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Title: what is up with speedymoto????????
Post by: wingnut on December 27, 2009, 08:12:54 AM
Why is it that speedymoto is perpetually out of stock on virtually everything monster related?  I've even contacted them about future availability of their top triple and clip-ons only to get a response a week later with "a few weeks out".  I replied asking to please let me know when they come available and, going on 6 months now, still nothing.  Am I the only one who finds this completely unacceptable?


Title: Re: what is up with speedymoto????????
Post by: stopintime on December 27, 2009, 08:22:18 AM
No, you're not alone.

It has been like that for a while and I don't know why.
Super nice people and fantastic products, so it's really sad.


Title: Re: what is up with speedymoto????????
Post by: He Man on December 27, 2009, 08:51:00 AM
thats why some dealers dropped them.

cyclecat was the same way....and then they went under.


Title: Re: what is up with speedymoto????????
Post by: DarkStaR on December 27, 2009, 08:57:21 AM
Demand > Supply


Title: Re: what is up with speedymoto????????
Post by: Goat_Herder on December 27, 2009, 09:55:16 AM
Supply can't meet demand = loss profit.  That's too bad


Title: Re: what is up with speedymoto????????
Post by: swampduc on December 27, 2009, 12:02:10 PM
About 6 months ago, I was told the reason for the delay was that production had been ramped down during the recession and they were trying to ramp things up again. I doubt they would still be catching up from that, though.


Title: Re: what is up with speedymoto????????
Post by: kopfjäger on December 27, 2009, 12:23:55 PM
I just picked up one of the new billet case covers from them. It arrived 3 days after I ordered it. I also have several other parts on my bike from them, and have never had an issue.


Title: Re: what is up with speedymoto????????
Post by: wingnut on December 27, 2009, 03:01:13 PM
I guess I'll be looking elsewhere for parts.  I know there are a few more options for clip-ons but Is Rizoma the only other option for a top triple clamp?


Title: Re: what is up with speedymoto????????
Post by: kopfjäger on December 27, 2009, 03:10:33 PM
I guess I'll be looking elsewhere for parts.  I know there are a few more options for clip-ons but Is Rizoma the only other option for a top triple clamp?

What bike? There are some other ones out there.


Title: Re: what is up with speedymoto????????
Post by: stopintime on December 27, 2009, 03:18:21 PM
What bike? There are some other ones out there.

Two of them?
http://shop.ebay.it/merchant/racingcnc_W0QQQ5ftrkparmsZ65Q253A12Q257C66Q253A2Q257C39Q253A1Q257C72Q253A1229QQ_trksidZp3911Q2ec0Q2em14?_pgn=14 (http://shop.ebay.it/merchant/racingcnc_W0QQQ5ftrkparmsZ65Q253A12Q257C66Q253A2Q257C39Q253A1Q257C72Q253A1229QQ_trksidZp3911Q2ec0Q2em14?_pgn=14)

http://www.imasrl.com/ENG/special-parts-comp.asp (http://www.imasrl.com/ENG/special-parts-comp.asp)



Title: Re: what is up with speedymoto????????
Post by: wingnut on December 27, 2009, 04:05:48 PM
I'm looking for a top triple clamp and clip-ons for an 1100


Title: Re: what is up with speedymoto????????
Post by: kopfjäger on December 27, 2009, 04:26:22 PM
I'm looking for a top triple clamp and clip-ons for an 1100

ungeheuer has done alot of work to his 1100. Send him a pm and see what he has found.


Title: Re: what is up with speedymoto????????
Post by: ungeheuer on December 28, 2009, 02:39:18 AM
I waited months for my top triple and tallboy clipons from speedymoto.... great quality, beautiful workmanship.... but zero inventory.  I was keen to see how their rearsets would turn out, back in June they told me "around August......"  Glad I ordered Rizomas coz still their website says "coming soon".   I dont get it, they make great stuff, they're very helpful to deal with and there's a great deal of latent business out there.....  but they just dont seem to be able to meet demand. 


