GM makes it's last big block :(
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/12/22/0113247/The-Last-GM-Big-Block-V-8-Rolls-Off-the-Line (http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/12/22/0113247/The-Last-GM-Big-Block-V-8-Rolls-Off-the-Line)
RIP Disgusting big block torque :'( :'(
(http://gravybread.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/crying-indian-tear65p.jpg)
While it is a bummer and all. :'( My little 376 is representing just fine at 410 ft lbs thank you very much! ;D
The big block was dead a long time ago. The power boat industry has kept it alive for the past 2 years on advanced orders knowing it was going the way of the dodo....
you can still buy aftermarket blocks.
Quote from: hypurone on December 22, 2009, 04:53:42 AM
While it is a bummer and all. :'( My little 376 is representing just fine at 410 ft lbs thank you very much! ;D
The big block was dead a long time ago. The power boat industry has kept it alive for the past 2 years on advanced orders knowing it was going the way of the dodo....
That's what my boat has. For a ski boat nothing's better IMO.
[bow_down] 454
so who will be making the superduty diesel blocks??? 6 liter and above??
I'm guessing they are going to stick with the Duramax by Isuzu
Quote from: ducatiz on December 22, 2009, 08:43:06 AM
so who will be making the superduty diesel blocks??? 6 liter and above??
superduty? That's ford. Power stroke was made by navistar (international harvestor) but I believe they are going to a new manufacturer or in house. Also the diesel blocks are vastly different than the gas burners.
oh yeah, it's sad to see the bbc go, but the times are changing
Quote from: 1KDS on December 22, 2009, 03:49:44 PM
superduty? That's ford. Power stroke was made by navistar (international harvestor) but I believe they are going to a new manufacturer or in house. Also the diesel blocks are vastly different than the gas burners.
You should see a Ford in-house on the lots soon. Navistar/IH have worked together for quite some time along with Ford.
JM
Quote from: 1KDS on December 22, 2009, 03:49:44 PM
superduty? That's ford. Power stroke was made by navistar (international harvestor) but I believe they are going to a new manufacturer or in house. Also the diesel blocks are vastly different than the gas burners.
i confuse them, the Chevy "HEAVYDUTY" is diesel or powerstroke or something
i thought the bottom end was the same, no reason it couldn't be.. a crankshaft is a crankshaft.
Quote from: ducatiz on December 22, 2009, 04:44:21 PM
i thought the bottom end was the same, no reason it couldn't be.. a crankshaft is a crankshaft.
Were you not around when Oldsmobile thought that was a good idea.
One of the main reasons we don't have very many oil burners in passenger cars here in the states (except for VW, M-B, etc.).
Quote from: ducatiz on December 22, 2009, 04:44:21 PM
i confuse them, the Chevy "HEAVYDUTY" is diesel or powerstroke or something
i thought the bottom end was the same, no reason it couldn't be.. a crankshaft is a crankshaft.
A diesel crank is significantly different than a gas - each is optimized for their market, and if you substituted one for the other it would be sub par for the job (either too strong and heavy for the gas, or not durable / long enough for diesel).
mitt
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on December 22, 2009, 05:06:36 PM
Were you not around when Oldsmobile thought that was a good idea.
One of the main reasons we don't have very many oil burners in passenger cars here in the states (except for VW, M-B, etc.).
Ah yes, the old diesel 350, what a horrible motor. It's a toss up between that and the V-8/6/4 for the worst GM motors of all time.
Quote from: 1KDS on December 22, 2009, 05:41:05 PM
Ah yes, the old diesel 350, what a horrible motor. It's a toss up between that and the V-8/6/4/0 for the worst GM motors of all time.
Fixed it for you. ;)
Quote from: ducatiz on December 22, 2009, 04:44:21 PM
i confuse them, the Chevy "HEAVYDUTY" is diesel or powerstroke or something
i thought the bottom end was the same, no reason it couldn't be.. a crankshaft is a crankshaft.
The term you are looking for on the Chevy is Duramax diesel. And the designation is HD which precedes the weight rating. IE; HD2500 etc...
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on December 22, 2009, 05:06:36 PM
Were you not around when Oldsmobile thought that was a good idea.
One of the main reasons we don't have very many oil burners in passenger cars here in the states (except for VW, M-B, etc.).
i was around, but the engines GM threw into the cars back then were all industrial engines. we had a Cadillac diesel.. wow, what a pos.
i still have an '86 Ford Ranger with a Mitsubishi Fuso tractor engine in it. Makes a whopping 86 hp, but something like 120 ft lbs of torque. No acceleration at all, but it could pull a stump.
Quote from: mitt on December 22, 2009, 05:10:12 PM
A diesel crank is significantly different than a gas - each is optimized for their market, and if you substituted one for the other it would be sub par for the job (either too strong and heavy for the gas, or not durable / long enough for diesel).
mitt
interesting. Mitsubishi's Astron motor comes in gasoline and diesel varieties. The bottom end is identical for both motors. head is different, of course, but I think the only internals above the crank that are distinctive are the rods/pistons and cam (for timing).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Astron_engine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Astron_engine)
Guess I'll keep the ZL1 sitting in my dad's basement :P