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Morning. I'm kinda new to the Ducati world as i'm plannin on getting a new M696 after the first of the year.

I really want to start doing some research on parts and accesories. I'm a car guy origionally, as i've rebuilt a few cars and drive a mildly modded SVT Focus. So, i know there are those parts out there that are pure snake oil. Do nothing, cost a fortune, may look nice, but have all the hype and rage of a must have part.

Three things i know i really want...Exhaust; at this point i'm reading about the Quat-D Ex-Box. I love the looks of removing the nonsense under the seat. I'd love to hear one.  Any thoughts?

Second i need Good Bar end mirrors.
Third; Air intake. I saw a guy that had some K&N cones on an S2R. Looked nice sounded mean. But, i can't find it for the M696. Any recommendations?

And one last question...Vented clutch plates...Why?

Thanks guys

Part of the fun of doing upgrades is finding what you like the best.  Here are a couple of my recommendations that will help get you started.

1. Exhaust - I recommend the termi exhaust.  It will come with the upraded ecu and air filter.  You can search youtube to find a comparison in sound and looks between the termi system and the exbox

2. Bar end mirrors- I like the CRG's with the rhinomoto bar end sliders.  The rizoma's are pretty nice too.


- Our Sponsors are a great place to start looking for parts as well as the ducati accessories website.

Make sure you take the MSF if you haven't already and if you are new too motorcycling, I also recommend reading David Hough's book on "Proficient Motorcycling"

Ride safe and enjoy your new ride!

Roy

Thanks Roy. I did take the MSF course. It was a blast and i learned a lot. i also recommend it to anyone who's even considering buying a bike. i've heard that the ex-box is hard to get in the US. is this true? And if it is hard to get, is it worth it?  I'll look into the one you referanced today. I probably wont buy for a while, but i like to research early.   

Biggest advantage Termi's have over the ExBox, Termi's come with the DP ECU, which will raise your red line to 10.5k from the stock (8.5k AFAIK).  It also fixes the lean issue that the 696 has.  In order to comply with EURO3 emissions, they lean the bike out a lot, particularly around 4k.  Bike is more responsive.   That's the biggest reason. 

i was to understand that ducati's don't have a "red line" because of the desmodromic motor. There is no possibility of valve float right. unless there is a redline in terms of a rev limiter. In which case i could see the ECU.  whats the price comparison?

Yes, there's an electronic rev limiter in the ECU.

The X box isn't as loud as many other aftermarket exhaust systems. About $ 1,000 at MotoWheels.
Termignoni stainless, with Performance ECU, about $ 1,000. Plus $ 400 for carbon sleeves. The Ducati Performance ECU makes everything work smoother and a little stronger. YouTube for sound clips.

The added intake growl comes with the open air filter box in the Termi kit.

Vented clutch is exactly what you'd might think - to vent the clutch - dust and cooling. I suspect most vented clutch covers are there to "vent" the Ducati trademark rattle clutch and it's cool looks. I have decided not to want it, since I can't have one on my wet clutch S2R 800. Same thing on the 696, wet clutch. Bonus is that we have a slipper action clutch.

cool so i don't need to worry about wanting one anyway.   So what other Exhaust systems are there that eliminate the pipes being between the seat and the rear fender?

BoomTubes from Mark at MotoCreations. Loud, little or no bass, but superiour looks 8) Some time next year, maybe later, he will launch a similar design that has the bass rumble.

Sorry, this was just a teaser.... As far as I know he doesn't make them for the 696, but maybe that will change. Someone else might know?

ok well keep me posted. Id like something with good bass, but having that chopped look is kind important to me, but i realize that it would be easier accomplished with an 1100

Well, "almost" slipper action. Its a near-slipper.

As mentioned above, you ain't got a dry clutch on a 696 (or really anything below a 900 on a non-superbike but that's not without exceptions) so there will be no venting of the clutch for you.

As mentioned above, if you've been a car-guy, you'd be best served spending any money you might have after buying a Ducati on some motorcycling classes and books/videos. A bone-stock 696 can be a real nuisance on the track for guys on superbikes (and by nuisance, I mean, hard to get around because its plenty fast). A track school or something similar will make your 696 much more enjoyable for you as the owner, and will produce way more of a wow-factor in your friends than a little bling here (hear) or there.