Title: Re: what is up with speedymoto????????
Post by: wingnut on December 28, 2009, 04:25:10 AM
All I want is a realistic timeframe rather than "pre-order" and "coming soon".  Even if they said 6 months, if I was confident that I'd see my parts in 6 months, I'd still order them.  But I don't have that confidence and apparently you don't either.  Thanks for your input.

Do you know of any other options for a quality top triple?


Title: Re: what is up with speedymoto????????
Post by: Raux on December 28, 2009, 04:34:09 AM
I'm ordering from Style and Performance. Nice people and good on timeframes.

http://www.styleandperformance.it/ (http://www.styleandperformance.it/)

email them, tell them what you want. more custom options than most places.


Title: Re: what is up with speedymoto????????
Post by: TAftonomos on December 28, 2009, 06:38:45 AM
I waited months for my top triple and tallboy clipons from speedymoto.... great quality, beautiful workmanship.... but zero inventory.  I was keen to see how their rearsets would turn out, back in June they told me "around August......"  Glad I ordered Rizomas coz still their website says "coming soon".   I dont get it, they make great stuff, they're very helpful to deal with and there's a great deal of latent business out there.....  but they just dont seem to be able to meet demand. 

I think it's the other way around.  Putting 10K worth of stuff on the shelves so it's "in stock" is pretty hard in these times.  And despite what people "say", I don't think there are a bunch of folks wanting to order stuff daily from SM (or anywhere).  Lots of talk, but...


Title: Re: what is up with speedymoto????????
Post by: hcomp on December 28, 2009, 08:51:13 AM
As a manufacturer, I can tell you right now it is a real pregnant dog to get stuff machined, cut or bent in this economic down turn.  A lot of the shops that do fab and /or machining have gone out of business.  So we are now left with a few places to choose from and the turn around time is exponentially longer to get pieces made.  If you are also doing small production, your order gets pushed back if a large production run comes in.  This recession sucks.


Title: Re: what is up with speedymoto????????
Post by: wingnut on December 28, 2009, 09:04:33 AM
Thanks for the link, I'll give them a shot.


Title: Re: what is up with speedymoto????????
Post by: scduc on December 28, 2009, 12:47:16 PM
If you can get accurate cad files, I can have my shop machine them. I find it hard to believe that Speedymoto has an out-side shop do there work. And if they do it in house, then they have some serious issues. Any way, I have given it some thought and I will most likely start drawing some stuff up. I think things like triples would be fairly simple ( 1 surface with a flip for the frok clamps.)


Title: Re: what is up with speedymoto????????
Post by: ungeheuer on December 30, 2009, 01:57:50 AM
.....Putting 10K worth of stuff on the shelves so it's "in stock" is pretty hard in these times.....
Agreed.  So, take my order and gimme a realistic timeline for delivery.  Even if they build to order, supply is too slow and ad hoc.  I like their stuff a lot, have bought their stuff (rather than just talked about buying) but having waited whilst ETAs for shipping get ever postponed...... I tend now to shop elsewhere.  Which is a shame, coz as I said I think they make great stuff.  Times may indeed be hard, but they're gonna get harder if real buyers like myself are turned away from great product made by fine craftsmen due to production delays.  Pity.


Title: Re: what is up with speedymoto????????
Post by: Monstermash on December 30, 2009, 05:26:06 AM
Isn't this exactly what happened to Cyclecat? And where are they now?  [bang]


Title: Re: what is up with speedymoto????????
Post by: ducpainter on December 30, 2009, 05:34:25 AM
Isn't this exactly what happened to Cyclecat? And where are they now?  [bang]
Pretty much...

except it doesn't seem like there is anyone to step in like Speedymoto did


Title: Re: what is up with speedymoto????????
Post by: b. on December 30, 2009, 07:00:09 AM
I agree their manufacturing delays are frustrating, but they're definitely still making products.  I order through my local dealer who seems to be able to keep good stock of SM frame sliders and clutch covers.  I had to wait a few weeks for SM to make a batch of top triples, but I did receive it earlier this month via my dealer.

