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who buys a 1098 without registering it, and wants to trade for a bike that is street legal??

dude is retarded if someone in that area hasnt called the cops on him yet

yeah, big WTF to that.  it's not just unregistered, he has no title!

a 1098 with no title?  uh huh.

Man! stay away from people like that,def nut job.Call the cops on him.

There's no such thing as a bike that new without a title... You can't BUY one without registering it...
ridiculous.

I emailed him.  offered to trade a Gixxer...

Y'all sit down for this:


FYI:

Holy crap! That is unbelievable. Yeah, where are the cops? [leo] [popcorn] The guy's got balls for even posting it like that.

Damn!!! Ohhh well, at least he is an honest crook!
 ;D

"An honest crook"  should be the definition of Idiot....If you're gonna lie, cheat or steal, it's probably best to be consistent...LOL

the only way it could be legit would be a frame swap with a home-made frame.. but then it wouldn't be cheap, it would be absurdly expensive...

or if you purchased a frame off ebay with a title from some guy who crashed it but didnt have full insurance.

but then again, i wish there were some way to get this bike back to the original owner so we can atleast nail the dude who stole it from him. but in all honesty, that bike looks bone stock. theres no real way to identify it. unless he completely forget that the vin number is re listed under the seat (or where ever they put that sticker)

factory can match the engine number to VIN, they are linked when the bike is imported, DNA will have it.

So what did the guy say after you emailed him about how he's going to jail for 10 years?

 [leo]

"white-collar resort prison or federal pound me in the ass prison??"

"Uh, yeah and the shop I bought it from didn't have keys for it either, so I had to work on the wiring some...."

actually you can buy one with just an mso, but he unlikely has one of those, either.

the state can, too. california titles have both the vin and motor number.

I already reported it to IC3

http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx (http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx)

We need to help each other out as fellow Ducatista's to those that have had their babies stolen, better safe than sorry..... Lets not just stand around and point out or look at these things and not try to do something to stop motorcycle theft. I know Miami has a really high percentage of annual motorcycle thefts and some people who own motorcycles even opt to live 30-45 mins away just so they dont have to worry so much, because bikes here get shipped out in containers overnight and are mostly never recovered.

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True.  I have not been able to get my SD titled yet, and there was no problem at all shipping the thing here (Hawaii) from California.  BUT I did have a bill of sale issued from the dealership.  ;)

if he has all the keys and the imbolizer is active, then i woudlnt be as sketchy.

but who the hell grinds off the vin?

good job on reporting it, though i dont know what i3 is.

Welcome to IC3
 
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The RC51 track bike I bought was bill of sale only as it had never been titled for street use.  I did worry some about that but the bike still had the vin tag on the frame and the vin on the steering stem.  Everything checked out and it ended up beeing a good deal.  The fact that the VIN was grinded off the frame is a good sign that something is not right, if they went that far there may not be numbers left on the engine cases either.  Hopefully it is not anyones bike that was taken from them.

I know Beverly Hills Ducati had a 1098 stolen ( "buyer" and his g/f used bogus info and fraudulent credit info)...Red btw.

If someone knows anyone there, it might be worth a shot to give 'em a shout.. I dont know if it was ever recovered.

I just freaking hate thieves! There are obviously many worse, violent crimes but thieves are so much more rampant. To work so hard to earn the money and spend the time to have something nice that really means something to you only to have some lowlife a##hole just take it!! Doesn't matter if it's a scooter, a horse or a painting... anything stolen just sucks. My favorite stories are the ones where some thieving prick gets rightfully and legally blown away by the owner/victim during the act. I know it sounds a little harsh being near Christmas and all but I worked in the State District criminal courts for years and sure the police catch a few but the a##holes just get back out on the street down the road and do it again. It's all they know.

Hope something comes from this doofuss posting the ad and the negative attention it's getting. Like maybe sirens and handcuffs! [thumbsup]

You're telling me! Once it was worse-the SOBs didn't even take my property, just cut it in half.

There I was, starting a new business, raising turkeys, when some sicko took one of my only two prime breeding stock and cut it in half! I don't even know how he did it-it looked like poor or Harold got severed by a watermelon. What bastard did it just left him there in the highway to die alone.


If I ever find that guy, I tell ya....

The way I read the IC3 mission statement, seems to me they're looking for net-related crimes; cyber bullies, phishing scammers and hackers, rather than some scumbag selling "allegedly" stolen property...

no VIN number vehicles are a crime in themselves. Its not "allegedly" stolen at this point. There is no reason whatsoever to not have a VIN.

Quick question if anybody knows.  I blew up the motor on my 2000 M900 and managed to find another 2000 motor that I stuck into the frame.  Now my (California) title has the correct frame number but the wrong engine number.  Any California residents ever spoken with the DMV? Of course, the mileage on the motor is now wrong, so they may just refuse to reissue title, but I was curious if anybody ever dealt with a situation like this.

I think you just take it to the DMV and/or CHP  with the proper paperwork (Bills of sale for new engine, original title of your bike) and they will create a new title with the correct information and mark the original paperwork as old. 

