This amused me no end.
http://news.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/20091112danvers_high_school_says_students_cant_say_meep/srvc=home&position=recent (http://news.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/20091112danvers_high_school_says_students_cant_say_meep/srvc=home&position=recent)
First section:
Danvers High School says students can't say 'meep'
By Laura Crimaldi
Thursday, November 12, 2009
Danvers High School is banning students from uttering the word “meep,†a trademark of Beaker from “The Muppet Show.â€
The Salem News reported Principal Thomas Murray banned the word after school officials got wind of a student plan brewing on Facebook to stage a major disruption on school grounds using the “meep.â€
WBZ-TV reported Murray informed students in an e-mail and phone message that police are monitoring the situation.
A call to police and a message and e-mail sent to Murray were not immediately returned.
The Urban Dictionary defines meep as another way to say “ouch,â€or “uh-oh.†It can also be a substitute for a swear word.
Second section:
http://theodoramichaels.com/articles/meep.php (http://theodoramichaels.com/articles/meep.php)
An open letter to Principal Murray of Danvers High School (MA):
Meep.
Sincerely,
Theodora Michaels
Perhaps by now you've read some of the articles (and associated entertaining comments, such as those at Fark) about how Principal Murray has tried to ban his students from saying meep.
It's been a long time since I was in high school, but I still remember what it was like to be young, and chafing under what seemed like arbitrary and capricious rules set down by school authorities.
So in solidarity with the students of Danvers High, and on my own initiative, I took about five seconds and sent an email to Principal Thomas Murray ( murray@danvers.org ), Assistant Principal Mark Strout ( strout@danvers.org ), Assistant Principal Cornelia Varoudakis ( cvaroudakis@danvers.org ), and Superintendent of Schools Dr. Lisa Dana ( dana@danvers.org ). All of these addresses are publicly available on the Danvers High School website.
My subject line said (in full), "meep." The body said (in full), "Meep."
Yesterday I received a reply email from Assistant Principal Mark Strout, which said (in full) "Your E-mail has been forwarded to the Danvers Police Department."
LOLwut? That simultaneously annoyed and amused me enough to write this article. (Plus, my train was late.)
First, apparently this school doesn't know how email works. If they don't like getting emails that say "meep" -- and I'm assuming they got others before they got mine -- it should be a simple matter for the school's IT person to set their email program to filter all external emails that say meep and send them straight into the trash. Then there'd be no need to even look at them, let alone reply to or forward them.
Second, apparently they don't know how the law works. I haven't researched Massachusetts law, but I'm assuming there's no law that would prevent me from sending a single, non-commercial email, containing a single nonsense "word" (but impliedly relating to their work as school officials) to adults at their publicly-posted work emails. And if there were such a law, it would not survive a constitutional challenge. So I don't understand the point of Mr. Strout's email, unless he's hoping to scare me into -- what, not emailing "meep" ever again? Or more generally not criticizing his performance as a school official?
Gee, I'm scared -- maybe the Danvers police will come to NYC to arrest me! I guess they'll also try to extradite people who (I'm guessing) sent emails from other countries. We can be charged with . . . what, first degree meeping? Yeah, good luck with that.
Third, and most important, Messrs. Murray and Strout don't understand human nature. People -- especially teenagers -- don't like following pointless rules. To the point where they'll go out of their way to rebel against them (and I took five seconds out of my busy day), even if said rebellion itself is rather pointless. I get nothing out of saying meep. But I will vigorously defend my -- and others' -- right to say it.
To be clear, I'm not advocating rule-breaking in general; usually it's a bad idea. Certainly there are many rules laid down by adults which might seem pointless to young people, but which are actually sensible and important, and based on the adults' greater knowledge and experience. Likewise there are many laws and ordinances which might seem pointless to the average adult, but which are based on careful study and consideration by, say, experts in fire safety. We should follow those rules whether or not we fully understand their purpose. And of course there are inevitably some laws, ordinances and rules about which intelligent and reasonable people might disagree on whether they are necessary and important, or arbitrary and capricious.
This is not one of those times. Only a complete idiot would try to make and enforce (to teenagers, yet!) a rule that says "You're not allowed to say meep." And email a stranger in another state (an attorney, yet!) that there's (impliedly) something illegal about sending an email that says "meep."
And finally, Messrs. Murray and Strout don't understand how the internet works. Attempts to silence information -- or even nonsense -- are consistently met with a proliferation of that very information (or nonsense) beyond anyone's wildest dreams. Anyone who tries to stop people's honest criticism of their conduct -- especially if they show that they're highly sensitive to criticism (Going to the police? Seriously?) -- is likely to be the target of further criticism. Their overreaction becomes a source of lulz.
So to sum up, Principal Murray and Assistant Principal Strout have provided an astonishingly stereotypical example of cluelessness.
In conclusion, meep.
