Anyone ever use it? I am thinking of painting my Radian with it. I love the look of the Purple/green mirage paint, but I haven't seen "Actual" pictures other than those Duplicolor provides. I have to paint two of three pieces of my bike anyway. Was going to just spray bomb it gloss black to match the tank, but I might as well make it custom. Think it's too gawdy?
insert shitty "dude, don't do that" remark here.
;D
I've seen it on a number of automobiles.
It's like a fine mist of ugly, carefully laid out over the entire body, then cleared for eternity.
If you like it, by all means, but other than *one* customized '57 Chevy I've seen with it, it's never looked good.
Friends don't let friends ride ugly bikes.
Don't do it.
That paint had its day....It's like 2010 man ;D
I'd stick with a nice black
Quote from: Ducatl on December 14, 2009, 12:58:32 PM
That paint had its day....It's like 2010 man ;D
I'd stick with a nice black
Red is faster.
What? No yeas? :P Bummer. I have yet to see any actuall pictures of the Purple/green and it's the only color I liked. So I guess it's a pass. I am also flirting with the idea of Mike Lavalee flames. Probably not your style either. But the true fire look is pretty nice. Not sure if I can do it my self, but I do have his how to video.
black and red.
no mirage
OK, now you guys are getting under my skin. Lol. Don't think I won't paint it magenta just to spite you! Oh, wait...no I won't. :D
eh, i say don't be a drone.. do it..
Quote from: MrIncredible on December 14, 2009, 02:04:47 PM
Red is faster.
and Yellow is fastest!!
I say go for it. [thumbsup]
No one but you has to like or ride your bike, but you.
I was contimplating that color scheme for my monster before I sold it.
At least I'm not the only one. Whatever I do I think I'm goin to use this to clear it.
http://www.uschem.com/uploads/file/catalogs/SPRAYMAX_2K_Aerosol_SS_English.pdf (http://www.uschem.com/uploads/file/catalogs/SPRAYMAX_2K_Aerosol_SS_English.pdf)
Alot cheaper than having it cleared by a pro. I'll probably just go with a 1k primer/filler.
Quote from: LowThudd on December 14, 2009, 04:15:05 PM
OK, now you guys are getting under my skin. Lol. Don't think I won't paint it magenta just to spite you!
I dare you. Better yet, Mirage with magenta flames and skulls!
I say do what you want. But, I saw a suzuki painted with mirage paint and it looked like what it was, a poor rattle can job with a uniform orange-peal. On the other hand I was at a local shop just a few days ago and the owner pointed out a mirage paint that came from House-of-Color. It looked like awesome stuff, he hadn't yet painted a bike with it yet, but everything I've seen from House-of-color looks cool to me. The difference in price from the rattle cans is like 100 times. I admit, I like bright, shiny things. Bikes should catch your eye, not be flat or dull.
You can fix the orange peel with some patient sanding and rub out of both the color and clear coat layers. I think someone on TOB did a nice entry on a home paint job with 2K clear. It was beautiful, black with gold pinstripe. The 2K clear allows us home craftsman to make a gasoline proof paint job. Nice :) I keep thinking about doing this myself but I want to ride in the summer and the garage ain't heated in the winter :( We'll see.
Scott
I think I'll test it out on the front fender. It only cost me $12.50 on Ebay, plus $20 for the paint. If it's not right so what. I didn't hurt anythink and I'll spray it black or flame it. Couldn't get any uglier than it is now.
(http://i834.photobucket.com/albums/zz267/LowThudd/RadFender.jpg)
Anybody know of a good, inexpensive high build primer? I looked at SEM, but I don't want to spend too much for an experiment.
rattle can
Quote from: LowThudd on December 15, 2009, 02:19:15 PM
I think I'll test it out on the front fender. It only cost me $12.50 on Ebay, plus $20 for the paint. If it's not right so what. I didn't hurt anythink and I'll spray it black or flame it. Couldn't get any uglier than it is now.
Don't bet on it! [laugh]
Quote from: ducpainter on December 15, 2009, 02:31:19 PM
rattle can
Yup. Three color rattle can. Any advice on primer?
Quote from: LowThudd on December 15, 2009, 02:41:34 PM
Yup. Three color rattle can. Any advice on primer?
nope.
I haven't used rattle cans for 40 years.
In general though 2K primers will be better than solvent evap primers.
Think about it...
Quote from: ducpainter on December 15, 2009, 03:01:37 PM
nope.
I haven't used rattle cans for 40 years.
In general though 2K primers will be better than solvent evap primers.
Think about it...
I have some professional(but very old) movie lights. They get quite hot. Would they be good for accelorating drying time?
Quote from: LowThudd on December 15, 2009, 06:03:03 PM
I have some professional(but very old) movie lights. They get quite hot. Would they be good for accelorating drying time?
Here's the deal...
1K products 'never' stop shrinking.
If you aren't concerned with the long term use a solvent dry primer...
otherwise use a 2K urethane or epoxy. urethane will fill better.
Just sayin'
Quote from: ducpainter on December 15, 2009, 06:08:17 PM
Here's the deal...
1K products 'never' stop shrinking.
If you aren't concerned with the long term use a solvent dry primer...
otherwise use a 2K urethane or epoxy. urethane will fill better.