I had a Quat-D Ex Box on my M900 for a season or two. It was neat to have lots of the weight removed or relocated down low. It did not sound very Ducati-esque, however, and i got lots of shit from the guys I rode with for having the italian buell exhaust. It also had a good bit of popping, but that's not limited to the Ex Box by any means (Arrows and many others may pop like a sonofapregnant dog).

I found some nice megaphones and got a lot better, and louder sound out of the bike. You'll have a really great sounding, deep exhaust note if you get some carbon fiber pipes. Also, they weigh next to nothing in comparison to the stock pipes.

best place to buy?

For the riding schools, check with your dealership about trackdays and things like that. There's lots out there, such as RideSmart and Sportbike Track Time.

For parts, look in the Vendors section here. I've had great experiences with Motowheels, Desmoworld, Desmoworks, DesmoTimes (unrelated for exhausts and such), Commonwealth Motorsports, Ducati Seattle, Motostrano, PJ's Parts, and CA-Cycleworks. I've used many others with good experiences as well, but those are the names that always pop into my head and the sites I play on during work breaks.

i just was looin at the ca-cycleworks page. what do you think about the two brothers pipes. I really want something that eliminates the under seat exhaust but other than the ex-box, i can't find anything.

THere is a thread... semi-official 696 exhaust thread... http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=12166.msg207956#msg207956 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=12166.msg207956#msg207956). Most every exhaust available for the 696 ended up on this thread.
all kinds. do a seach on the top for 696 bar end mirrors and you'll see tons of links of photos.
Most go for the K&N or BMC replacement filter for the bike. go this route and you either need the Ducati Performance ECU or a fueler, like the Two Brothers Juice Box. Check the ECU thread pinned at the top of the accessories section. Also, suppose any pod filter setup for the older 2v bikes would work as well. but expect to have to do a lot of fabricating because the 696 airbox is a mount for ALOT of internal stuff.
THe wet clutch of course stops this, but IF you so desire the 'Ducati-rattle' there's a kit available to switch to a dry clutch. EXPENSIVE!

I was a car guy for a long time, and I can tell you than working on/modifying bikes is much much much better.... It's easier and more satisfying. Pretty much anything can be fabricated to work on the bike.

If you want performance, then exhaust is the first thing to do. Many people go with the termi's because it is a package deal with new ECU, air filter, slip ons... As of yet though, there hasn't been any dyno numbers or anything to indicate a huge performance increase for this system.

I do not like the looks of the termi system so I went with a different one and installed a two brother juice box which has helped with the lean issue.

I would say the next two things to upgrade for performance are to a steering damper and oil cooler... If you live in a hot climate, the oil cooler will help the bike a ton. The steering damper smooths out steering and makes the bike feel more solid. The bike does not feel as loose or wobbly on the freeway or in the twisties.

After these, the touring seat, new mirrors(i went with CRG bar ends), and frame sliders were next.

The problem with the 696 is that it is so new still that there are not many performance options available for it.... hopefully this will start changing over the next year

Hmmm. This sounds like the damper is doing a bit more work than it should. The damper should be towards the lighter side of things, adjustment wise, and other problems may be stemming from other suspension issues, like over or under sprung rear shock, and forks.

is there any advantage to the dry clutch vs. the wet?

woah that's a whole other thread.

hey i do what i can. 


do you think if i have the option of adding the price of pipes onto my financed total i should? The dealership i'm buying from carries both Quat-D and Two Brothers.

sometimes shops will do that if they have those parts in stock.
quat-d, juice box and k&n filter should be what you need for that setup.

[clap] I love your thought process there [clap].  If I may borrow your wisdom for a moment - and hijack the thread for a second - then... I have decided not to want a black frame.  I have also decided not to want a Moto Guzzi Griso (as well as, not instead of..)... I have further decided not to want ABS.  I have decided not to want a Zard full-system *caveat: until such time as somebody makes a something to replace the DP ECU, then I reserve the right to re-want the Zard setup  ;).  In the mean time I'm trying to decide to not want the DP full system but I fear that I'm beginning to actually like (I know... its an illness) how that thing looks.  There I said it. 

Sorry Miami, here's your thread back....

just pick up a DP ecu like i did and get it over with. 10.5k rpm limit and no fueling issues. now just got to put the bike back together.

