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Anyone have a picture of a reroute of the right hand oil cooler line so it doesn't go in front of the belt cover?  I am trying to show my dealer what I want done.

Thanks.

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Hypermotard style

if your dealer is doing it, it's a straight bolt on from the hypermotard oil line.

but if you wanna search around you can probably get one made cheaper.  seen it done although i don't remember where they got the parts

So you want to spruce up yer ride with some new Oil Cooler Lines? To be wrapped around the 'Correct' side of the engine, you know, clean things up a bit.
It seems, but you will have to verify, that Ducati changed some of the line connectors after 2001. This means that the adapter needed for the engine and oil cooler are the all the same size now, 14mm x 1.5 thread pitch after 2001. This translates into the need for 4 AN-6 male adapters for new lines. I purchased the black anodized fittings, but they are also available in the standard blue, alumuminum and stainless steel.
There are also helpful videos online on how to assemble the hose and fittings.




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Part #Qnty Description
9919DFH 4Metric thread male to AN adapter male
AT800106 2"Black"Hard anodized swivel seal aluminum Hose End
AT804606 2"Black"Hard anodized 45Deg. Tube Swivel Seal
AT809106 1"Black"Hard anodized 90Deg Tube Swivel Seal Hose End
35060616ft.Pro-lite 350 hose. Use Swivel Seal hose ends

My invoice #396721, Tom from Earl's told me he would keep my order on file for future purchases.


http://www.ANplumbing.com

I am in no way associated with Earl's Plumbing.

very easy install

RB

or go to a tractor supply place & have then crimp up anything you want.

Thanks for the replies everybody   [thumbsup]    I previously found the Earl's fittings and hoses and hope to use them.

Yeah, I was actually told by Paul at NPR Ducati to go to a mechanic at the dekalb peachtree airport and get some mechanic to put one together for me.  Made it sound like an easy job.  (And if it's good enough for an airplane it's good enough for me)

Here it is..

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and the other side.

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I know what one of my next mods is gonna be now!!!

i kind of like the braided line showing there by the belt cover..........just my .02

Did your oil cooler come black or did you paint or anodize it???

they came black, but i kept a black sharpy on hand to touch up my little scratches.

Hey RB, does your invoice cover just post '01 parts or would an '00 configuration be the same? Thanks, BD

Straight bolt on hypermotard hose, its got the advantage that all the fitting look the same as the OE ones.

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Yes. The only difference would be where they thread into th cooler and the block. Those are the four adapters for the AN lines. 

Reviving an old post.  Finally got around to doing the oil cooler line rerouting.  Ordered a Hyper oil line kit from Fren Tubo via their US distributor PJ's Parts.  Lots of different styles of lines and fittings to choose from and PJ's was great to work with.  Below are before and after pics.


Stock routing:
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Rerouted with new hoses:
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Looks very nice!  [thumbsup]

How about a pic of the whole bike?

Short thread jack......

"Arne Berger" - - - sounds Norwegian - any family connections?

Looks great! Thanks for reviving this thread I was about to search for this topic  [thumbsup]

Here is a pic before the oil line reroute:
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Only the name.   ;D  I was named after a family friend.

looks good!
would you mine providing the part numbers for the Fren Tubo's for other riders?

Now just reroute the starter &  oil temp lines to clean it up further

I always disliked how the OE oil cooler line routing was done over the beltcovers.  Glad to know how to fix it.  Now I need to update my future mods list  ;D

BTW - Redduck (aka patorojo) That is one gorgeous redhead.  [thumbsup]  (maybe just get rid of that frame sticker  :-\)

looks incredible!

(wondering where the framer sticker critics are [popcorn])

 ;D Right above you!

Hey Monstyr,
That looks good.  How much was the HM hose?  Do you still have the part number by any chance?
TIA  [thumbsup]

Excellent post and info. I think I know what might be doing soon.

+1! Looks good and that is my next mod. Thanks.

Sorry, I'm a little slow replying to this.  There wasn't a part number per se.  Dealing with PJ's, there was a lot of interaction to get everything just right.  The bottom line was it was Fren Tubo's Hypermotard "kit" but you have to specify the color of fittings that you want, the hose material, and the hose cover.  For what I installed, my invoice read:

"Fren Tubo Radiator Hose Kit, Type 2 Stainless/Aluminum, for Ducati Hypermotard, RED FITTINGS, BLACK SLEEVES"


Yes that is next on my list.  The starter cable seems easy enough, I have been a little nervous about the oil temp line as changing the circuit resistance could lead to an improper reading.

BTW, as noted above yes, you can just order from Ducati the stock Hyper upper hose and be done.  However, my dealer quoted me more for the just that one hose than I paid for the pair with the cool anodized fittings  ;D

Don't be nervous about the oil temp, as long as you don't splice in a mile of wire, it'll be fine.

