Ducati Monster Forum

I have posted this on the main board but just to cover the people that don't venture out into the big wide world:  [laugh]

I need new front rotors.  Don't know much about the subject apart from that's what gets a workout when I see  [leo].    [roll]

So advice/opinions/experiences please.

Heather, I am no Doctor do have your grains of salt ready.

. Did Brad have any suggestions regarding the pulsing?
. How worn are the discs?
. May it be as simple as cleaning the rotors and re-bedding the pads and/or machining the discs?
. Are you really just after bling?

When I upgraded my brakes I got Braking wave rotors as I needed to up-size them. They seemed to be a good option from a cost & aesthetics point of view.

Thanks Betty

Brad said the pulsing is due to warped discs and that they need replacing.  I'm sure he would have suggested other options if they were applicable. But this was late on a hot Friday afternoon after he had already spent all day going over my bike.  I may had missed something in the conversation.

They have been doing it for a while - it's one of those things that you sort of put up with until someone else remarks on it then it becomes very noticeable again.  [bang]

Bike has done 50k.  Don't know how often rotors get replaced? Suppose it depends on the riding style amongst a whole lot of other factors.

Moi - after bling?  Don't know what gives you that impression  [roll]

From what little research I have done, I'm led to believe that machining only delays the inevitable (replacement) and it could well be the carriers that are warped rather than the discs anyway.

So are there any photos of your wave rotors around?  How do they compare with cost, performance? 

Best I can do from here is the piccy towards the end of this thread:
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=20697.75 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=20697.75)

In terms of performance I can't really compare. I went from 2-pad, 2 piston calipers and 300mm discs to 4-pad, 4 piston calipers with 320mm discs ... lets just say there was a bit of difference for me [roll] [laugh]. I wouldn't expect anybody to notice a real difference over stock brembo rotors. There is a (probably bullshit) debate about wavy vs. round rotors and slots vs holes ... but it will probably only matter in your head or in MotoGP.

Cost from memory was less than $600US for the front ... not too sure, you would be looking at a better exchange rate than I had if buying from O/S [bang]. So comparative to some of the brembo stuff, cast iron would be more ... ceramic matrix composite would be a LOT more ... and they're wavy [cheeky].

EDIT: ... and don't forget to turn the page, better piccies on page 7.

the m1000 was famous for it's discs!

didn't the great dragon get his fixed....and write a thread about it.

I will be interested to see what bling-adicts say.....alth & galfer etc

 [popcorn]

the stainless rotor with alloy "snowflake" carriers are notorious for warping, i had them on my S4R and replaced the buttons for full floating ones (stm i think??) and never had an issue, i've since replaced them with iron full floaters which are awesome, though not much good in the wet. ductile iron rotors are the nuts though, they don't rust and with the correct pads are awesome stoppers, even with std 4 piston goldlines, add 4 pad type calipers and one finger stoppies are a cinch!
as betty said, braking rotors are cost effective and from what i've seen they work well without warping, i've only had a go on a bike with em, never owned them.
iirc, the 320mm are the same 6 bolt pattern and offset as yamaha rotors which would explain aftermarket being sensible prices.

paul.

I have a spare set sitting my shed at the moment.







                                        Mmick

Thanks for all the info guys.  Nice pics Betty.  I like wavy ones.  [laugh]  Are Braking and Galfer just different brands? cos they look the same to me. (Galfer $590US at Monsterparts so don't think I'll be getting them any cheaper than you)

Looney heaps of info - a bit over my (blonde) head  :) but bottom line is, I don't want ones that are going to rust as I do ride in all weathers. So are you saying that my OEM ones are just crap anyway and aftermarket ones ones probably wont need replacing again in another 50k km?

Mmick - what kind of spares do you have?

Dragon - what's the story with the 1000s? 

