Title: Lowering reservoirs/replacing them? Post by: djrashonal on November 06, 2009, 10:59:11 PM So my brake reservoir sits super high up and if I lower it, I dont think it will function correctly. I have big round ones and with my clip-ons and head light, it looks weird. Any solutions? smaller ones? coffins? thoughts?
Title: Re: Lowering reservoirs/replacing them? Post by: ducducgooseme on November 07, 2009, 03:33:27 AM Rizoma makes some new hanger brackets for theirs....looks pretty killer I think [thumbsup]
Title: Re: Lowering reservoirs/replacing them? Post by: DucHead on November 07, 2009, 06:37:17 AM There are a couple of threads on this topic. :)
Title: Re: Lowering reservoirs/replacing them? Post by: djrashonal on November 07, 2009, 08:42:22 AM There are a couple of threads on this topic. :) i searched but didnt find one....direct link? i may not be good with this interweb yet [bang] Title: Re: Lowering reservoirs/replacing them? Post by: DucHead on November 07, 2009, 11:18:13 AM i searched but didnt find one....direct link? i may not be good with this interweb yet [bang] Here's a few: http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=8099.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=8099.0) http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=14799.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=14799.0) http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=27829.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=27829.0) http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=30622.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=30622.0) Title: Re: Lowering reservoirs/replacing them? Post by: djrashonal on November 07, 2009, 12:29:40 PM Sweet, thanks! anybody try using smaller reservoirs?
Title: Re: Lowering reservoirs/replacing them? Post by: junior varsity on November 07, 2009, 03:09:18 PM I use two rizoma reservoirs that are the same size (medium) so it is symmetrical. If you google "Bimota Single Reservoir" you'll an example using a t-junction to come from one larger reservoir to work both your hydraulic masters. Kind of a neat alternative.
Title: Re: Lowering reservoirs/replacing them? Post by: djrashonal on November 07, 2009, 03:23:04 PM that sounds pretty interesting, i just saw it online.....do you think the reservoir gets in the way of the gauges at all?
Title: Re: Lowering reservoirs/replacing them? Post by: junior varsity on November 07, 2009, 03:42:49 PM It doesn't have to be mounted in front of your gauges at all, just put it on one side and run the house down in front of gauges by the bolts. IF you wanted to do it.
Title: Re: Lowering reservoirs/replacing them? Post by: djrashonal on November 07, 2009, 04:00:18 PM i think it would be cool, but i like the symmetry of one on each side.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3507/4084736000_e28110ec9a_o.jpg) presently the reservoir on the clutch side is waaay smaller than the brake side (rear brake reservoir I believe ??) is there a was I can just get a smaller version of that? would there be any foreseeable drawbacks to making that smaller? Title: Re: Lowering reservoirs/replacing them? Post by: junior varsity on November 07, 2009, 04:50:25 PM I made the brake size the same as the clutch size (both the midsize, bottom outflow rizoma reservoirs). No issus. you don't want to go too small if you have dual front calipers.
Title: Re: Lowering reservoirs/replacing them? Post by: djrashonal on November 07, 2009, 05:12:36 PM I was thinkin the midsized ones. overall, I want them to be tucked down like in this pic
(http://www.marcholstein.com/pics/tunergp06/image/img_5924.jpg) i believe this is Chris' bike from Desmoworld....the question is, how Title: Re: Lowering reservoirs/replacing them? Post by: MOUSEMAN on November 07, 2009, 05:17:04 PM I think the guys at Indy Ducati are making the ones you are looking for. I saw the prototype and they are sweet. Low, tucked in, and tight!
Title: Re: Lowering reservoirs/replacing them? Post by: djrashonal on November 07, 2009, 05:21:30 PM awesome! got any contact info? or should i just call the parts department on monday?
Title: Re: Lowering reservoirs/replacing them? Post by: Monstermash on November 07, 2009, 05:39:29 PM I kinda like the reservoirs that come on the 999 master cylinders. I had these on my Y2K M900 as well as my 996.
(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff176/MonstermashS2R/996/cockpit.jpg) Title: Re: Lowering reservoirs/replacing them? Post by: junior varsity on November 07, 2009, 06:06:43 PM I'm not really sure what I think about reservoirs THAT low. (not the 999 style coffins).