If you're willing to wait, but need another place to buy from other than SM's website, shoot me a PM and I will forward you my local dealer's contact info.


Title: Re: what is up with speedymoto????????
Post by: DarkStaR on December 30, 2009, 07:05:30 AM
Flashback to what happened to Cyclecat:

Quote from: Alfred
In a nutshell, what happened is that it took us 6 years to fully develop and design the products, and get them all into full production. During that time, we invested a ton of money into the business, and did not earn a return. Ironically, even before we became profitable with Cycle Cat, we had to increase production capacity, which we addressed by moving production to Cleveland, onto much larger machines.

At the same time, having difficult cash flow over several years eventually makes it difficult to justify and achieve continuing investment, regardless of how well received the products are. We had to find other ways to generate income. We began importing, distributing, and retailing related products through our sister companies, Moto Millennia and Oncycles.

These businesses began to grow, but had also required seed and nurture capital. Inter-alia, production scheduling of Cycle Cat became problematic, and our partner company in Cleveland ran into problems both with the scheduling of their machines and with the financial requirements of production.

The result was a demand for capital on our part, from several sides of the business at once, which we could not meet. Taking all the variables into account, the most logical solution, and the solution we could effect most rapidly and directly was to slow or cease production of Cycle Cat products, and focus resources elsewhere. That's what we did, and we expected it to be very short term.

The term proved longer than we expected, and though we tried to be realistic in projecting future production, again and again we were proved overly optimistic. We ultimately decided to stop disappointing people, and consider the product line (except stands, sliders, and a few clutch covers) dormant. It was a bitter pill, but one we felt needed to be swallowed in good faith, for our customers.

Today, the capital situation is much improved, but not yet where it needs to be to get back into the business in a quality way. That is, if and when we again produce Cycle Cat products, there will not be backorders, and there will be no disappointments. Until we can do it consistently to that standard, we won't do it.

Thanks for asking. It means a lot to us.

Best-

Alfred


Title: Re: what is up with speedymoto????????
Post by: Triple J on December 30, 2009, 07:08:22 AM
Ducati Seattle carries Speedymoto stuff. Might be worth giving them a call if you're looking for something.


Title: Re: what is up with speedymoto????????
Post by: scduc on December 30, 2009, 01:50:52 PM
Its not the economy that is causeing the issues for SM. I work in a fairly small tool shop and we've  had issues with money flow. We did many things to improve the situation. We currently have customers with small pockets and low quantity production runs. Yet we still make profit and also make sure they make profit. As far as the whole inventory thing goes, some of that is true, however when you start to manage work flow properly and have the right people in the right places, you can achieve great things. Companies that "put all thier eggs in one basket" have great difficulty when things get tough. We've adapted the whole lean manufacturing concept and it does work. Motorcycles parts for the most part are not complicated. Yes time and money needs to be spend to keep up to date with model years. With certain practices in place, we can run highly detailed parts(with full inspection), pull a fixture and make a completely differnt part. This can happen many times a day and still be profitable.


Title: Re: what is up with speedymoto????????
Post by: kopfjäger on December 30, 2009, 08:45:11 PM
Isn't this exactly what happened to Cyclecat? And where are they now?  [bang]

The folks behind Cycle-Cat had alot of other business ventures as well. The moto parts were a small part of their business. afaik


Title: Re: what is up with speedymoto????????
Post by: ungeheuer on December 30, 2009, 10:49:57 PM
I agree their manufacturing delays are frustrating, but they're definitely still making products.  I order through my local dealer who seems to be able to keep good stock of SM frame sliders and clutch covers.  I had to wait a few weeks for SM to make a batch of top triples, but I did receive it earlier this month via my dealer.

If you're willing to wait, but need another place to buy from other than SM's website, shoot me a PM and I will forward you my local dealer's contact info.
Jeff at monsterparts  >> http://www.monsterparts.com/mm5/merchant.mvc? (http://www.monsterparts.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?) << also seems to keep some SM stuff in stock, but check with him first coz if he has to wait on SM to deliver, then your groundhogday is set to continue.


