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Just got a pair of Rizoma Avio 21 Indicators, I bought them online from ReverCorsa.

The indicators are packaged individually and externally the packets were the same, but when I opened them up and went to install them the wiring setup was different on each one .
- Package One contained - 1 Indicator , 1 Resistor and 1 Black Box
- Package Two conatined - 1 Indicator, 2 Resistors and something which looks like another resistor which is wired in inline, but no Black Box

Is package two a newer version where the black box has been shrunk and already wired in?
Any other thoughts on what is going on?

I'm not sure this will be a big help, but I bought my track-77's from PJs, and at that time (before buying) I asked them about the black boxes (because in the latest Rizoma catalog there is a picture of a new black box (or resistor?) which I haven't seen before) and they said that the packages vary now (old style and new style). My signals all looked the same, though: I had the lights, the black box (which was just a very flat 1 1/2 inch thing) and two resistors (same length as the black box, but rectangular cross-section). And yes, the load box was wired inline.

I would be very surprised if the black box was inside the light (or you did not mean that?).       

The Rizoma signals should come with:
• 1 Indicator Light
• 1 Black Loadbox, approx. 1-1/2 x 1-1/14 inch, about a half inch or 3/8 deep.
• 2 Resistors. Why? I don't know, they like giving extra ones away i guess.

The loadbox will have a "do not remove" sticker on it, or something to that effect. It will be wired in-line, but has a plug so you can disconnect it for installing.

It sounds like you have 3 Resistors, and 2 black boxes, which should work just fine. Just put one Load Box, and one resistor on each side. That should do ya just fine. Not sure why you are missing a resistor, maybe someone snuck one out while at the warehouse :/

They give you extra resistors because if you look at them wrong the wires break at the solder.  I found that out lowering my clocks.

wow, that sucks man.
i had zero problems with mine, and was very rough with them when installing.
i also found out that you only need one resistor per side, even if you're installing 4 LED signals. so i'll be going back in to take a couple out. which means i have like  6 resistors left over. I used two on my lady's gixxer. They are nicer than some of those cheapo resistors out there.

Perhaps I was too rough with them.  Good thing there were extras.

As Corey said, one resister per side, not one resister per blinker. If you put the resistors on the rear blinkers, you'll not need to find room at the front for them.

Unfortunately, there's no way around those big ass black load boxes. One per signal on the new signals. (The old signals used to not require them).

I'm holding off on replacing some old, cracked rizomas that didn't use a load box until Rizoma figures out how to get around the load box all together, I don't like trying to find a place to hide that. (Kind of makes me want to switch to Kellermans)

Or put them all underneath the seat.  Once I got to pods and start yanking out all the underseat plastic, I plan to move a lot of that behind the headlight garbage under the seat.

the rizoma information states that the load boxes have to be so many inches (or less) from the signals.

well there goes that idea.....

I sit mine on the corners of the air filter (open air box). Again, why I am thinking of going to kellermans, or something else that merely needs a resistor. I wish they still produced the old rizomas that didn't need the load box.

i managed to bundle mine up front no problem... with two extra unnecessary resistors and everything.. ah the glory of zip ties.

I replaced the rear indicators on a friends streetfighter with rizoma avio 21 and they came with 1 black box and 2 resistors in the first pack and 1 black box and 1 resistor in the second pack. I contacted the suppier and he confirmed that you use 1 black box and 1 resistor per side and from what I understand you will not need to fit another set of black boxs and resistors if you also replace the front indicators.

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Hmm. I think its that you won't need the resistors. You'd still need the load boxes I believe.

It wasn't a problem to find space for their mile of wire, but it looks cluttered to me.  I would love to see daylight through that space.....

From PJ'S Website:

+1

Thanks ato memphis, its the first time that I've seen that info  [thumbsup]

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If it wasn't on his website, I was about to pick up the phone and call him, because I could do without them in the front, I would. I want it as "airy" looking (supra) as possible.

+1  I like the way their signals look, but that load box is a deal-breaker.

This sounds like what is going on,

I think I have one new style with the 'black box' unit a similar size and shape to the resistors and one old style with the chunky black box.

 I wonder if you can buy the the new slimline 'black boxes' as a seperate item, they are certainly much easier to tuck away

I hope the new ones aren't as big as the one i got. I'd order if they had decreased in size, its too damn hard to hide the big ones when there's alternatives that are box-less...

the new ones are about the size of the resistors,

Sucks that they sent me one of each [bang]

I am not absolutely sure, bit I think these are the new load boxes:

(http://www.pjsparts.com/catalog/images/5%20-%20Universal%20Other%20Parts/Indicator%20Lights/LoadBoxx.jpg)

and on this picture you can see how the resistors look like:

(http://www.pjsparts.com/catalog/images/5%20-%20Universal%20Other%20Parts/Indicator%20Lights/SignalSizes.JPG)

I guess I did not say anything new at this point. It might be possible to buy a separate load box, I would contact PJ's. They have unbelievable customer service, they might do something for you. 

so much nicer.. they now at least have a make the beast with two backsing mounting hole...
asshats.

