Mines already logged as one of those.
I had been awake for 30 minutes, just enough time to dress, cram some cereal and get started to walk the dog. We're walking through my complex area which is a mix of little town houses and small garden type apartments. We are coming through one of the court yard when I hear the tick-tick-tcik and jingle of a dog rapidly descending some stairs.
Two medium dogs appear, with no leash or person in evidence. I'd seen them before when walking by on other occasions. Seems their owner is just too lazy to take them for a walk, and lets them run out side. When I'd seen it before, they had run out, TCB and run back up the stairs. But on this previous occasion, I was 30-40 feet away. This morning we were basically at the landing of the stair to their place when she let them out.
One of the dogs simply did it's biz and ran back up. The other decided it needed to investigate us.
There was a bit of sniffing all seemed to go well - I signaled my dog that it was time to go. He started to turn away, and the other dog jumps him.
I've got his leash in one hand trying to draw him off, while attempting to deflect the attacker. That lasted about no time as the attacker just spun to a different angle, which happened to be a prime one for me to give it a swift kick. Not happy about having to kick that dog, but I really didn't have many options. Mercifully, that got the point across and the aggressor reconsidered.
Finally, a few seconds after the squabble is over the owner lady appears... and doesn't even say anything to me until a not so subtle hint of,
'So are you going to apologize or make the beast with two backsing say sorry?' - I really just wanted to smack her stupid head....
At that point I was offered a rather lame apology, and decided to move off since her dog still wasn't under control, and I don't trust her to be smart enough to carry on breathing at this moment... Part of me would loved to give her a dressing down in the courtyard - but doggy came first. I checked him over and he doesn't seems to have suffered for it - though he'll get a 2nd look over this evening as well.
If you've got a dog, take care of it... Don't be lazy a let it run out of your apartment for 15 seconds a day. And when you *know* there's tons of otehr dogs that live in the area, don't be so damn stupid as to let yours run out totally un supervised.
Lazy and stupid pisses me off
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Hopefully, your pup's okay.
Sounds like you need to write a cordial letter of compliant to your landlord/condo board to inform them of this tenants lack of responsiblitily for her dogs.
Her behavior (loose dogs) is a major liability to them.
He seems fine - he's tough, but getting older and was disadvantage since I had him on a short lead. So I'll be giving him another solid going over later.
Well, I'm not of a mind to get the association involved. There's a grey area that a number of us owners operate under - since our dogs are social, mannered and observed, where we'll have a bit of play time in one of the larger courtyards. I'd hate to bring ruin upon a good thing for the dogs and the peoples, just because of one lazy idiot. I'd rather not let one bad apple spoil it, yah know?
I let my dog out to do her business at night in the back. If I let her go through the front, then I'll supervise, but usually without the leash. She's not aggressive, but is very playful. I usually look out the window to make sure no one is out. I'm not condoning the behavior, in fact, if you have an aggressive dog, it should always be on a leash.
Quote from: yuu on November 17, 2009, 05:06:39 AM
I'd rather not let one bad apple spoil it, yah know?
You're looking at the situation wrong.
You're are not the bad apple; she is....
Just kick the dog every time you see it. That will solve the issue right up.
Quote from: DesmoDiva on November 17, 2009, 05:09:35 AM
You're looking at the situation wrong.
You're are not the bad apple; she is....
I meant her... I know my shit don't stink ;D
Quote from: duccarlos on November 17, 2009, 05:08:12 AM
I let my dog out to do her business at night in the back. If I let her go through the front, then I'll supervise, but usually without the leash. She's not aggressive, but is very playful. I usually look out the window to make sure no one is out. I'm not condoning the behavior, in fact, if you have an aggressive dog, it should always be on a leash.
Well, there's no back to this ladys place. It's a 2nd floor apartment. And from the top of the stair leading to it, you don't have a good field of vision so someone could very easily be 5' from the landing, or under it that one could not see. And, there was no supervision... so it's all bad.
Better yet, next time kick the owner.
That is a pretty messed up situation. I see your point with not wanting ruin something for the people that care for their dogs. But, from your description, the other dog's owner didn't get the message that her lack of responsibilty caused the incident. Might be worth going back and talking to her. Doubt it will do much, but maybe it will make her a little more aware. As is, that sounds like it could happen again.
Some people just don't deserve to have pets. Hope your dog is OK!
