrench. When I walk in the garage with that thing in my hand the nut will cack its dacs, surrender and spin itself off.
Once again you blokes have been a great help with your tips and advice.... especially this little pearler >>Thanks guys [thumbsup]
damn, you aussies sure have a way with the queens english... [laugh]
Quote from: papasmurf on November 04, 2009, 05:43:59 PM
Harbor Freight has an electric impact wrench for $39. It produces 240 ft-lbs of torque. Very good investment for those tight nuts but much less spectacular than a 6' cheater bar on an exploding ratchet wrench.
Not quite sure how they rate those things. Not even my 3/4 in drive air impact will tighten a nut to 240 ft/lb, and its rated at 6 or 700 ft/lb.
Quote from: ungeheuer on November 05, 2009, 07:18:11 PM
:SNIP: When I walk in the garage with that thing in my hand the nut will cack its dax, surrender and spin itself off.
:SNIP:
Ok... WITF does that mean?!?!?! I spent 3 1/2 years in England, with similar phrases, but NEVER EVER heard that. Must be an OZ exclusive.
Quote from: ungeheuer on November 05, 2009, 07:18:11 PMWhen I walk in the garage with that thing in my hand the nut will cack its dax, surrender and spin itself off.
Not much to add to this except this sounds incredibly painful and unpleasant.
Milwaukee 9070 is a good electric torque impact wrench if you don't want to invest in or don't have the room for the pneumatics.
/edited for brain farts.
Quote from: ungeheuer on November 05, 2009, 07:18:11 PM
Fosters? [puke] We only sell that piss-water to gullible tourists ;) And I got better than manacing eyes, went to Bunnings Whorehouse and bought me a 320Nm Ozito nut-unloosening mean bastard of an impact wrench. When I walk in the garage with that thing in my hand the nut will cack its dax, surrender and spin itself off.
Once again you blokes have been a great help with your tips and advice.... especially this little pearler >>Thanks guys [thumbsup]
Ok, when you're done, take a bottle of Black Swan's and some game meat, don't forget the sides.
Ok, I'll admit, I forgot the name of the other OZ beer I've drinken'; I'm more of a German/Belgian beer type of guy. But love to BBQ...
Any ways, [drink] [bacon]
I ended up going the heat route with a small propane torch. Playing with fire is always fun. ;D
Quote from: erkishhorde on November 06, 2009, 02:53:51 PM
I ended up going the heat route with a small propane torch. Playing with fire is always fun. ;D
But you need the beer for any emergencies...
Quote from: ungeheuer on November 05, 2009, 07:18:11 PM
Fosters? [puke] We only sell that piss-water to gullible tourists ;)
And I'm not that gullible, I only drank VB and Cascade...
They generally have a much higher torque rating in the off direction (CCW)
Cack its dax??? [laugh] I wish you bloody Seppos could speak English. ;)
Cack its dax = Shit in its pants. [laugh]