I actually sent an email to OCATT (OC Auto Theft Taskforce) about this after i saw it this morning.


hopefully something good will happen.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but, are track bikes supposed to have lights?

Or no VINs to save weight?

that's what the auto theft task force thought when they started confiscating gp bikes at oak hill raceway 10 years ago.

needless to say, somebody educated them.

Shouldn't have let him roam free like that. Being in the turkey business you should know how they tend to wander. Especially toward rural two lane roads in broad daylight and tend to make tactical errors regarding on-coming traffic of the two wheeled kind. Just tragic to hear of your loss though. What sorry bastard would do such a thing! If you haven't done so then I'm calling PETA! Trust me, between you, me and PETA we'll find the sorry SOB! [thumbsup] Damn, makes my neck hurt just thinking about it! [bang]

no, the issue here is the seller claims the VIN was removed. 

removing a VIN is a federal and state crime.

Says it was removed from the shop where he bought it, wouldnt that too be illegal?

it's illegal period to remove a vin unless you are a manufacturer.  if the shop did it, then they are at fault, but no matter what, it just stinks to heaven.

I wonder if this shop was in an abandand warehouse on the bad side of town with. AKA a chop shop

HEY! A Shop is a shop! we dont need to get into semantics here!

that wouldn't be semantics, that would be details... :D

Let's see, a shop is a shop unless the shop is a chop shop but still is a shop, even though is a chop shop.

Did I get it right? I mean the semantics and details.

lol

yes, but that's not what the post i replied to said.  ;D

also, shop ≠ manufacturer.

wow, I was just kidding

boredom can be interesting to watch...   ;D

wrong, that was no-title bikes. not no-VIN bikes.

Me 2


trying to keep it at civilized levels of conversation...not boredom

as can a freak show....

or a train wreck.

from what I remember, it is illegal to knowingly sell or buy a vehicle with an erased or altered VIN number unless it has been reported as altered or changed.

what statute is that from?

the federal statute makes mere possession a felony.

er. um...
y'know, I don't 'zactly remember.
I just remember learning it many years ago... (thus the disclaimer "from what I remember..."  :) )
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you're incorrect. 

backing up that statement in 3....2.....1.....

watch it, he'll author a wiki article on it faster than you can split a banana  :D

are we talkin splitin the banana by hand or with a knife?  ;D

im not trying to say he isnt knowledgeable on the subject, just would like some background on why is all  [thumbsup]

that whole incident was a circus. the taskforce blocked the entrance/exit to the track and checked every motorcycle on the property. we continued to race while they did their inspections.

one of my friends had a nasty crash (fractured his neck/back) and had to be transported. he "wasn't available" when they came around to inspect his bike, so they impounded it. said the vin "looked funny." a few months later, after letting the bike sit outside in the rain, they finally decided nothing was wrong with the bike after all. my memory is IZ_, but i think they charged him for the storage/impound.

gp bikes don't have vins, so when they came across those in the inspections, they tried to impound them. there were some, uh, heated discussions regarding those bikes. they eventually relented and let the gp bikes go.

iirc, there were only a few bikes impounded and all but one was returned. when they whole thing was said and done, they found one stolen bike that been ridden to the track and belonged to a spectator.

jeezus, i would be grinding my teeth and .......

ready to sue?  ;D


seriously though, couldn't you and conceivably win?  Id be pretty pissed if they literally stole my bike and threw it out in the rain.

I remember. There was a write up in one of the mags about it, with the bikes that ran open carbs. I believe you are referencing the subject of this thread:  No Title Track Bikes - Ducati.ms (http://www.ducati.ms/forums/showthread.php?p=703879). Again, the cops were looking for titles. They were reinformed, as you put it, that the average joe doesn't bring his title to the track for race weekend OR for a trackday.

Governmental Immunity goes pretty far.

My brother got a hard time from the CO state patrol inspection office over his vin. It was fine, just the typical Ducati vin micro dotted into the steering tube. They though it looked weird though and made him sand it down to the metal to look at it closer. That's some BS right there.

they weren't walking around asking for titles. they were inspecting vins and engine numbers.

i was there, this happened to me, i know what occurred that day.

fwiw, nobody carries their title with them, not while racing, not while at a track day, and not even while riding on the street. mine stay locked away in a safe place for when i need them (to sell the vehicle).

Then I stand corrected. The writeups and other postings I have read about the event stated they were looking for stolen vehicles, and asked for titles or other proof of ownership, absent titles they ran VINs. Its not surprising, however, that law enforcement is unfamiliar with motorcycles and the placement of VINs, like the ducati dot matrix, since they have such limited experience or contact with such on a daily basis. The guy with the open carbs bike got screwed, yes, and its a shame he had no other way of keeping the vehicle from being impounded. Methinks he should have quickly called an attorney to file an injunction to prevent propery seizure without a showing that the vehicle was reasonably believed to be stolen merchandise beyond a VIN mismatch issue. But getting somebody to go through that much work for very low likelihood of success would have been prohibitively expensive for most.


uh, yes, I just said the same thing, people don't carry their titles.  only some proof of registration if on the street, since its a public road and one is required to, but such would not make sense for track use since such use occurs on private property only.

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