http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local-beat/Time-In-Prison--70426052.html?yhp=1 (http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local-beat/Time-In-Prison--70426052.html?yhp=1)
The owner is loosing a lot more than $16 now. His place went from 4 Stars to 1 Star lol
http://www.yelp.com/biz/lehigh-pub-bethlehem (http://www.yelp.com/biz/lehigh-pub-bethlehem)
I would have just let them go. IMO there should be no Mandatory Tip. Good service you get tip. Bad service you get no tip.
On that note I am going to japan next week. My Japanese friends have told me you dont tip there and if you try to they take offense... Man I am going to love Japan ;D
I hate mandatory tips as well. In general, for good service I'll tip more than 18% unless I get stuck with a mandatory tip, in which case I let it ride.
Though, if I were in this situation I'd have probably paid it and never went back instead of making a stink.
Usually things like that are written on the menu... ie "parties over 6 gratuity included"
If they didn't like it, they shouldn't have eaten there. If it wasn't written on the menu or at the front of the place then I can understand why they were mad.
On the other hand, people that don't tip are scumbags! I leave 15% when I get horrible service. Leaving no tip at all is unacceptable IMO. A lot of waiters/waitresses get paid below minimum wage to account for their tips. If the service is that bad, call the manager over and say something instead of being a cheapskate and hoping the Waiter doesn't open the check before you leave.
Quote from: Vindingo on November 19, 2009, 06:34:03 PM
Usually things like that are written on the menu... ie "parties over 6 gratuity included"
If they didn't like it, they shouldn't have eaten there. If it wasn't written on the menu or at the front of the place then I can understand why they were mad.
On the other hand, people that don't tip are scumbags! I leave 15% when I get horrible service. Leaving no tip at all is unacceptable IMO. A lot of waiters/waitresses get paid below minimum wage to account for their tips. If the service is that bad, call the manager over and say something instead of being a cheapskate and hoping the Waiter doesn't open the check before you leave.
Wow 15% for bad service. I normally tip 20% for average to good service but it should be my right to tip or not to tip. Bad service should get no tip IMO. So your saying a waiter or waitress no matter how skilled or professional they are deserve at least 15% tip ???
Its not my fault they suck at there job or have a bad attitude or they get paid little. They dont deserve jack from me unless they are nice and attentive and treat me well etc. Why should I give them money for doing a shitty job?
And Yes I know this is sort of Derby. Not the story but this topic ;)
Quote from: Vindingo on November 19, 2009, 06:34:03 PM
Usually things like that are written on the menu... ie "parties over 6 gratuity included"
If they didn't like it, they shouldn't have eaten there. If it wasn't written on the menu or at the front of the place then I can understand why they were mad.
On the other hand, people that don't tip are scumbags! I leave 15% when I get horrible service. Leaving no tip at all is unacceptable IMO. A lot of waiters/waitresses get paid below minimum wage to account for their tips. If the service is that bad, call the manager over and say something instead of being a cheapskate and hoping the Waiter doesn't open the check before you leave.
It's against the law (at least in CA) to pay them less them minimum wage. They are taxed 8% of their gross sales against their expected tips. I tip well for good service 20-30%. I tip very poorly for bad service maybe 5%. If I get unusually bad service, which would have to include rudeness on the servers part, I leave one quarter.....25 cents. You don't want to leave nothing..they might think you forgot. The idea that we need to tip at least 15% no matter what is ludicrous. Servers EARN their tips.
Quote from: ROBsS4R on November 19, 2009, 06:49:14 PM
So your saying a waiter or waitress no matter how skilled or professional they are deserve at least 15% tip ???
Why should I give them money for doing a shitty job?
Yes.
They way I look at it, most likely they aren't doing this job because they like it or it is fun. Most customers are not polite. They deals with tons of assholes a day, and for the most part have to put up with it. As terrible as it sounds it's a pity 15%. Just like I give change to almost every homeless person that asks for it.
The fact that I had to wait an extra ten minutes for my food probably won't affect my day. $10 or $15 might change their day though...
Quote from: Vindingo on November 19, 2009, 07:08:12 PM
Yes.
They way I look at it, most likely they aren't doing this job because they like it or it is fun. Most customers are not polite. They deals with tons of assholes a day, and for the most part have to put up with it. As terrible as it sounds it's a pity 15%. Just like I give change to almost every homeless person that asks for it.
The fact that I had to wait an extra ten minutes for my food probably won't affect my day. $10 or $15 might change their day though...
I always make a point to be polite to anyone handling my food, barbers, and dentists. With that said, I can't tell you how many times barbers have jacked up my hair then been rude after I ask about it, so I give no tip, or waiters make no point in apologizing for never coming to check up on you until you need the bill, but even then I will leave 5-10% in case I can't get to the car fast enough after paying.
heh
I am always polite up to the point I get my food. I am not going to give them the opertunity to spit in it ;D
Bottom line is I know people who are SOBs and treat there customers like trash so your saying you would reward them for this which is what I dont understand. I respectfully disagree with you =)
Hey hows New York Treating you?