Just sayin'
I'm taking your advice on the 2k. If I don't like the mirage I'll still need a good primer to paint over. I'm going with the spray max 2k that I gave a link to earlier. My only concern is the temp. I don't have a heated garage and I thought the lights might help. They put out quite alot of heat. The epoxy takes too long to dry, but is that my best bet?
http://www.uschem.com/uploads/file/catalogs/SPRAYMAX_2K_Aerosol_SS_English.pdf (http://www.uschem.com/uploads/file/catalogs/SPRAYMAX_2K_Aerosol_SS_English.pdf)
Quote from: LowThudd on December 15, 2009, 06:38:50 PM
I'm taking your advice on the 2k. If I don't like the mirage I'll still need a good primer to paint over. I'm going with the spray max 2k that I gave a link to earlier. My only concern is the temp. I don't have a heated garage and I thought the lights might help. They put out quite alot of heat. The epoxy takes too long to dry, but is that my best bet?
http://www.uschem.com/uploads/file/catalogs/SPRAYMAX_2K_Aerosol_SS_English.pdf (http://www.uschem.com/uploads/file/catalogs/SPRAYMAX_2K_Aerosol_SS_English.pdf)
Heat lamps will definitely help.
get the part warm before spraying and try to keep it warm...it's a balance.
Epoxies aren't usually meant to do anything except provide a durable coating.
They have the advantage of excellent adhesion to most anything.
Urethanes cure quicker and fill and sand easier.
What are you trying to do with the primer?
Quote from: ducpainter on December 15, 2009, 06:45:45 PM
Heat lamps will definitely help.
get the part warm before spraying and try to keep it warm...it's a balance.
Epoxies aren't usually meant to do anything except provide a durable coating.
They have the advantage of excellent adhesion to most anything.
Urethanes cure quicker and fill and sand easier.
What are you trying to do with the primer?
I'm working on the front fender and under seat cowl. I'll save the tank for last if I have enough priner(prob not). Mabey the rapid primer filler will be good enough, but I have a feeling that old plastic is going to be pretty uneven.
When I paint plastic parts with Urethanes I use a more flexible and adhesive formulation. Might that be a problem painting plastic with rattle cans. You won't be able to alter the formula since the paint is pre-mixed. And what about painting a plastic part that has already been painted. Can it be striped? If not, might there be later problems with with paint coming off later? A problem that I once had was incompatibility between the plastic and the urethane I was trying to use. The paint would bead up and made an awful mess. These questions are mostly for Ducpainter.
What about a black base coat and then flames in Mirage? Too weird? Too much?
Scott
Quote from: scott_araujo on December 16, 2009, 12:31:26 PM
What about a black base coat and then flames in Mirage? Too weird? Too much?
Scott
I've seen a bike with just that. Looks pretty cool. I am still not sure what I'm about to do. Still weighing options. True Fire over the mirage would be more unique.
Quote from: Darkmonster620 formerly M620D on December 16, 2009, 03:42:59 PM
Flat Black is not only cooler, faster but, meaner..!!!
Already thought of that. No rattle can 2k flat clear available.
Quote from: LowThudd on December 16, 2009, 04:54:13 PM
Already thought of that. No rattle can 2k flat clear available.
Flat clear? ???
Quote from: NorDog on December 16, 2009, 05:06:30 PM
Flat clear? ???
http://www.sherwin-automotive.com/media/pds/English/AS2562.pdf (http://www.sherwin-automotive.com/media/pds/English/AS2562.pdf) 8)
QuoteULTRA 7000® Matte Clearcoat CC947 is a pre-flexed, elastomeric, versatile urethane clearcoat that provides the ability to achieve various gloss finishes for today's “low gloss†refinishing requirements. CC947 is packaged as a “flat†clearcoat. This gloss level can be adjusted to achieve eggshell, satin and semi-gloss by adding either CC950, CC940, CC939, CC931, CC930, CC921, or CC920 clearcoats.
if you flat clear something, you cannot buff or wetsand it.
Ask me how i know.
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Quote from: RB on December 17, 2009, 08:59:27 AM
if you flat clear something, you cannot buff or wetsand it.
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lol. Another reason for a first time bike painter(myself) not to paint a bike flat.
Still, flat hides a LOT of flaws.
It really depends on how close you look. [thumbsup]
Shhhhh! And don't look so close! [laugh]
Quote from: scott_araujo on December 17, 2009, 02:18:40 PM
Shhhhh! And don't look so close! [laugh]
Anyone can close their eyes and call it good.
I open my eyes and accept somewhat less than perfect.
Me too, but given the choice I'll paint matte so my mistakes don't stick out quite so much. The Monster Dark was made for people like me.
Then again, I don't do this for a living. I've always been more into a solid foundation than finish work. My machines all run well but look a bit scruffy. I find I get better at finish work the older I get, maybe I just have more patience than I used to.
Scott
Quote from: scott_araujo on December 17, 2009, 03:00:55 PM
Me too, but given the choice I'll paint matte so my mistakes don't stick out quite so much. The Monster Dark was made for people like me.
Then again, I don't do this for a living. I've always been more into a solid foundation than finish work. My machines all run well but look a bit scruffy. I find I get better at finish work the older I get, maybe I just have more patience than I used to.
Scott
Scott,
I'm making my Monster 620 Dark, even flatter...flat black paint and flat clear...
Quote from: Darkmonster620 formerly M620D on December 17, 2009, 03:20:21 PM
Scott,
I'm making my Monster 620 Dark, even flatter...flat black paint and flat clear...
so you are going 2D?