Title: Re: what is up with speedymoto????????
Post by: Bill in OKC on December 31, 2009, 06:41:00 AM
Recently received a SpeedyMoto water pump cover.  I really like their quality and the parts they offer.  It is good stuff if you can find it.  I'm hoping to eventually get the billet Monster triples - and then I'm done modding [roll]  lol


Title: Re: what is up with speedymoto????????
Post by: desmoworks on December 31, 2009, 12:17:07 PM
Recently received a SpeedyMoto water pump cover.  I really like their quality and the parts they offer.  It is good stuff if you can find it.  I'm hoping to eventually get the billet Monster triples - and then I'm done modding [roll]  lol

I've got a grey set of Monster triples in stock that were installed, but then uninstalled (really long story). They are in perfect condition. I'll make you a KILLER deal on them... like 40% off retail.


Title: Re: what is up with speedymoto????????
Post by: DarkStaR on December 31, 2009, 12:22:31 PM
I've got a grey set of Monster triples in stock that were installed, but then uninstalled (really long story). They are in perfect condition. I'll make you a KILLER deal on them... like 40% off retail.

Are Is that top and bottom?


Title: Re: what is up with speedymoto????????
Post by: desmoworks on December 31, 2009, 12:25:09 PM
I think it's the other way around.  Putting 10K worth of stuff on the shelves so it's "in stock" is pretty hard in these times.  And despite what people "say", I don't think there are a bunch of folks wanting to order stuff daily from SM (or anywhere).  Lots of talk, but...

The business is there. We were selling $10K/month in SpeedyMoto products until we couldn't get them reliably anymore. That isn't a huge amount, but we are just one small retailer in a long list of retailers. There is a steady demand for the product, but they ran into issues and couldn't keep the supply up.

We dropped them from our catalog as I couldn't expect my customers to wait 6 weeks for frame sliders and I got tired of telling people a delivery date and then not having the products delivered on time. It gets embarrassing and it wears on you to have to catch shit from customers who are tired of waiting when the wait is completely out of your control!

I hope they figure it out and get back on track as I like the products and the people at SpeedyMoto, but the service just isn't there! If they work it out we'll be carrying their products again.

In the mean time I'm just now picking up EVR to have a full range of clutch covers, pressure plates, spring caps + more technical parts like slipper clutches, slave cylinders and air boxes.

They are a legit company who can supply the products they offer. The other day I ordered 80 pressure plates, 160 clutch covers, 100 spring cap kits, 30 slave cylinders, 30 slipper clutches, 10 carbon airboxes, etc... and they said it will all be ready to ship in 2 weeks. With SpeedyMoto we couldn't get 5 clutch covers in 2 weeks!


Title: Re: what is up with speedymoto????????
Post by: desmoworks on December 31, 2009, 12:29:56 PM
Are that top and bottom?

Yeah, for the S2R/S4R - but I just realized I only have black handlebar clamps to go with them so they can be sold without risers for anyone who wants all grey or with the black risers.


Title: Re: what is up with speedymoto????????
Post by: TAftonomos on December 31, 2009, 12:57:12 PM
The business is there. We were selling $10K/month in SpeedyMoto products until we couldn't get them reliably anymore. That isn't a huge amount, but we are just one small retailer in a long list of retailers. There is a steady demand for the product, but they ran into issues and couldn't keep the supply up.

We dropped them from our catalog as I couldn't expect my customers to wait 6 weeks for frame sliders and I got tired of telling people a delivery date and then not having the products delivered on time. It gets embarrassing and it wears on you to have to catch shit from customers who are tired of waiting when the wait is completely out of your control!

I hope they figure it out and get back on track as I like the products and the people at SpeedyMoto, but the service just isn't there! If they work it out we'll be carrying their products again.

In the mean time I'm just now picking up EVR to have a full range of clutch covers, pressure plates, spring caps + more technical parts like slipper clutches, slave cylinders and air boxes.

