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Wow, the new BMW Sportbike is the most powerful production bike.
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/16december09_bmw_s1000r_dyno.htm (http://www.motorcycledaily.com/16december09_bmw_s1000r_dyno.htm)

Akrapovic Stock Dyno Results (2009 or 2010 models).....

BMW S1000RR 185.5 @ 13,120
Aprilia RSV4 165 @ 12,400
Ducati 1198S 157.4 @ 9,800
Honda CBR1000RR 170.6 @ 12,290
Yamaha YZF-R1 161.6 @ 12,430
Kawasaki ZX-10R 163.1 @ 12,150
Suzuki GSX-R 1000 168.1 @ 11,900
Kawasaki ZX-14 174 @ 9,400
Suzuki Hayabusa 179.5 @ 9,300
(http://www.motorcycledaily.com/121609top.jpg)

Yup, that is one awesome bike. I want one bad. I'll have to wait until I'm experienced and rich enough to afford one though.

God damn... that is by quite a wide margin more powerful no less.  They may actually succeed in shaking the market up for the portion of riders who are constantly buying the newest, fastest, most powerful bike.

MSRP = $13800, not bad...

All it will do is raise insurance rates even more on sport bikes. I'm actually a bit disappointed because the big Japanese 4 had seemed to call a truce on HP wars, and this will just reignite them. Bikes now are getting to be way overpowered, and I actually support a graduated licensing system that would limit the displacement you could get until certain age or test is passed.

I wonder how much insurance is on one of those.  I've started hearing horror stories about RSV-4 premiums.

I agree. What can you do with all that hp on the street? Does that make me sound like a wimp? [laugh] I have a GSXR1000, GSXR750, RC51, Hayabusa, 999, 916SPS, 996S, etc... it's not like I don't know what I am talking about. Where does it stop? In some ways I am intrigued but in other ways I say enough is enough.

I know of a local case where a newbie (maybe late teens, early 20's) bought a new GSXR1000 from a friend's shop as his first bike and made it 2 maybe 3 miles down the highway and crashed on an exit at 100+ mph and died. The bike had like 4 miles on it. Oh yeah, his parents were following him in their car since they gave him a ride to pick up the bike. :P How do you think they feel?

Everyone has a horror story

Insurance already sucks

Enough is never enough ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ducati_Desmosedici_RR (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ducati_Desmosedici_RR)

Wonder what it would dyno at?

I'll get a no bullshit # on that tomorrow.

Meh... numbers.

I bet if you take the Busa and modify the induction so that its torque curve resembes the Bimmer, it'll spank it. There's a whole lot that goes on before reaching peak HP..

I think the point was Stock numbers. (with exhaust)

Yea and if you put a Bell Jet helicoptor motor in a bike you can spank a mig jet on take off. [cheeky]

(At 2:11) MTT Y2K VS JET (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8PX4pn382I&NR=1#normal)

I think the numbers are impressive from a design standpoint, but that doesn't necessarily equal satisfaction for an owner. I used to get caught up in the numbers and graphs, and felt like having more peak hp was always the goal. Over the years, though, I've found I'm much more interested in how a bike makes power than how much peak power it makes. The ride tells the story. Still, conceptually, that graph is quite impressive.

yeah, but the busa and the zx14 both have a 300cc+ advantage.

I look forward to seeing the bike in person some day.


I definitely don't 'need' a GSX-R 750, but I would love to have one.  Some say it is the perfect sportsbike.

i think its awesome that a bike with that much power is that cheap, it means that bikes should be getting cheaper across the board.

In spite of all that power, the bike didn't do all that well in world superbike.  Admittedly, it was new and may have had some bugs but so was the new Aprilia that kicked it's ass.  It takes more than great dyno numbers to be the fastest and win.

I would have to agree. It's an '05 but it really doesn't matter what year it is, they are the nicest combination of 600/supersport weight and flickability and some big bike punch. That's why Suzook keeps cranking them out after everyone else gave up on 750s. They are loyal to the bike that helped put them on the performance bike map. Haven't ridden a 848 yet but I have heard that they are the Duc version of that combo.