You have to have it so there's no air bubble chance - the low point is the master, the high point being the top of the reservoir surface. Title: Re: Lowering reservoirs/replacing them? Post by: djrashonal on November 07, 2009, 06:22:30 PM Wow Mash, I really like those! A lot better than those big ole mason jars i've got! are they only compatible with 999 MC's? I've got gsxr MCs....
Title: Re: Lowering reservoirs/replacing them? Post by: djrashonal on November 07, 2009, 06:23:09 PM I'm not really sure what I think about reservoirs THAT low. (not the 999 style coffins). You have to have it so there's no air bubble chance - the low point is the master, the high point being the top of the reservoir surface. i hear what you're sayin! Title: Re: Lowering reservoirs/replacing them? Post by: junior varsity on November 07, 2009, 06:29:19 PM The 999 reservoirs are fine because the reservoir is mounted smack on top of the master, no height issues at all.
Title: Re: Lowering reservoirs/replacing them? Post by: djrashonal on November 07, 2009, 06:44:05 PM The 999 reservoirs are fine because the reservoir is mounted smack on top of the master, no height issues at all. sweet, so if i procure a set of 999 reservoirs i can just plunk them down on my Nism MC's, correct? While I'm at it, would there be a benefit to replacing the tubing with clear? Anyone know if the reservoirs can be painted? sorry for all the questions, I'm just a noob when it comes to italian fluids Title: Re: Lowering reservoirs/replacing them? Post by: kopfjäger on November 07, 2009, 06:54:50 PM (http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/feral005.jpg)
Title: Re: Lowering reservoirs/replacing them? Post by: djrashonal on November 07, 2009, 06:56:32 PM (http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/feral005.jpg) That is soooo hot! Yours? I love those forks too! Any issue with air bubbles with those reservoirs being so low? Title: Re: Lowering reservoirs/replacing them? Post by: kopfjäger on November 07, 2009, 06:59:13 PM That is soooo hot! Yours? I love those forks too! Any issue with air bubbles with those reservoirs being so low? No issues. Title: Re: Lowering reservoirs/replacing them? Post by: junior varsity on November 07, 2009, 08:24:41 PM his meet the height I was talking about before. If you mount them "below" the master, that's where you'd have problems.
kopfjager is running the same master cylinder / reservoir set up that I am, but with a different mount location. I don't think the 999 reservoirs will mount to anything but 999 masters. Title: Re: Lowering reservoirs/replacing them? Post by: Monstermash on November 11, 2009, 09:21:21 AM I don't think the 999 reservoirs will mount to anything but 999 masters. Thats is correct. Well almost correct. They could be made to fit any of the radial masters that come on the Ducatis. But why bother as the 999 masters are listed for sale on Ebay a lot and are not very expensive. Title: Re: Lowering reservoirs/replacing them? Post by: djrashonal on November 11, 2009, 11:40:10 AM Alright, So I'm looking into swaping out to 999 MC's. I saw some on ebay for about 200, is that what I'm looking at spending per side?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ducati-749-999-Radial-Front-Brake-Master-Cylinder-Res_W0QQitemZ280383741523QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotorcycles_Parts_Accessories?hash=item41482c5e53 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ducati-749-999-Radial-Front-Brake-Master-Cylinder-Res_W0QQitemZ280383741523QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotorcycles_Parts_Accessories?hash=item41482c5e53) are they normally cheaper or more expensive? would that include what I need to make the swap? If I'm gonna do the swap, should I also change out the rear? TIA for the Help Title: Re: Lowering reservoirs/replacing them? Post by: Ducatl on November 11, 2009, 12:24:02 PM Seems about right, They aren't all that cheap...Although cheaper than buying new stuff. ISR and Beringer both make radials with integrated masters that are really nice but pricey.
If you decide on smaller reservoirs you can buy 15cc brembo stockers for pretty much nothing, this is the same size as the rear brake. For clear tubing you want to use tygon, in my experience clear tubing is fun and pretty but it seems to collapse easier if you're trying to give it a tightish radius...totally usable but just something to think about. Title: Re: Lowering reservoirs/replacing them? Post by: djrashonal on November 11, 2009, 12:47:52 PM Wow! Great advice/FHE! I Think im gonna go with the 15cc cup first.
http://www.desmoworks.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&manufacturers_id=5&products_id=38 (http://www.desmoworks.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&manufacturers_id=5&products_id=38) http://www.yoyodyneti.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=10.4446.50 (http://www.yoyodyneti.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=10.4446.50) any pro/con to getting the 45 vs the straight fitting? Title: Re: Lowering reservoirs/replacing them? Post by: Ducatl on November 11, 2009, 01:24:16 PM Depends on the orientation of the inlet on your master/distance/height/angle etc.