Quote from: psycledelic on November 17, 2009, 05:20:33 AM
That is a pretty messed up situation. I see your point with not wanting ruin something for the people that care for their dogs. But, from your description, the other dog's owner didn't get the message that her lack of responsibilty caused the incident. Might be worth going back and talking to her. Doubt it will do much, but maybe it will make her a little more aware. As is, that sounds like it could happen again.
Some people just don't deserve to have pets. Hope your dog is OK!
I might opt for a note... I'm a lot a stressed right now and would probably head into the yelling and expletive laced portion of my vocab rather quickly. It'd take one hint of an excuse at this moment for me get very sour at her.
Trying to be a grown up sucks...
Glad your dog is OK.
You would be complaining about her dogs that were pooping wherever and not6 being monitored. Be clear about that, and you are not complaining about the rest of the doggy population.
I have a dog that doesn't like most other dogs, particularly when she is on a short lead. I run into this problem frequently, to the point where I have to be very careful where I walk her. I'm constantly greeted by people with dogs off leash who cannot control their dog. I can control my dog, but if an unknown dog comes up to her and sticks its nose up her ass there will be blood. I hate to be that all leash all the time guy because I have had dogs that didn't need a leash. I am not bothered by the off leash dog that stops or returns to the owner when I let them know my dog is antisocial (for lack of a better term).
That said, I have had some pretty heated discussion with folks regarding their pets. I always start by asking them to control or leash their dog, as politely as I can given how far the interaction has progressed. I can't tell you how many times I have people respond by saying "Oh its OK, my dog won't hurt a fly - they just want to play." It is hard to convey that a leash on their dog is for their dog's protection. Certainly not for my dog's protection as I am pretty sure she would eat anything she wanted or die trying.
Hopefully your day gets better. If you can talk to the woman again, maybe appealing to the safety of her dogs will get her attention.
Quote from: howie on November 17, 2009, 05:37:36 AM
Glad your dog is OK.
You would be complaining about her dogs that were pooping wherever and not6 being monitored. Be clear about that, and you are not complaining about the rest of the doggy population.
+1
an anonymous complaint would 'ruin it for everyone'... like, filing a complaint about poop in the area. since you know which owner isn't playing nicely, let the rain come down on her.
Well, the local association has a knee jerk history - so I have trepidations about engaging them.
Also the local dog laws a bit knee jerky too. I don't want anything bad to befall the dogs because she's just lazy.
The safety angle's a smart one - good way to approach it.
Quote from: yuu on November 17, 2009, 05:37:23 AM
I might opt for a note... I'm a lot a stressed right now and would probably head into the yelling and expletive laced portion of my vocab rather quickly. It'd take one hint of an excuse at this moment for me get very sour at her.
Trying to be a grown up sucks...
Yuu,
Sorry to hear about your encounter. Send her a note that your dog is going to the vet, to get checked out, and you expect her to pay for the visit for not leashing her dog....really some BS. If she gets a bill for your vet in the mail, she may think twice next time.
Honestly, people are complete asses, they will not take a hint or care that they are being irresponsible....it usually takes blunt words and attitude to let them know you aren't fvcking around. I personally hate getting to that point, but people don't get it....we all must share this little world we live in.
RB
darmah has been attacked by loose dogs 4 times.
there are always loose dogs in the neighborhood. i take her to the park now, or carry pepper spray on our lunchtime walk
one time we were riding bikes with the dog on a leash and two mouth-breathers were drinkin beer and playin horseshoes in the yard, and their lab comes running out into the street growling and snarling at our dog. missus tried to get between them and the dog caused her to crash.
owners response- 'shit happens, dude'.
i really wanted to go back and retaliate, but whats the point...they arent going to learn anything from it.
In response to the subject heading: Lately, everyday. I can't get Ron White's phrase out of my head "You can't fix stupid."
Oh Ron... that man makes me laugh. I could use some mp3 comedy love today.
Yeah.. it's irksome. A few other dogs have had a go at him while off leash. Mercifully no injuries ever resulted, save a minor one to me. That pregnant dog (pardon the french ladies) took off from the park with nary an apologies nor giving me any info. She was goooone by the time I'd looked up from checking Marley and realizing the blood was mine (just a nick on the finger, nothing came of it). Another I managed to catch by his collar and face as he charged in and had him off the ground. Lady was agitated a me for holding on to her dog like that.. yelling at me to let go, mind you she had no control or leash in place yet.. and I have 130 pounds of pissed dogs in either hand... no apologies there... WTF man...
The only one who did apologies had he do on leash, but the clasp broke - so not exactly her fault.