Yeah, I've got big block bikes but I'm an slow old fart and I still don't know what to do with 185.5 hp on the street. I used to say "too much is just enough" regarding hp but now I am like others on this thread: how the bike makes power is much more important than peak hp numbers. Is it usable? Is it peaky? etc...

i've heard that the aprilia had been under development much, much longer than the bimmer.

Thanks for the info.  It's nice to hear from an owner firsthand. 

I sat on an 848, but I find the GSX-R much more comfortable.  I believe the GSX-R seat height is lower as well.

This is exactly what I mean..  [thumbsup]

Just look at the huge difference at where the HP is being made in the RPM range.

i'm not sure i would call this a huge difference...


the "low rpm range" of the 1198, 14, and busa are a tad misleading given their larger pistons and lower overall revs.

Check out the Akrapovic numbers of the Honda CBR1000RR vs the BMW a guy posted on another board. (I have no idea how to insert the image here.)

http://www.yamahafz1oa.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1785994#post1785994 (http://www.yamahafz1oa.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1785994#post1785994)

It's not the number, it's the curve.

Loris Capirossi.

huh  ???

Umm he has good dyno numbers, but bad track performance? I dunno..  :P

The one at the shop with full racing exhaust. 170 at the wheel.

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I want to marry D's avatar!!

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I hope he changes the pic to a dog or some such just to make your comment seem wrong.

I am what I am, a product of my environment.  ;)

Hehe just picked up mine this afternoon. BMW Motorsport colors and quickshifter as stock.

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii273/kurtlad/f032efc9.jpg)
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii273/kurtlad/826dd0d8.jpg)

 [thumbsup] 8)
Looks awesome, NuTTs! Congratulations.

Thanks bro, pics just cannot describe this bike. You've got to see the bike in these colors in person

Congrats! [thumbsup] [moto] Anyone know why they used two different headlights? Don't remember reading anything about the difference between the two. Just curios.

1 part weight, 1 part 'cause they effin wanted to.  ;D

Exactly. I would love to blank off that R6 headlamp and just have the endurance style round lamp on one side. Lets see what aftermarket fairings come out in 2010.

Nutts ... where are you located?  i'm in san diego ... put my order in
back in august and bike (same color as yours, with ABS / DTC) won't
be here until february.

Thanks for the pictures!  That is a beautiful bike!

you'll notice from the license plates in his pic that he's not in the US.

BMW has a history of using asymetrical headlights.  I think Nutts is in Spain somewhere.

Fixed that for you Rick.  ;)

Nice new wheels!!   [moto]

I'm diggin' the Scirocco in the background. 

The right side of the pic.  The black VW is the new Scirocco.

Hey, I am based in Spain.. my dealer won't have official bikes with abs&dtc until feb 2010

Shouldn't it be the torque and not the hp instead???

Thanks, that's my Scirocco. I've had it nearly a year now. 2.0TSI - great engine, great car. It is like a go cart. I don't like one thing about the car - you can't switch off the traction control and stability control off completely. That safety net is ALWAYS there.

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii273/kurtlad/rocco1.jpg)

Here is a better pic..

It should always be torque.. but, you've got to try a modern 1000cc I4, it's just breathtaking! I am going to hopefully be racing this bike in 2010 in a couple of races. That is what this bike is made for. However, from what little I've ridden the S1000RR I can tell you it's a pussy cat at low rpm and low speeds. You don't get the jerking as you may with big twins at low rpms, it doesn't drink much gas, sounds very good stock and is really very comfortable. I can't ride a 1198 for example, my bad back and the Duc's riding position just aren't compatible. That's why I've stuck by my 749 instead of upgrading to a 848.

Cool vid with a comparison to all the jap liter bikes(as if there is any comparison)

BMW S1000RR group test (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EBo2Zl3Y6w#normal)

The carbon edition is just... :o
http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/bmw/bmw_s1000r (http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/bmw/bmw_s1000r) Carbin edition.htm

Drool....drool......

Thanks NuTTs, now I have to clean my key board.   ;D

Have you thought about lowering it?  It looks like there is a few cm to spare.   [evil]

I couldn't agree more; usable horsepower and torque is where it's at. I rerely get my S2R 1K over 7,000 RPM on the street or freeway. High revving, high horsepower bikes are fine for racing, but on the street I like low-end torque.