Hey H, I thought my discs were trashed and got another set on Fleabay from Sports model (Thicker) for arpond $300 the pair from memory, and took them to Awesome discs in Ringwood and he skimmed the up for me and when I explained what I was doing and how the original discs (40,000k )were loosening my fillings every time I applied the brake, he said "take 'em off" and he did them on the spot and they have been perfect ever since. [thumbsup]

There are 2 different discs fitted on the Duc, primarily a 5 bolt and a 6 bolt(Mine). I think all the bigger Ducs run a 320mm diameter?? ;D

The cast iron discs that rust arnt a problem at all, except looks. But they work very well. Ask any old pommy bike owner. One application of the brake and they clean up instantly.  ;D

If you are going the wave disc route DONT go cheap!! Go the recognised brands to ensure that the workmanship can be trusted! According to Awesome Discs fella the wave disc is really for looks and less for performance. He ought to know!

http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=27645.msg482182#msg482182 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=27645.msg482182#msg482182)

I just got a set of moto master rotors. I was due a new set after 85000k's.
 I love the look of em

(http://www.moto-master.com/upload/images/113002.jpg)

I remember thinking the same thing ... I just can't remember what I found out (you'll understand when you get to my age). I think there was some R&D/product sharing or something - I think PJ used to have something about it on his website, but now he is carrying Galfer and not Braking so the Braking references are gone ???

Anybody tried Aussie Discs?  http://www.aussiediscs.com.au/ (http://www.aussiediscs.com.au/)


I agree with Dragon, for better performance, go fo non-stainless discs.

Threadjack
Anyone have any suggestions for me on BRAKE PADS
I have the bottom of the range single pad calipers M695
I am a bit over the lack of power and not ready for a $$ upgrade so
will a aftermarket pad give me more power over the stock ?
Seems like the braking power has dimminished and I still have plenty of meat on the pads.
I don't care about longevity just want power=safety
cheers
Dez

When I started my research, all I ever heard was Ferodo XR Racing pads as the very best for the 2 piston calipers.

Chris at CA CycleWorks think they are a must. Seems to be nothing other than consensus about them.

http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/shop/catalog/ducati/brake_pads.html#Ferodo (http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/shop/catalog/ducati/brake_pads.html#Ferodo)

ON TOPIC: Fred at Yoyodyne said he has coming in a batch of underpriced 320mm stainless Brembo snowflakes.
At US$ 150 a piece. That's a bargain.

Thanks for the info stopintime
ordered a set today while the Aus$ is strong

that is a bargain! now get some floating buttons and convert them or with even occasional hard use they will warp.

paul.

It's a fine line, depends on  rider experience, but more power can result in less feel, which can have you doing a low side in the wet if you're not careful.

Looney

Please explain 'floating buttons'. I have no idea what this refers to.

Also I am very limited to what I get done at the local chainsaw shop.  And I am limited to what I can do myself due to lack of mechanical skills.   [roll]

Wouldn't it be much cheaper shipping wise to source something already in Oz.  Or is it cost effective to shop OS?

Monsta - nice rotor - very bling.  [thumbsup]

I'll have a stab:
. the buttons are between the carrier and the rotor
. the cheap (on sale) rotors mentioned seem to be the non-floating type that Loony was criticising for prone to warpiness
. change the buttons to floating for happiness

I think the floating vs. semi vs. non-floating was discussed in your other thread.

spot on betty, they're "technically" semi floating but they're too tight. on the bright side the alloy carriers are nice and light and the stainless rotors work well with a well chosen pad. the buttons are easy to replace, i just drilled my originals out, fitted the floating ones with the supplied E clip and used a little hot glue to lock the clip on just like the factory set up. if i can find the link to the buttons i'll post it up.

paul.

here ya go.

http://www.motowheels.com/italian/mySearchResult.cfm?parentcategoryid=&productID=3198&showDetail=1&categoryID=2014 (http://www.motowheels.com/italian/mySearchResult.cfm?parentcategoryid=&productID=3198&showDetail=1&categoryID=2014)

paul

Thanks Paul and Betty for the good info

Gee there's a lot to know about this stopping business. Looks like I'm going to busy with a bit of study.  :)

Just the standard 6 hole ones 320mm I think






                             Mmick

Thanks Mmick.  I've already gone ahead and ordered some as I have to get my bike ready for Turismo and things take time out here in the bush.  ;D