Title: Re: Lowering reservoirs/replacing them? Post by: djrashonal on November 11, 2009, 02:16:27 PM this is my current set up: http://gallery.me.com/afakhori#100252 (http://gallery.me.com/afakhori#100252)
there is a nipple at the top, not sure if i can pull that out and install the straight reservoir...thoughts? Title: Re: Lowering reservoirs/replacing them? Post by: junior varsity on November 11, 2009, 03:12:07 PM you gots nice forks
Title: Re: Lowering reservoirs/replacing them? Post by: Ducatl on November 11, 2009, 04:34:50 PM Full gsxr swap?
You can disassemble the nipple on Nissin masters. Carefully pull the rubber plug around the nipple back and remove the snap ring inside, you should now be able to swivel the nipple in any direction you want. If you want to really lower the res. then you're probably gonna need to fab up a new mount. From the looks of it I'd suggest a 45, I have a 90 mounted like this (http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff217/ducatl/CIMG0026.jpg?t=1257993539) It too quite a bit of fiddling to get it into a position where the Tygon didn't want to collapse, a 45 would have eased the transition a bit. Title: Re: Lowering reservoirs/replacing them? Post by: djrashonal on November 11, 2009, 05:34:39 PM Title: Re: Lowering reservoirs/replacing them? Post by: djrashonal on November 11, 2009, 05:36:33 PM Full gsxr swap? Nice set up! I'll order the 45 and keep you guys posted of the mountingYou can disassemble the nipple on Nissin masters. Carefully pull the rubber plug around the nipple back and remove the snap ring inside, you should now be able to swivel the nipple in any direction you want. If you want to really lower the res. then you're probably gonna need to fab up a new mount. From the looks of it I'd suggest a 45, I have a 90 mounted like this It too quite a bit of fiddling to get it into a position where the Tygon didn't want to collapse, a 45 would have eased the transition a bit. Title: Re: Lowering reservoirs/replacing them? Post by: Juan on November 11, 2009, 06:29:44 PM I have the regular cc for the Monster, all I did with my set was to place the brackets on the same place as the directionals.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3395/3486951704_6d5cd0eddc.jpg) (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3567/4016397923_c1b90dc325.jpg) Title: Re: Lowering reservoirs/replacing them? Post by: ProTeal55 on November 12, 2009, 03:20:45 PM Looks good..
This is def. something I need to do to my scoot before next riding season.. Title: Re: Lowering reservoirs/replacing them? Post by: 748s on November 14, 2009, 09:59:02 PM Another forum..........stock reservoirs tucked out of the way.......down near headlight.
http://www.ducati.ms/forums/showthread.php?p=636896#post636896 (http://www.ducati.ms/forums/showthread.php?p=636896#post636896) warning........site of the interweb overlords. Title: Re: Lowering reservoirs/replacing them? Post by: Jarvicious on November 19, 2009, 11:17:58 AM Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that bike on the .ms forum asking for trouble with his reserviors that low? I'd think it would be air bubble city unless the thing was full to the brim, and then what's the point of the reservioirs anyway?
Title: Re: Lowering reservoirs/replacing them? Post by: djrashonal on November 19, 2009, 11:19:51 AM Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that bike on the .ms forum asking for trouble with his reserviors that low? I'd think it would be air bubble city unless the thing was full to the brim, and then what's the point of the reservioirs anyway? i agree, it looks troublesome, especially because if it's full to the brim there would be nowhere for the excess fluid to go. Looks pretty bad ass though Title: Re: Lowering reservoirs/replacing them? Post by: junior varsity on November 19, 2009, 12:01:41 PM Horrible idea. Sure you could make sure its bubble free by undoing the reservoir, moving it above the master, massaging the tube to free any air bubbles, fill, and then replace, but then you've just got to keep hoping that gravity doesn't pull the fluid down enough to create enough of a vaccuum to pull the air in, wherein you'd introduce air into the system. No good. One big bump and the fluid runs out of the line into the reservoir, replaced by air.
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