Aren't those boxes there to change the voltage?  If so, there may be other ways to do so.  A different dc-dc converter, a voltage divider network (two resistors or a potentiometer), or a zener diode could drop the voltage.  Ato, can you measure the voltage across the leads after the box?

Well, as the site says (Going off of PJ's), the boxes change the voltage down to 6v, stock systems run at 12v I believe.

You just threw all sorts of electonic vocabulary at me. I'm pretty tech savvy, but with a mech engineering degree, i'm better equipped at solving a different set of problems, and with a law degree in the works, i can only create more problems.

Please draw stick diagrams or attach pictures with such devices I could splice in that prevent me from having to use those big sons of pregnant doges.

Ato, I am also not an electrical engineer, but electronics is just plumbing.   

If you just need to cut the voltage in half, two resistors will do it, see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltage_divider (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltage_divider)

(But the load voltage to the Rizos will be proportional to the source voltage)

A zener diode clamps the voltage to a rated value, 5.6V or 6.2V.  See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zener_diode (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zener_diode)

This approach will give you a stable voltage at the zener value (unless the source drops below that), and you may be able to substitute the R in the shunt regulator for the Rizo resistor.  Make sure you get components rated for the correct wattage.

If the Rizzo draws less than 1A, you can wire one of these:

http://www.fairchildsemi.com/pf/LM/LM7806.html (http://www.fairchildsemi.com/pf/LM/LM7806.html)

Yup, Rizoma gets no LED bucks from me until they make this voltage reduction box thingo go away.  

Just got 4 Avio 21's for Xmas.  There is no longer a black box.  The "black box" is now about the size of the new resistor pictured but flatter.  Almost like a pressure switch to run a weaponlight if that makes any sense.  Maybe the thickness of 3 quarters and the width of a dime? 

wow, that sounds a LOT better.

i can't understand why they can't just put the resistor/parts inside each signal.

Discovered the connector's on the Zero 11's and the 696 are also not the same.  Any idea where the best place is to get the snap type connector's needed to plug into the wires on the bike?  I could cut the wires on the bike to match the lights but would rather not.  You would think Rizoma would make it an option on which type of connector you want. 

whatsup, you may want to look further down the wires on the bike.  You might find the right connectors.  When I first picked up my 1100, the right blinker would sometimes not work.  It was a lose connection and the same plugs as on the new blinkers.  I would imagine the 696 would be the same.  Maybe double check before buying something. 

Yep, thats what I got, well at least on one of them - much better than the big black box setup.

Who did you get yours through?.  I bought mine off Revercorsa, but probably wouldn't use them again, as despite numerous emails and a couple of phonecalls to find out what the story was with the new Blackbox setup, I havn't recieved a reply

PJ's.....

PJ's.

Pj's.   Excellent service.  My father ordered them for me for XMAS.  My wife told my dad, who lives out of town, that I open presents early (not true) and I always figure out what my gifts are.  The PJ's box showed up with a label over the company name (to disguise it) as well as a big sticker that said "do not open until XMAS".  Inside the box was also a christmas card that was written for my dad. 

I thought I'd resurrect this thread as I found it useful. But firstly a bit of background.

I have had the old Rizoma Track 01 indicators on my bike for almost three years ... these little puppies have 24 LEDs in each indicator and are as bright as the fires of hell. I had bought the resistor kit but was told you didn't 'have to' install them ... if you didn't you would just have a faster blink rate. I like the faster blink rate and the resistors had no connectors so I left the indicators as they were. These indicators had no separate load box.

The Boss had some Avio 21s installed on her wee Monster about 18 months ago ... these have been wired in with the HUGE load box and resistors on EACH indicator.

Anyway back to the current day ... we recently returned from a little trip covering just over 5000km through all sorts of weather. It would seem that the old Track 01s didn't do too well and have started playing up or not working at all. We went through some pretty heavy rain (3 days in a row at one point) and some water seems to have got into the indiactors ... amazingly through a pair of o-rings. The Avios seem to have coped much better.

So I have just received a set of new Track 77s as replacements. Although it has been discussed above I thought I would add a little more with some photos ... this is what comes in each pack:

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4025/4429616255_22b77a1045.jpg)

So the load box / black box has definitely shrunk as mentioned above and there are plenty of resistors. The little slip that comes with it may also be helpful:

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4040/4429616513_652aac152a.jpg)

So once the missus gets her act togther to do the install for me I think it will be as per the diagram above for the Hyper:

. black box on each indicator (already connected in the top photo)
. no resistors on the front
. resistors on each rear indicator

Hope that helps to clarify things.

my god that black box is tiny in comparison to what I'm having to use.