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Title: Will these rearsets fit my bike?
Post by: Bizzarrini on December 03, 2009, 09:05:13 AM
Hi Guys!

I'm trying to buy new rearsets, and stumbled across some cyclecat drs-33/43. I have a '94 M900 (see pic). Will these fit my bike?

(https://lh5.ggpht.com/__Po2c5Xzcvg/Sxf0w62yaYI/AAAAAAAAAC0/SeKbYdc5Nss/s800/9960-090807-2332.jpg)

Thanks for your help!


Title: Re: Will these rearsets fit my bike?
Post by: stopintime on December 03, 2009, 11:34:40 AM
I'm sure someone knows and will be able to answer. If not, you can call OnCycles and talk to their engineer guy Gary (?). If he's still working there he'll be able to tell you [thumbsup]


Title: Re: Will these rearsets fit my bike?
Post by: corey on December 03, 2009, 12:52:27 PM
if they fit, buy em quick... unobtanium.


Title: Re: Will these rearsets fit my bike?
Post by: junior varsity on December 03, 2009, 02:22:00 PM
I have answers!

First, a few things to think about:

CycleCat is no longer in business and there are essentially no spare parts. For anything. If you don't plan on crashing then perhaps this isn't an issue for you. I, for one, have a good idea that I may one day crash and might want to simply buy spares rather than have to buy another manufacturer's rearsets all together.

Step 2 in your analysis should be: My pipes are low-pipes. I need low-pipe hangers (Don't worry, if you are hell-bent on cyclecats, OnCycles has you covered and even have a few sets that include passenger pegs)

Step 3 in your analysis is easy, I'll do it for you: HERE ME NOW ALL: The rearsets on pre-02 Monsters are the same as 02+ rearsets for all DSS (dual sided swingarm) monsters. No, S2R and S4R guys do not count. You might say to yourself, but wait - didn't the frame change in 2002? Why yes it did. The biggest change this will mean to you is that 02+ Monsters use a different Triple Clamp offset/setup, different headstock diameter, etc. The footpeg brackets didn't move. The holes in the sump are in the same place. Some guys have a floating rear caliper with rod that attaches to the sump at the lower mounts of the factory rearsets on the clutch case side. None of this is affected when going to rearsets of another manufacturer (though you might have to buy another M10 or whatever it is bolt). This is a big ugly paragraph. The sidestand changed in 2000. This will only affect you purchasing a rearset that uses the lower sump holes (a la Rizoma DSS rearsets). This is an easy upgrade: Buy a new sidestand bracket assembly (spring, bracket, sidestand, bolts) and put it on. Voila, you are updated.

Step 4 in analysis: CycleCat rearsets, and MW / RedRacing / Style and Performance / AG Hammer rearsets (also Sato's but they have no accomodation for low pipes) are all "HANGING REARSETS" - just like on superbikes. They hang straight the F down from the frame which move your feet closer "in". This is a nice feature. Hooped monsters with lots of ride height cranked in may find some fitment issues with the hoop and the pipe brackets if there's no lateral extension to the exhaust brackets. Rizoma's brackets have such a bend to give you an example. Its not been much of a big deal to figure it out, and doesn't affect everybody - the stock suspension hoop is rather narrow unlike the aftermarket billet options that used to be available.

Along with straight 'hanging' rearsets is the lever-issue. Only two, close together points hold the rearsets on the bike, with the footpeg a few inches below that. On the superbikes, the peg is not below, but adjacent to those bolts. This can cause the rearsets to slightly bend the frame tabs if you stand up on the pegs a whole lot if you are a fatty. For purposes of this discussion, I admit I am a fatty (230lb large male land mammal. I like hamburgers.).

The reason this is something to think about is there's an alternative method more like the stock setup, and that's the Rizoma's. Never you mind that PJ's Parts and every other vendor says they are for 00+ DSS Monsters, I already explained said kickstand upgrade that gets everything squared away. The Rizoma has an additional mounting bolt down there by the sump, just like the stock rearsets (which have two, but that's a little excessive really). So that's something to look into. Drawback is these do not 'straight' hang, but bulge out slightly like the factory rearsets did. Makes using a reverse shifter not as pleasant as with straight hanging rearsets, but nevertheless do-able.