I hate having to fight dogs... it sucks. I don't want to do it ever, and it pisses me off more since most times I know it's a stupid human who is really to blame... if you want to get me on a high horse, ask about the pit bull I had to pull off the guide dog...
My pet peeve are the people with off-leash dogs that run up who try to explain that their dog was just being "friendly". I wish my old sparring partner was around. He was 6'7", obviously a little off, and missing his front teeth. People were scared of him.
I'd want him to go running all out up to those same dog owners sniff around them, mebbe give 'em a lick, and if they started making noise, I'd explain that my friend was just "being friendly".
Quote from: MrIncredible on November 17, 2009, 07:56:19 AM
My pet peeve are the people with off-leash dogs that run up who try to explain that their dog was just being "friendly". I wish my old sparring partner was around. He was 6'7", obviously a little off, and missing his front teeth. People were scared of him.
I'd want him to go running all out up to those same dog owners sniff around them, mebbe give 'em a lick, and if they started making noise, I'd explain that my friend was just "being friendly".
Thanks for the laugh - that's quite an image.
"Aww he's jsut trying to make firends"
angler is right, if you have a pet you have to control it, its your repsonsibility.
the common saying of "the dog is only playing" is a bunch of crap. because you always have other animals and people that will not view the dogs "playing" as playing and see it either as an agressive behaviour or such and react accordingly.
Outside of dog parks I think all dogs should be kept on leashes. I learned this lesson the hard way when an otherwise wonderful dog of mine was caught off gaurd by a small dog that charged from a blind angle. The dog was just wanting to play I believe. My dog however lacked good vision in low light conditions. She almost killed the other dog and I was forced to put her down. How hard is it to attach a leash and walk them a couple blocks... might do the owner a bit of good as well.
Quote from: Scottish on November 17, 2009, 10:08:57 AM
Outside of dog parks I think all dogs should be kept on leashes. I learned this lesson the hard way when an otherwise wonderful dog of mine was caught off gaurd by a small dog that charged from a blind angle. The dog was just wanting to play I believe. My dog however lacked good vision in low light conditions. She almost killed the other dog and I was forced to put her down. How hard is it to attach a leash and walk them a couple blocks... might do the owner a bit of good as well.
Sorry about your pooch - it's a situation like that that I really want to avoid.
And yes, the owner could do with a few more trips around the block...
Quote from: MrIncredible on November 17, 2009, 07:56:19 AM
My pet peeve are the people with off-leash dogs that run up who try to explain that their dog was just being "friendly". I wish my old sparring partner was around. He was 6'7", obviously a little off, and missing his front teeth. People were scared of him.
I'd want him to go running all out up to those same dog owners sniff around them, mebbe give 'em a lick, and if they started making noise, I'd explain that my friend was just "being friendly".
This is the situation I'm, except I'm that guy.
My dog does pretty well but if she sees another dog she bolts over to it to check it out.
She's not an aggressive dog, she's just being a dog. Im my experience the other dogs also want to see her just as bad.
I still feel like an ass when it happens.
I always walk her on a leash and only let her off if were in a park and there's *nobody* else around with a dog.
The times she bolts to go see another dog are always when we let her out in the yard to do her thing. One of us always goes with her, and if we go out front we always check for other dog traffic.
Normally I can get her back to me before she notices another dog and there's no problem but sometimes she gets lucky and catches sight before I do.
She's gone like a vapor trail.
I really feel like the only way to break this is a shock collar but this happens so infrequently im hesitant to do it.
Put her on a loooong lead and let her drag it around. When she starts to run, give a command and yank the rope. She'll get the idea pretty quickly, and IMO, more humane that shock collars.
That's part of the reason Im hesitant to do the shock collar.
I really, in my heart, feel that any other method would be ineffective.
Using your suggestion she would end up on a long leash, pulling and clawing to get closer to the other dog [laugh]
It would be like an anchor that pulled back ;D
Welp, I'm typically there (less so now that I'm in the middle of nowhere) with two terrified small dogs who would probably be much happier if they had the option to run, what with them being terribly fast and all. All I can do is try and stay between them and the strange dog. This never works well.
I just figure keeping my dogs on a leash keeps anyone who's unsure of their intent from ever pepper-spraying them.
My gf and I picked up a 3 yo female Boxer back in February when one of our friends had to move out of state, and couldn't take Mollie with her.
Since February, Mollie and I have been attacked by loose neighborhood dogs 4 times.
The first two times were before my hip replacement surgery in mid March, and those are the times I was just as worried about myself getting hurt, as I was about Mollie getting injured.