They are a legit company who can supply the products they offer. The other day I ordered 80 pressure plates, 160 clutch covers, 100 spring cap kits, 30 slave cylinders, 30 slipper clutches, 10 carbon airboxes, etc... and they said it will all be ready to ship in 2 weeks. With SpeedyMoto we couldn't get 5 clutch covers in 2 weeks!

You guys are doing well then, better than most!

Selling 10K worth of product (retail) is vastly different than having 10K worth of product ready to ship (wholesale) to your distributor though...unless your business plan is completely out of whack.  I don't know what the markup is on billet duc parts, but it's probably a lot more than 30%...


Title: Re: what is up with speedymoto????????
Post by: scduc on December 31, 2009, 12:57:48 PM
"SpeedyMoto" if you are out there, think about outsourcing some of your work. If the issue lies in the area that you yourself cant meet demand, then put the pressure on someone else. I'm sure there are many machining shops in your area that will bend over backwards to get some work. Even if it is only 1 or 2 products. If you can get someone else to help when the demand is high, you should never be behind. Face it, places like SP an Riz. make a killing on selling $300 triples that use $10 of aluminum. Having someone else eat a little profit means nothing compared to customers going elsewhere. You want to stay in business and make profit? Figure out a way to get it done.  P.S. hire me. I will make it happen for you.


Title: Re: what is up with speedymoto????????
Post by: xcaptainxbloodx on December 31, 2009, 02:49:32 PM
About 6 months ago, I was told the reason for the delay was that production had been ramped down during the recession and they were trying to ramp things up again. I doubt they would still be catching up from that, though.

Last spring I tried to order tall boys and was told 3 months to get them. I waited 3 months then received a call to tell me it was "looking like another 3 months". I cancelled my order and went with tomaselli (which was more what I had in mind anyway).  It was that or miss the riding season waiting for speedymoto.


Title: Re: what is up with speedymoto????????
Post by: caperix on December 31, 2009, 02:59:48 PM
Are there any other sources for 53mm monster top tripples?  I have a set of 998 forks waiting to install on my monster that I just need a top tripple for.  I have been cautious about ordering out of stock parts sence a retailer took my money for a set of termi's and ran.


Title: Re: what is up with speedymoto????????
Post by: desmoworks on December 31, 2009, 03:07:11 PM
You guys are doing well then, better than most!

Selling 10K worth of product (retail) is vastly different than having 10K worth of product ready to ship (wholesale) to your distributor though...unless your business plan is completely out of whack.  I don't know what the markup is on billet duc parts, but it's probably a lot more than 30%...

A company like SpeedyMoto, who acts as a manufacturer and distributor, should have a minimum of $100K worth of product on the shelf at wholesale - ALL the time. When we were selling SM we'd keep somewhere between $5-$10K at cost on the shelf all the time. Even as a retailer you have to in order to be successful with a product like that.

It just doesn't work if you don't have inventory. As an example - I import ZARD exhaust. I keep 130-150 exhausts in stock on the shelf at all times (144 on the shelf as I type this). If I tell customers it is going to be 4-6 weeks they won't purchase the exhaust in most cases. Same goes for smaller items like clutch covers. Who is going to wait several weeks when there are 10+ other companies out there who do have inventory.



Title: Re: what is up with speedymoto????????
Post by: desmoworks on December 31, 2009, 03:12:38 PM
"SpeedyMoto" if you are out there, think about outsourcing some of your work. If the issue lies in the area that you yourself cant meet demand, then put the pressure on someone else. I'm sure there are many machining shops in your area that will bend over backwards to get some work. Even if it is only 1 or 2 products. If you can get someone else to help when the demand is high, you should never be behind. Face it, places like SP an Riz. make a killing on selling $300 triples that use $10 of aluminum. Having someone else eat a little profit means nothing compared to customers going elsewhere. You want to stay in business and make profit? Figure out a way to get it done.  P.S. hire me. I will make it happen for you.

I don't think that is the issue - in fact they picked up another machine earlier this year so they are capable of producing a lot of parts and in the past were able to keep the shelves full - when demand was much higher than it is now.