Quote from: Vindingo on November 19, 2009, 07:08:12 PM
Yes.
They way I look at it, most likely they aren't doing this job because they like it or it is fun. Most customers are not polite. They deals with tons of assholes a day, and for the most part have to put up with it. As terrible as it sounds it's a pity 15%. Just like I give change to almost every homeless person that asks for it.
The fact that I had to wait an extra ten minutes for my food probably won't affect my day. $10 or $15 might change their day though...
i have to disagree with you here as others do. rewarding someone for bad work only gets the person to do more bad work. I don't see how encouraging someone to do "terrible work" by giving them money regardless will make their day better at all.
yes customers are not always good either, that is why if the server wants they can give them bad service and then they won't come back again. simple. also they will get no tip so if you know the person is giving you a hard time don't give them good service they won't be back.
But hey its your money you can do whatever you want with it. Heck you can burn it if you want, and be happy about it, that is cool with me. But don't call people scumbags that don't like to burn money like you do. that just makes no sense at all.
Bad wait service means little to no tip. Yes, some customers are assholes. And that should reflect on MY service how?
Bad kitchen service does not reflect on the wait staffs tip.
For good service I leave 20% for sure. She cute? The sky's the limit! :p
I have a tip for Lehigh Pub -
GO MAKE THE BEAST WITH TWO BACK YOURSELF
There's no chance I'm leaving a tip for horrible service. make the beast with two backs that. I will tip in relation to the service. I'm not rude about it, if it's busy I understand or if it's not the server's fault then I don't hold that against them. If it is their fault, if they do something just to spite me or they just totally ignore me when there is the place is nearly empty don't expect much, if anything, for a tip.
Quote from: ROBsS4R on November 19, 2009, 08:01:01 PM
I am always polite up to the point I get my food. I am not going to give them the opportunity to spit in it ;D
Same here. I never send my food back unless something is seriously wrong.
Quote from: ROBsS4R on November 19, 2009, 08:01:01 PM
Hey hows New York Treating you?
Not too bad... I'm pretty much kicking schools ass getting all A's
After my 3 years on the west coast I am SOOOO much calmer now. Everyone here is so tense and agro all the time [bang]
Before skimping on the tip, make sure the bad service is the fault of the server, not the establishment. Rudeness is the server. Cold food, slow service, etc may not be their fault. If you choose not to tip, inform the server why you made this decision.
Quote from: Vindingo on November 20, 2009, 04:13:33 AM
Not too bad... I'm pretty much kicking schools ass getting all A's
After my 3 years on the west coast I am SOOOO much calmer now. Everyone here is so tense and agro all the time [bang]
you got a problem with that?
go make the beast with two backs yourself with your calm down shit.
[laugh]
on topic.
i tip very well. i even tip cash whenever possible. i have been reprimanded by friends and family for tipping 50% on a regular basis.
i don't want to sound like a prick, but it will sound kind of that way so oh well, here it goes.
i go to a restaurant because i don't want to do anything for my food, otherwise i woudl cook at home. i go there to be served. that being said, idon't mind having to hop up and grab a bottle of ketchup or a fork or napkin. however, if i don't see the waiter/waitress for 10 min i get agitated. if i need a refill on my drink and they don't show up or simply walk by without a glance as i am waving to them that upsets me. all you have to do is look over and say "i'llbe right there." you don't even have to smile or try to act polite. just acknowledge that i need something. when they don't do that then the tip disappears faster than a cupcake in front of rosie o'donnel. and i always let them know why the tip isn't there. most of the time there i leave something. i usually don't go below 10%. it's also usually pretty easy to tell if it's the server or the situation that is causing slow or bad service (i.e. if it's really busy or if you see the kitchen staff goofing off and not cooking)
however, anyone who tells me that i
have to tip needs to share whatever they are smoking. it's a voluntary thing to recognize good service, not a mandatory thing to help someone who chose a shitty job.
think about it this way. if you don't do your job well, do you get rewarded or do you get in trouble?
I agree with ^^^ about not expecting a lot but expecting service. I can see if my server is having a rough day and that's no problem at all as long as they're making some effort.
One of the posters on the review site made a great point. If your waitress/waiter is guaranteed 18% because of the size of your party, then what's to stop them from completely ignoring you in favor of the parties of 5 or less? Worst case they can figure they potentially lose, what, 2%?
Two questions occur to me; why weren't their six friends also arrested, and how the f*ck do 8 people eat for $73???
No, I'm not that stupid, they split the bill. let's see how many replies this one gets.