Each and every time, the other dog has either come running out of an open fence gate, or an open front door, and each time, I have to hold back Mollie, put myself between two angry dogs that are both over 60 lbs, and then yell at the other dogs owner to come and get their damn dog.
The first one was a HUGE German Sheppard, and I actually had to circle around Mollie, kicking that dog repeatedly, and screaming for several minutes before the damn owner stopped gardening in her yard long enough to take time out to gather up her growling, snarling dog from the middle of the street.
Now a days, I carry a paintball gun with me on walks, and shoot dogs that charge us.
I have yet to pull the trigger more than once, because the dogs learn real quick, and usually so do the owners when they have to wash their dog afterwards.
And yes, I have tried talking to my HOA during the monthly meetings, but it falls on deaf ears, and they say "Call Animal Control", which I don't want to do, because it isn't the dogs fault.
One of these days, I'm going to shoot the owner with the paintball gun after shooting the dog.
Probably not the best idea, but I think the owners will learn more than the dogs after getting hit.
BC.
awww, poor Marley! must be terrifying for such a sweet and social dog - maybe you need to teach Marley some krav maga?
my advice on the whole thing would be to NOT involve the association. Then again, growing up, I was one of those kids who thought telling on another kid was a sin worse than murdering your own mom in cold blood. You are grown ups, you can handle it on your own, right?
Next time you see her unattended rabid canine, simply knock on her door and give her the good verbal thrashing she deserves. Repeat until she gets the point. plus, yelling at someone who deserves it will generally make you feel better [thumbsup]
the societal organizations that try to control us convince us that conflict is a terrible thing (first its school, then your job) yet it is a perfectly human way to solve problems. Then again, I believe we should still be able to solve problems by challenging people to duels...
Quote from: DesmoLu on November 18, 2009, 09:01:36 AM
awww, poor Marley! must be terrifying for such a sweet and social dog - maybe you need to teach Marley some krav maga?
You got to see him in social people mode - he's got his 'I'm king of this area, do not question me' mode too. Most of the dogs in my area recognize and acknowledge he's the alpha. But that little little opportunist isn't so bright. Even technically being a geriatric dog, left to his own devices he'd have beat that dogs ass - which is still just a no win, since he'd probably get branded 'aggressive' and taken away.
As noted, leashes aren't just for ones dog protection
Quote from: MrIncredible on November 17, 2009, 01:16:33 PM
Welp, I'm typically there (less so now that I'm in the middle of nowhere) with two terrified small dogs who would probably be much happier if they had the option to run, what with them being terribly fast and all. All I can do is try and stay between them and the strange dog. This never works well.
I just figure keeping my dogs on a leash keeps anyone who's unsure of their intent from ever pepper-spraying them.
I should add that my dogs have been attacked by a loose neighborhood dog in the past while they were on-leash (this was years ago, different neighborhood). This dog had been aggressive towards Watson multiple times, on this occasion my ex had them, the loose dog (a lab, no owner in sight) attacked, Watson immediately went belly-up to be submissive, and the dog took a bite out of her chest. >:( I got home soon afterward and had to rush her to the emergency vet.
The owner apologized, paid the bill when coerced, but still let the dog run around loose in the neighborhood. After that every time I saw it I called [leo]. It only took about 3 times and I never saw the dog running around again. I did also carry pepper spray with me on dog walks for a while after the attack.
This is why our dogs get so scared when there is a loose dog running around and they are on leash with no way to escape.
i think the home owners assoc is right, if there is a loose dog out, call animal control to have the pet taken away. you are not punishing the animal you are punishing the owner.
if the owner is too stupid to not realize what happened and doesn't go around lookign to pick up their pet, then the pet needs to be destroyed or given to another family. maybe then the person will learn so that they do not lose another pet.
as the other poster noted, after a few calls to the local law enforcement the owner no longer let the dog out. simple.
i agree with other posters, you do the cordial thing first of just talking to the owner and telling them to keep their stuff in order and if they dont' then you call animal control. you were nice first and if they tell you what to go do with yourself or tell you to mind your own business then you go the official route.
Quote from: sbrguy on November 19, 2009, 04:58:20 AM
if the owner is too stupid to not realize what happened and doesn't go around lookign to pick up their pet, then the pet needs to be destroyed or given to another family. maybe then the person will learn so that they do not lose another pet.
So....having pets that did nothing wrong put down is a perfectly viable method of teaching people how to take care of them?
Quote from: sbrguy on November 19, 2009, 04:58:20 AM
i think the home owners assoc is right, if there is a loose dog out, call animal control to have the pet taken away. you are not punishing the animal you are punishing the owner.