So you need to think about spare parts availability, whether you like hanging rearsets or 'triangulated' like the rizomas.  CycleCat made a great product, and I'd no doubt grab a set for my bike, but I don't like that if I grind a peg down, that's all she wrote. (Then again, if you can figure out basic CAD or can find a machine shop, they should be able to get you a spare or two made up for a reasonable cost).


Title: Re: Will these rearsets fit my bike?
Post by: ducpainter on December 03, 2009, 02:25:41 PM
Nice post...^^^^ [thumbsup]


Title: Re: Will these rearsets fit my bike?
Post by: junior varsity on December 03, 2009, 02:28:55 PM
You can tell i do a lot of trial and error re: aftermarket parts huh?

i do love my ol' monsta


Title: Re: Will these rearsets fit my bike?
Post by: junior varsity on December 03, 2009, 02:32:18 PM
What's that you say? picture time?

Rizoma's:
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_4iYlZ1m8UEM/SraUfzYcEwI/AAAAAAAAECE/sX1GUXGBv9w/s800/IMG_1566.JPG)
(Notice the bottom part of the bracket, a single bolt connects to the sump)

AG Hammer (an example of hanging rearsets):
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_4iYlZ1m8UEM/SgY_G6rcPLI/AAAAAAAADFw/NBTUfkvVrDw/s800/Ducati%20Monster%20011.jpg)
(Notice they are free hanging. Nothing mounts the bottom of the peg hanger to the bike, it just dangles from above. Rode from Dallas, TX to Las Vegas, NV with those, they work just great. CycleCats are very much like these, only the footpeg is adjustable rather than fixed.).


Title: Re: Will these rearsets fit my bike?
Post by: kopfjäger on December 03, 2009, 02:48:34 PM
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/feral006.jpg)


Title: Re: Will these rearsets fit my bike?
Post by: Bizzarrini on December 03, 2009, 10:52:29 PM
Hi Guys!

Thanks for all the quick responses! You are really a great help! I also contacted Oncycles (like stopintime suggested), and they again confirmed the sets would fit my bike. They also mentioned the CC exhaust hangers: good tip!

I went ahead and bought the rearsets!!!

Cheers!


Title: Re: Will these rearsets fit my bike?
Post by: DarkMonster620 on December 04, 2009, 12:58:04 AM
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/feral006.jpg)

What brand are these? Look awesome...;)


Title: Re: Will these rearsets fit my bike?
Post by: DarkMonster620 on December 04, 2009, 12:58:45 AM
Hi Guys!

Thanks for all the quick responses! You are really a great help! I also contacted Oncycles (like stopintime suggested), and they again confirmed the sets would fit my bike. They also mentioned the CC exhaust hangers: good tip!

I went ahead and bought the rearsets!!!

Cheers!

Congrats, enjoy and post pics....


Title: Re: Will these rearsets fit my bike?
Post by: Bizzarrini on December 04, 2009, 12:59:57 AM
Thanks, I will!


Title: Re: Will these rearsets fit my bike?
Post by: kopfjäger on December 04, 2009, 12:28:58 PM
What brand are these? Look awesome...;)

Cycle Cat


Title: Re: Will these rearsets fit my bike?
Post by: DarkMonster620 on December 04, 2009, 01:08:01 PM
Cycle Cat

Unobtanium ...


Title: Re: Will these rearsets fit my bike?
Post by: kopfjäger on December 04, 2009, 01:20:41 PM
Unobtanium ...

There out there. If you search long enough. Took me a 8 months to find that particular gp shifter.


Title: Re: Will these rearsets fit my bike?
Post by: He Man on December 04, 2009, 01:21:49 PM
There out there. If you search long enough. Took me a 8 months to find that particular gp shifter.

They are but what if you go down, or the bike gets knocked over and you loose one of the pegs? IMHO its not worth buying them since there are no spare parts,


Title: Re: Will these rearsets fit my bike?
Post by: kopfjäger on December 04, 2009, 01:46:57 PM
They are but what if you go down, or the bike gets knocked over and you loose one of the pegs? IMHO its not worth buying them since there are no spare parts,

I keep buying parts I find for cheap (spares). The pegs are easy to machine.