Ni
Good on [thumbsup] but apparently, she doesn't practice constitutional law. I could have sworn there was something in there about this. Free talking. Free speak. Free speaking, something like that.
Anyone know Principal Murray's email [evil]
Already sent...
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Quote from: herm (not herb) on November 13, 2009, 06:39:45 PM
share the goodness evil. [evil]
It's in the OP. [roll]
But just in case you missed it:
Principal Thomas Murray ( murray@danvers.org )
Sent ;D
Sent today:
"Thank you Mr. Murray"
Thanks to you my cats name is rapidly becoming a household word.
,MEEP
Quote from: il d00d on November 13, 2009, 06:28:31 PM
Good on [thumbsup] but apparently, she doesn't practice constitutional law. I could have sworn there was something in there about this. Free talking. Free speak. Free speaking, something like that.
Actually, the constitution says the US Congress can't pass laws impeding freedom of speech, which hasn't happened here. It leaves a lot of wiggle room for schools to make dumb-ass rules about speech on their campuses. There might be something in the Mass. constitution about speech, but I wouldn't expect a New York entertainment lawyer to be very interested in that because that's not really the point.
As a non-lawyer, it seems to me that free speech isn't the central point of the blog posting. Stupidity is. Banning a word in a high school is going to make it the most popular word of all time at that school. Forwarding an email consisting of one made-up word to the local cops, or threatening to, may be the dumbest threat ever.
No need to go all constitution-y when what's really needed is good anti-idiocy work.
I just like to think about the sort of idiot who doesn't realize what this will do.
I mean shit-the first thing Howie does is send the dipshit a "meep" email. How can these people not know what's going to happen?
Quote from: mstevens on November 13, 2009, 08:11:38 PM
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No need to go all constitution-y when what's really needed is good anti-idiocy work.
They'll just build a better idiot...
and in the immortal words of Ron White.
"you can't fix stupid"
Quote from: ducpainter on November 13, 2009, 10:26:29 PM
They'll just build a better idiot...
and in the immortal words of Ron White.
"you can't fix stupid"
You can't fix it, but that doesn't mean you have to give it an advanced degree and put it in charge of education. These people are idiots.
Quote from: Dan on November 14, 2009, 01:02:53 AM
You can't fix it, but that doesn't mean you have to give it an advanced degree and put it in charge of education. These people are idiots.
[laugh]............................... ;D.......................... [roll]................................. ???......................... :P............. :-[.................... :'(.......................... [bang]
What chance do these children have when these people are setting their educational foundation?
Meep sent. [evil]
Quote from: Dan on November 14, 2009, 01:02:53 AM
You can't fix it, but that doesn't mean you have to give it an advanced degree and put it in charge of education. These people are idiots.
It all part of the scheme to build a better idiot. ;)
Quote from: ducpainter on November 14, 2009, 03:23:17 AM
It all part of the scheme to build a better idiot. ;)
They seem to be succeeding.
MeeP is a great name for a cat [thumbsup]
wow.
FYI there is a charge on the books (at least in NC) for using a electronic device to harass someone. the statue is unclear if just 1 time meets the elements. When I spoke to a DA about the charge they told me to charge it and see what happens. HOWEVER I cannot see any department having that much time on their hands to woory about a "meep." that is funny as hell!!!
Quote from: mstevens on November 13, 2009, 08:11:38 PM
No need to go all constitution-y when what's really needed is good anti-idiocy work.
Hah... Did you get "bring on the lawyers" from that? Let me try again
Quote from: il d00d on November 13, 2009, 06:28:31 PM
Good on [for her] [thumbsup] Please do not use emoticons but apparently, she doesn't practice constitutional law. I could have sworn there was something in there about this. Free talking. Free speak. Free speaking, something like that. Clarify
F- :(
Draft v1.1
Good for her. I applaud all efforts to combat stupidity with smart assery. I do find it strange that an article written by a lawyer dealing with language being banned doesn't mention -in addition to highlighting how stupid the treatment of the problem was- that the ban was not strictly legal to begin with.
I am pretty sure the scope of the first amendment extends beyond what laws congress passes- the ACLU sues people for it all the time (http://www.aclu.org/lgbt-rights_hiv-aids/arizona-school-agrees-lift-rainbow-ban-following-aclu-demand-letter). Dunno. I am not a lawyer either.
In conclusion, meep.
Quote from: The Architect on November 14, 2009, 01:23:56 AM
[laugh]............................... ;D.......................... [roll]................................. ???......................... :P............. :-[.................... :'(.......................... [bang]
Look, it's the seven stages of dealing with stupidity (OK, eight. Encountering stupidity's even more complicated than grief.)
Quote from: triangleforge on November 16, 2009, 10:52:38 AM
...Encountering stupidity's even more complicated than grief.
just harden your heart and run them over.
its more humane than just clipping them (and much safer than getting in a wreck trying to avoid them) :P