Quote from: Bun-bun on November 20, 2009, 06:38:33 AM
Two questions occur to me; why weren't their six friends also arrested, and how the f*ck do 8 people eat for $73???
No, I'm not that stupid, they split the bill. let's see how many replies this one gets.
the one girl only had a salad and a water.
Two things to be learned from this article. Gratuity is optional, and don't make the beast with two backs with the Sopranos
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/15/nyregion/15tipper.html?_r=2 (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/15/nyregion/15tipper.html?_r=2)
Quote from: KnightofNi on November 20, 2009, 04:43:43 AM
if you don't do your job well, do you get rewarded or do you get in trouble?
well, where I work, you kind of do get rewarded [roll]
anyway.
I am also not a fan of mandatory tipping. and, like travis, I've gotten flak for tipping up to 50%
Quote from: teddy037.2 on November 20, 2009, 11:28:22 AM
well, where I work, you kind of do get rewarded [roll]
[laugh] [clap] here, too.
I tip well for good service, cash only. I put it in the server's hand if at all possible. Bad service? You'll get gsomething left on the table, but *maybe* 5%-10% or so. Example? My g/f (now wife) and I ate at a place called Isla. Bill? Spendy. Server that checked on us, talked to us, made our dining experience worth the expense was tipped about 40%. Had the service sucked? Something, but very small would have been left. Waiters & waitresses EARN their tips. I'll happily tip well for good service, and excellent service earns a really nice bonus.
JM
NSFW
Reservoir Dogs - Tipping Scene (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-qV9wVGb38#normal)
lol... I always did agree w/mr. pink...
:D
Quote from: DCXCV on November 20, 2009, 11:32:22 AM
[laugh] [clap] here, too.
so you work in a shipyard, too? sweet! I'm not alone ;)
Gotta be a govt job [thumbsup]
Quote from: teddy037.2 on November 20, 2009, 11:28:22 AM
well, where I work, you kind of do get rewarded [roll]
anyway.
I am also not a fan of mandatory tipping. and, like travis, I've gotten flak for tipping up to 50%
wtf...i need me a gov't job.
At the restaurant I work at we add a "suggested" gratuity of 18% for parties of 8 or more. I'm sure everyone here is very generous and yes a tip is supposed to be for good service. You'd be surprised how often it happens though that when a bill gets to the table for over $200 that an according tip starts to look bigger than the paying party likes.
For your guys info that 18% breaks down like this:
1%=food runner
2.5%=hostess/bussers
.5%=bartenders
14%=server
That is actually the main reason for gratuity on big parties, if a guest gets cold feet and only wants to leave the minimum a server could get really screwed after tip out to everyone and working really hard. As it is the 18% you can see doesn't even get the server to walk with 15%, it just keeps them from doiing you a service and getting shafted for it. Just wanted you guys to know that when you tip, or if you stiff a server on a tip. I can actually cost a server money to serve you. Mostly we have to tip out on sales, it doesn't matter what we make we are expected to chip into the pool from our sales.
Another thing don't bother going out to eat on a Sunday if you are still pissed about tithing. You'd be amazed how often someone takes their family out to dinner after church and wants to leave you a 10% tip(if that's all Jesus gets you're sure as shit not gonna get more). If your dinner for 6 cost $100 and you leave $10, thanks. I just spoiled you and your brats while you were taking up two out of 3 or 4 of my tables for an hour and a half for $6 after I tip everyone below me.
Mostly just understand and recognize what level of service you're getting. If you want a really nice dinner, go Monday through Thursday. The servers are better, the diners are better, Friday through Sunday is amatuer hour. Servers dealing with rude guest who weren't taught proper etiquette when eating out. Monday-Thursday nights I make almost as much as a weekend night with about 60% of the sales.
And if anyone is curious, no, I'm not a Denny's server. Yes I'm good I usually walk with at least 18% after tipping out my 4% to the pool, and that is in a state where a large part of the population doesn't ethically believe it's right to tip a white man.
Oh and if someone didn't want to pay the suggested gratutity, nothing we could do. Don't know how the laws are set up there that they got legal on it. Here it is merely a suggestion for you to do the right thing and left to your discretion.
Often, when dining with a large group I find the need to run back and put a few extra bucks on the table. Seems the problem is some people estimate their share a little low.
Quote from: howie on November 23, 2009, 12:49:38 PM
Often, when dining with a large group I find the need to run back and put a few extra bucks on the table. Seems the problem is some people estimate their share a little low.
I dislike combining the bill with a group for this specific reason.
Quote from: howie on November 23, 2009, 12:49:38 PM
Often, when dining with a large group I find the need to run back and put a few extra bucks on the table. Seems the problem is some people estimate their share a little low.
It's always appreciated as well. Personally If I see a table doing math trying to figure out who owes what, I usually offer to split the checks for people... or they tend to forget the taxes.
there's an app for that ;D