So the dog isn't going to think he's being punished when he ends up in a cell on death row? And what about the strain and the already overburdened animal control system and shelter? What about the child whose puppy gets put down because his shitty parents wouldn't bother to help him control it?
Quote from: sbrguy on November 19, 2009, 04:58:20 AM
i think the home owners assoc is right, if there is a loose dog out, call animal control to have the pet taken away. you are not punishing the animal you are punishing the owner.
if the owner is too stupid to not realize what happened and doesn't go around lookign to pick up their pet, then the pet needs to be destroyed or given to another family. maybe then the person will learn so that they do not lose another pet.
While perhaps taking the dog away, and finding it a more responsible home might be a suitable punishment - that's not the way it would break down in the bulk of instances. The dog would be take away, put in a shelter that it might not make it out of. While I want this lady to learn a lesson, if she didn't already, the death of her dog is not the way to teach her. It's a way to just have her stew and form resentment toward me and mine, at the cost of a dog's life.
If I thought the dog was a real danger - perhaps I'd persue that avenue. But I don't. I think it's got some manners issues, and isn't so bright for trying to take on my larger dog, but not bad. The bad one in my mind's the lazy stupid lady.
glad your dog is ok. my wife was out walking around our 'hood with my son recently, and saw one dog attack another, and it was pretty brutal. the attacker was a german shepherd mix being "walked" by his owner and the owner's young daughter. the victim was a small chihuahua (sp?). anyway, the chih. needed to go to the vet for some serious mending afterwards. the owner of the attacker didn't apologize at all. turns out the same dog had attacked the same woman's other chihuahua just a year prior. the guy wouldn't even pay for the vet bills.
some people are jerks.
in any case, you protected your dog which was your primary concern at that moment. i've done some volunteer work at one of the shelters nearby, and our last resort in breaking up a dog-fight is to stick a finger up the dog's butt. not pleasant, but immediately breaks up a fight (or anything else going on, for that matter). [puke] so at least you didn't have to go that far.
Quote from: DucofWestwood on November 22, 2009, 08:59:18 PM
some people are jerks.
in any case, you protected your dog which was your primary concern at that moment. i've done some volunteer work at one of the shelters nearby, and our last resort in breaking up a dog-fight is to stick a finger up the dog's butt. not pleasant, but immediately breaks up a fight (or anything else going on, for that matter). [puke] so at least you didn't have to go that far.
:o Yeah that would probably make me think twice about what I was doing too. That might be better than the ol' snapping a rubberband on the wrist trick to cure bad habits... everytime I wanna smoke I'll just jam myself, oughta be over that nasty habit in no time flat. [laugh]
Quote from: Scottish on November 22, 2009, 09:16:36 PM
:SNIP: oughta be over that nasty habit in no time flat. [laugh]
What, the finger-jamming or the smoking?
Quote from: Scottish on November 22, 2009, 09:16:36 PM
:o Yeah that would probably make me think twice about what I was doing too. That might be better than the ol' snapping a rubberband on the wrist trick to cure bad habits... everytime I wanna smoke I'll just jam myself, oughta be over that nasty habit in no time flat. [laugh]
Just jam once with the smoking hand. You won't be willing to put it near your mouth. [laugh]
Quote from: MrIncredible on November 23, 2009, 06:08:23 AM
Just jam once with the smoking hand. You won't be willing to put it near your mouth. [laugh]
Now I don't want to smoke.
Ever.
Quote from: Pip on November 23, 2009, 05:57:03 AM
What, the finger-jamming or the smoking?
One bad habit begats another eh? [laugh] lol
Quote from: MrIncredible on November 23, 2009, 06:08:23 AM
Just jam once with the smoking hand. You won't be willing to put it near your mouth. [laugh]
ew. :-X
There are 200 units in my condo complex and two dogs that are allowed to run loose. Both poop everywhere and run up to us when we are walking our two greyhounds. It's terribly annoying. Our dogs are ALWAYS on leashes outdoors, because if they decided to stretch their legs, we'd never catch up to them. 45 mph in less than three strides is too much for me!
Well, seems she's learned her lesson at least. Was on my working walk going by when she came out, with both dogs on leashes. At least she's a trainable.
Quote from: yuu on December 10, 2009, 06:30:58 AM
Well, seems she's learned her lesson at least. Was on my working walk going by when she came out, with both dogs on leashes. At least she's a trainable.
Did you give her a treat?