Anybody who's swapped out that hose with the Hypermotard hose - could you possibly provide the Part # and curious as to the price too.  Thanks.

One last thread revival.  I finally got around to rerouting the starter cable and oil temp sender.  In short, finding the all the parts and pieces was the biggest PITA.  Finally found cable and terminals for the starter cable at a marine supply and the the oil temp sender cable, connector, heat shrink and cable sleeve at about 5 different stores.

For the frame sticker fashion police, it's gone now  ;D

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Looks great!!

IMHO they should come from the factory..JUST LIKE THAT.  That sexy trellis frame is just begging to be more naked, not hidden under a jumble of wires and cables!!!  Very Nice Job!!

I found a set of hoses from a Hyper on eBay, and I think I paid around $140 for them.  They fit perfectly, no muss, no fuss and already assembled. The seller even included the heavy wire retainer that holds the 2 cooler hoses and the fuel tank hose to the left side of the engine.  The one I had originally was made to hold only 1 cooler hose.

I don't know the part number, nor is there anything stamped on the hoses, sorry.

You'll need 4 adapters, 4 hose ends and hose.  Search around for adapter and hose sizes, but you can make your own fittings for around $100.  I have a different bike, but I got everything from Summit Racing.

I've got a 99, and I'm dying to do this. Explain to me how my order is different than on the newer bikes, please.

From my reading, it seems that I cannot simply order a hypermotard line. I figure i'll replace these next oil change, and do both lines, and probably go through PJ to do so, but what kind of issues am I going to have relating to the older Box-style Oil Cooler on my '99 M900?

you will need to measure your fittings at all four ends(thread pitch...), unless someone with a 99 and a definitive answer chimes in. So this means you need to diconnect your lines before you place an order....to be safe.

RB

I can do that come next oil change.

And make sure you use 2 spanners when removing or connecting the lines to the oil cooler itself, there was a thread on here a while ago where someone used only one spanner to remove the line and ripped there oil cooler open, there is a reason the oil cooler has a bolt head on the inlet and outlet points.
The cooler is not strong enough to support heavy handed spanner work by itself.

Just a friendly piece of money saving advice  [thumbsup]

That was me...but I was installing, not removing, the cooler fitting....on a brand new cooler...with a fancy torque wrench.  That was a painful little momentary oversight.  Use two wrenches and also know that the oil coolers are very fragile!  Recently someone else cracked their engine case removing the oil line fitting, so pay careful attention to that task as well.

BK

ee gadz.  thanks for the headsup. I don't want to damage anything when I'm simply trying to replace a line.

any threadlocker or teflon tape needed on the threads during reassembly?

Yes, as I recall the manual calls for one type of thread locker on the cooler adapter fittings and another type on the engine case side adapter fittings.  The lines and o-rings get a light smear of engine oil.  I think I used blue loctite on the cooler and medium red Honda Hi Temp thread locker on the engine case side (on the advice of the dealer).  New crush washers all around.  Torque carefully to spec with a crows-foot attachment, or trust your experienced & calibrated hands.  No teflon tape required or advised.

BK

ZOMBIE THREAD!

Looking at doing this, and curious about the PRESSURE associated with our oil cooler systems. Is this something that would be a good application for Aeroquip Socketless Fittings and Hose?

http://aeroquip.cc/fbn0600-bulkhoseblackhose.aspx (http://aeroquip.cc/fbn0600-bulkhoseblackhose.aspx)

Rated to 250psi...

Kind of overkill IMO.

The Socketless stuff would work fine in that application; I've been using it for years for oil coolers, turbos & whatnot on VW's & Audi's and never had a problem.  It's super easy to work with (do yourself a solid and pick up a tube of Aeroquip's assembly lube) and the fittings are reusable forever.

The fittings aren't cheap though, and all the parts you'd need to fab up a set of your own "HM" oil cooler hoses would probably cost pretty close to a set of pre-made hoses.  I went with Fren Tubo lines on my M900 just for that reason.

is the socketless stuff a type of "push-lock" fitting?   Instead of using the two threaded parts of a normal AN type fitting?

yes and no... it's push lock in the sense that you push the tube onto the fitting... but that's it. no secondary piece that locks it in place.
here's a video showing the general mechanics:
http://www.anplumbing.com/page/9 (http://www.anplumbing.com/page/9)

looking though everything, just seems like standard swivel-seal stuff is a more cost-effective and appropriate choice.
also, the push-on hose has a rubber outer, which i worry about considering its proximity to the front header-pipe.

Yep:

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I hear yea... Sometimes the knowledge of how to do something—and the experience gained from doing it myself—are a little bit of an extra value to me. Still haven't made up mind, but I'll post up results when I do. [thumbsup]

one more question... now that I have my lines built, and my cooler painted proper black... does it matter which line goes to which side of the oil cooler?

i know which one goes where (top line from motor goes to right side, correct?), but I'm just curious..