I am only speculating, but I think it is a simple cash flow issue. My guess is that when the cash flow slowed they didn't have the money to purchase enough raw materials which starts a chain of events that ends with MAJOR delays in production and even more cash flow issues as products are getting finished and paid for. Again, that is speculation on my part, but it is all I can figure out that makes sense as I know they are capable of producing enough parts to meet the demand - they did it in the past.

I hope a new year will bring something good for them to help them get back on track, but as most predict - I don't think the motorcycle business is going to recover in 2010 at all...  :-X


Title: Re: what is up with speedymoto????????
Post by: DarkStaR on December 31, 2009, 03:14:13 PM
"SpeedyMoto" if you are out there, think about outsourcing some of your work. If the issue lies in the area that you yourself cant meet demand, then put the pressure on someone else. I'm sure there are many machining shops in your area that will bend over backwards to get some work. Even if it is only 1 or 2 products. If you can get someone else to help when the demand is high, you should never be behind. Face it, places like SP an Riz. make a killing on selling $300 triples that use $10 of aluminum. Having someone else eat a little profit means nothing compared to customers going elsewhere. You want to stay in business and make profit? Figure out a way to get it done.  P.S. hire me. I will make it happen for you.

 ;)  :P  [cheeky]

Quote from: http://www.speedymoto.com/careerops/
Career Opportunities

We are now accepting applications for the following position:

Machinist/Programmer

Fast growing company with lots of opportunity seeking an intelligent multi-taskable programmer, machinist, and set-up person. This person will follow product development through all stages; from prototyping to developing robust manufacturing process. Fanuc and Haas controls for multi axis lathes and mills.
Must be able to generate good programs with NO hand-editing.

Experience with current version of Mastercam mill and lathe, Solidworks helpful. Must be self-motivated, a hard worker, and enjoy a liberal and dynamic work environment. The perfect candidate for this position would be someone with a passion for both motorcycles and manufacturing.
Salary DOE. Full time days.

Please send your resume or questions to info@houserworksllc.com


Title: Re: what is up with speedymoto????????
Post by: desmoworks on December 31, 2009, 03:32:53 PM
Here you go - a shot of the machine room  [thumbsup]

(http://houserworksllc.com/images/shopfloor.jpg)


Title: Re: what is up with speedymoto????????
Post by: ungeheuer on January 01, 2010, 02:04:46 AM
.....I am only speculating, but I think it is a simple cash flow issue. My guess is that when the cash flow slowed they didn't have the money to purchase enough raw materials which starts a chain of events that ends with MAJOR delays in production and even more cash flow issues as products are getting finished and paid for. Again, that is speculation on my part, but it is all I can figure out that makes sense as I know they are capable of producing enough parts to meet the demand - they did it in the past.
Yup.  I also think this is the most likely reason for their production/supply issues.

...I hope they figure it out and get back on track as I like the products and the people at SpeedyMoto.....
+1


Title: Re: what is up with speedymoto????????
Post by: ungeheuer on January 03, 2010, 09:18:08 PM
Why is it that speedymoto is perpetually out of stock on virtually everything monster related?  I've even contacted them about future availability of their top triple and clip-ons only to get a response a week later with "a few weeks out".  I replied asking to please let me know when they come available and, going on 6 months now, still nothing.
WTF ?????
Here am I joining in the "speedymoto-are-a-slow-bunch-of-@!#$#" chorus and yet when I actually checked SM's website... they're showing both clear ano and black ano monster top triples as IN STOCK!  Only stopintime's Ti-Grey (why cant you Americans spell  ;)) top triple is on the gone missing until further notice manifest.......  >> http://www.speedymoto.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=MTC (http://www.speedymoto.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=MTC)


Title: Re: what is up with speedymoto????????
Post by: stopintime on January 04, 2010, 01:16:40 PM
I emailed Christian and asked him "what's up".

Obviously 2009 was a tough year and they had to adjust their operation. You know, keep it lean plus holding new parts projects off for a while.

He sounded optimistic about their situation, but my guess is that it will take time to recover and get back. Much like the rest of the world economy. As ungeheuer found out, some parts are back in stock, that's a good first sign [thumbsup]


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