Title: Re: Will these rearsets fit my bike?
Post by: junior varsity on December 04, 2009, 01:51:40 PM
CHeck Motowheels section in the vendor's board RIGHT NOW.


Title: Re: Will these rearsets fit my bike?
Post by: stopintime on December 04, 2009, 02:01:52 PM
CHeck Motowheels section in the vendor's board RIGHT NOW.

With the longer foot peg carrier and a little less expensive - I wish I needed those :D


Title: Re: Will these rearsets fit my bike?
Post by: DarkMonster620 on December 04, 2009, 02:19:52 PM
There out there. If you search long enough. Took me a 8 months to find that particular gp shifter.

I know, just ending the rebuild of my bike after low side in January; got sick leave and then got axed. Went from $5.46/hr to $1.91/hr, plus any odd jobs and at times, no time for wife...But, still able to pay mortage, have a BBQ from time to time, beer on weekends and tool around my M620D...Almonst 12 months to rebuild and the day I decided to test ride, found out one of the forks was bent[about 3mm] so I searched, found and made deal. Now saving to pay for forks, shipping and taxes.

Promise will post pics of bike with new look. You can check http://www.flickr.com/photos/darkmonster620/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/darkmonster620/) to see my bike, house, dog, cat and whatever I feel like taking a pic of with my cell phone cam[1.8mp]... [beer]


Title: Re: Will these rearsets fit my bike?
Post by: junior varsity on December 04, 2009, 03:29:20 PM
I keep buying parts I find for cheap (spares). The pegs are easy to machine.

Sure helps when you got a great shop ;)


Title: Re: Will these rearsets fit my bike?
Post by: fasterblkduc on December 04, 2009, 05:02:01 PM
I keep buying parts I find for cheap (spares). The pegs are easy to machine.

Do you have spare pegs? Wanna help out a broke racer?  ;D

I've crashed and ground down all of my spares. I raced the last weekend of the year on half a peg on the right side because I lowsided in morning practice.  [bang] So, I'm all out of spares and I was going to figure something out over the winter.


Title: Re: Will these rearsets fit my bike?
Post by: junior varsity on December 05, 2009, 05:40:15 AM
you could always use a bolt with two nuts sandwiching the bracket in a pinch.


Title: Re: Will these rearsets fit my bike?
Post by: Bizzarrini on December 07, 2009, 02:35:08 AM
CHeck Motowheels section in the vendor's board RIGHT NOW.

Yeah, thanks for the tip, but I've already bought the other set... Great deal though!

Another question: you were talking about relocating the sidestand spring by using another bracket. I'm also going to use a reverse shifter (Slingshot Racing). Where can I find one of these brackets?


Title: Re: Will these rearsets fit my bike?
Post by: junior varsity on December 07, 2009, 04:57:37 AM
Any crashed bike, ebay, your dealer. Its the new (2000) style mount. You are looking for the sidestand, bracket, and spring. Whether or not it comes with a wire, you may lose your sidestand idiot light on the dash (who cares, its not hard to remember, when you sit down, kickstand goes up).


Title: Re: Will these rearsets fit my bike?
Post by: djrashonal on December 07, 2009, 12:58:38 PM
Any crashed bike, ebay, your dealer. Its the new (2000) style mount. You are looking for the sidestand, bracket, and spring. Whether or not it comes with a wire, you may lose your sidestand idiot light on the dash (who cares, its not hard to remember, when you sit down, kickstand goes up).

Wait wait wait...you're telling me that when I sit on my bike the kickstand goes....Up??? no no no, I can't put it up on my own, I need that Light, all hail the lights!   ;D

I saw one on ebay cheap yesterday, I'll see if I can find it again


Title: Re: Will these rearsets fit my bike?
Post by: junior varsity on December 07, 2009, 01:04:18 PM
You'd be surprised how often people without those lights sit down warm the bike up, put on helmet, ride off...make first left hander and hear a stomach-churning  "grinding-chunk" sound (even with the idiot light).


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