Raux... I already have a DP ECU... it came with my Termi slip-ons.... but as it still expects to hear inputs from the lambda sensors.. and still tweats the dumb-arse flapper valve servo its no use with any other full system which dispenses with both of the aforementioned.  I'd need the other DP ECU as supplied with the DP full system...and I cant see anybody having a spare one of those...

Sorry, maybe I was a little dramatic in how i described what the steering damper did.


Where did you get the DP ECU by itself?

you could go with the Duc.EE from Motocreations to get rid of the flapper valve and still just use the lambda with the DP ECU you have now. I'm working on a system for the 696/1100 with a local shop. 2 into 2 (with or without a crossover is unknown at this time-dyno testing will determine if a true 2 into 2) keeping the header pipes and lambda sensors, but getting rid of the flapper valve. Should come with a unique tail chop as well.

you'll get the most power out of a system with a cross-over.

Ebay is your friend. a shop was going out of business. not sure how they had it on the shelf alone or if they had broke up the set to make more.. paid half the cost of the SS full system.

i have a couple of 696 systems and an 1100 system for testing and development so I'll try several configurations. Not going to try and reinvent the wheel though. Motocreations has the Duc.EE so i'll recommend that to go with the system when they go for sale.

It's interesting that I just read today and now was confirmed from Unge that the new DP ECU keeps the lambda inputs. for race only systems, i'm surprised.

iirc, lambda is for emissions regulations, correct?

if so, silly to keep it for race ecus. then again, lots of race bikes still run carburettors because of the relative lack of gadgets needed.

yeah kinda wierd.
the new Siemens comes in three version then?
Stock (696/1100)
DP slipon (keeping lambda) (696/1100)
DP full (no lambda) (1100)

ok educate me...ECU = Engine Controll Unit Correct/   DP?   Ducati Performance?

Correct?

and what is the main purpose/advantage of the DP ECU? Is it just timing and fixing the lean problem or is there more i should know about?

Make sure the thermometer works.  :D

Just FYI there is a MIVV auction on ebay. Free shipping too. Looks like a nice looking system.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/EXHAUST-MIVV-DUCATI-MONSTER-696-1100-2008-ESCAPE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem35a5b8e5cbQQitemZ230413624779QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/EXHAUST-MIVV-DUCATI-MONSTER-696-1100-2008-ESCAPE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem35a5b8e5cbQQitemZ230413624779QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories)

the DP Ecu comes with the Termi Exhaust kits. ECU, Slipons and freeflow airfilter. it gives more power (don't quote me), smooths out the tq curve and allows you to get a little  [evil] with the exhaust sound, PLUS gives you 2000 more rpm before the fuel cutoff.
the 1100 has 2 version a slipon and a full 50mm system.

an interesting sidenote... someone told me an 1100 would work on the 696... i can't believe this, but has anyone tried?

[laugh] [clap]

Genau Raux, thats it exactly.  Or so I thought, until this >> http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=33013.msg576814#msg576814 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=33013.msg576814#msg576814)

Tell me more about this Duc.EE doo-dad from Motocreations..... I hate my flapper valve and its bulky servo with a passion..... 

he's making it so you can use aftermarket exhausts with no flapper, like his boomtubes. it fixes the bad signal the ecu gets if the servo is unhooked
I think the HM is being tested first. check out his sponsor site on the left.

Done. Thanks Raux.  I knew motocreations had something in the works, but didnt know that it was ready to go.  Cant wait to piss that servo off and regain.. lol... all that underseat storage.  Just need somebody to make a replacement midpipe now so that I can dump the actual flapper valve itself too.

well, it looks like i'm probably going to be getting my bike sooner that i thought. Unfortunatley it comes to the tune of loosing a linkage part in my SVT Focus. I lost reverse about 2 months ago, and yesterday i lost all forward gears. The problem is that Ford doesn't sell this part cause its not their transmission. its a Getrag MT-6.

Soo, i'm going down tomorrow night to get my Duc. It was going to be on the first or second, however i need transportation. woo hoo.  :D

I thought this was correct, but I now think otherwise...  even the M1100 DP full system retains the lambda sensors.....check this pic of Rever Corsa's TTX36 Ohlins fitted to an M1100 running the Full Termi system.... Whadya see right there, yup its the O2 probe.
(http://i672.photobucket.com/albums/vv86/Rever-Corsa/Christian%20Audigier%20Ducati%20Monster%20Outside/ohlinsttxm1100.jpg)