Ducati Monster Forum

I have been looking for the last few months at buying 900 monster, I would like something 2000 onwards.

I have come accorss the following at team moto, looks like its been unregistered for a year, thoughts?

http://www.teammoto.com.au/used_bikes.php?action=view_stock&order=price&orderdir=ASC&pNum=1&pLimit=10&make_id=21&model_id=773&stock_id=C03813 (http://www.teammoto.com.au/used_bikes.php?action=view_stock&order=price&orderdir=ASC&pNum=1&pLimit=10&make_id=21&model_id=773&stock_id=C03813)

Im in Tassie in the south and it doesn't help seeing yellow mennie all the time!!

Hello there Lowra  :D

I'm glad to have been somewhat of an inspiration to you  ;)



Have you actually inspected the bike? How do you know it's been unregistered for a year?

Obviously, being at a "dealership", the price is already too high.
The tail has been chopped, which might make getting a roadworthy difficult. But I spose they would have to sort that out in the shop anyway.
There is no bikini fairing.
There is no tail cowling.
Km's are reasonable, although mine had half that, just over a year ago when I bought her.

I don't believe it is an actual "S" model:
   Looks like it has adjustable Marzocchi's up front - good.
   But is should also have an adjustable Ohlins rear  :-\
   The rear hugger should also be CF. No biggie, you can get a short one anyway.
   The rear brake caliper should be positioned under the rotor and connected to the engine block via an arm.

I think someone may have been a bit sneaky and put the 900Sie sticker on the side  ;)

None of these points area actually "bad" points. From the pics it looks like a clean and tidy machine.
Hopefully you can use this info to knock a grand or so off the price.
If you walk in there with "model specific" info, they will at least think you know what you are talking about  [laugh]
       

Bloody hell, thats alot of information, thankyou

I sent off an email for pictures and got 4 phone calls instead, one from their 'marketing manager', I guess they are keen for a sale.

NSW Transport shows that rego expired junuary 2009, which makes me wonder if has been someones project hence the questionable sideways stickers on the side covers and no seat cover etc.

Is tail chop an isue with Tassie reg?

Price seams ok if they can cover six months rego and transport to Tassie (which I doubt they would) which would make it easier on me and leaves the rest of my budget for some nice pipes.

Another Tassie monster would be great.

I'd be looking for a documented service history first. You want to know its been looked after and had its belt changes and valve clearances done to schedule.

I'm sure one of the friendly Sydney crew will go and cast an eye over it for you. (they offered to look at a few bikes for me when I was shopping).

BTW I purchased mine from Sydney and had it sent down so if you have any questions about how I did it, feel free to ask.

i'd say keep looking, the tail chop is illegal, and while plenty of people like them there's no going back and modifying the frame is a no no, you shouldn't be able to get it registered. it's not an "S" it doesn't have the alloy swingarm, it does have the hoop rear suspension, which means it's based on the 888 frame and rear suspension geometry, from 2000 onwards have a ride height rod and are based on the ST series frames and are better in every way. I've seen a few of these imported from japan of all places so make sure it's an official import with an australian compliance plate, as yellow meanie has said there's no seat cowl or bikini fairing, which were std on the "S". lots of klms, if it has a full service history and a warranty book then maybe, without it? i wouldn't touch it.
it's a buyers market so i'd shop around, there's plenty of good monsters around, worth remembering too that newer smaller capacity bikes make the same HP that the carbed 900 did, you may pay a little more than for the right bike but usually you get what you pay for and i still say that 900 is overpriced by about $1500 and that's just after a quick look, i doubt it would improve after a proper inspection.

paul.

some 800's
http://www.bikepoint.com.au/all-bikes/results.aspx?Ns=p_RankSort_Int32%7C1%7C%7Cp_Make_String%7C0%7C%7Cp_Model_String%7C0%7C%7Cp_YearMade_Int32%7C1%7C%7Cp_PriceSort_Decimal%7C1&N=1432+604+1428+4294967242+4294965504&TabID=2207444&keywords=&Nne=15 (http://www.bikepoint.com.au/all-bikes/results.aspx?Ns=p_RankSort_Int32%7C1%7C%7Cp_Make_String%7C0%7C%7Cp_Model_String%7C0%7C%7Cp_YearMade_Int32%7C1%7C%7Cp_PriceSort_Decimal%7C1&N=1432+604+1428+4294967242+4294965504&TabID=2207444&keywords=&Nne=15)

the middle one already has carbon hi-rise pipes too.
just examples of what else is out there.

paul.

Thanks Paul,

that second 800 does look nice, I guess I can be a new age man and admit the lower capacity is not an issue...

I do really like low pipes though.... has anyone modded these from High rise in the past?

Sorry if this question offends anyone.

that bike is a 2001 model - silver engine, late model clutch slave.  it has an alloy swingarm - you can see the stand pick ups that the steel arms never had.  right forks, should have a showa shock i think in 2001 - only the 1998 and 2000 had ohlins from memory.  should have a screen tho.  you could get the vin and call nfi - they'd be able to tell you.

the tail chop thing is an issue depending on who is doing the inspecting.  i used to knock them back when doing rwc and usually the result was lots of whining.  it does have std mufflers so i'd say they've made it as stock as they can and hope no one asks too many questions.  like the dealership i used to work at, they may let things out on sales deals that wouldn't get a rwc as a walk in.  my boss could also sign rwc, and he'd do the ones i refused to.  you could ask them to guarantee that it'll be ok, but that won't be much help when they're 2,000km away and you can't get it registered.  you can usually hide enough of it with std plastic bits to cover up welded on tubes - we had to do that a couple of times.  as long as it looks ok and doesn't wobble.  like keeping std mufflers, people who throw all the removed bits away are going to have issues in the future as the rego systems get tighter.

if they want to move it you could demand all the required plastic bits for the tail and the screen and use paul's price guide.  see how keen they are.

800's go almost as well as 900s did.

whoops, you're right it is an alloy swingarm (hangover! that's my excuse.....) thought they went to the later frame in 2000 though?

paul.

I like the early 2000's FI bikes, they get the stiffer frame, more power....I wanted a m800 as my first but they were as rare as hens teeth in the 6 month period I searched (goldie's was one of very few I ever heard of!). The classic monsters are lovely looking things  [thumbsup]

Went looking for more bikes and found the same one again....

Same rego number and K's on bikesales, now with seat cover and has become a 2001 model and $1850 more expensive.

http://www.bikesales.com.au/all-bikes/dealer/details.aspx?R=7968894&__Qpb=true&Cr=4&__Ns=p_PriceSort_Decimal (http://www.bikesales.com.au/all-bikes/dealer/details.aspx?R=7968894&__Qpb=true&Cr=4&__Ns=p_PriceSort_Decimal)|0||p_Make_String|0||p_Model_String|0&keywords=&__No=75&__N=1432%20604%201430%201429%201428%204294967242%20752%20687&silo=1400&PriceTo=687&seot=1&PriceFrom=752&__Nne=15&trecs=100&__sid=125EB95D8A06

I guess I will avoid this.

It's a 2001 Sie, same as mine  [thumbsup]

- Showas up front
- No CF rear hugger on the 2001 Sie (ie is Fuel Injection in case you didn't know)
- Rear caliper is on top and that is an alloy swing arm
- It also has the "prettier" KTM designed oil cooler that the 2000 didn't have.
- CF clutch cover is non standard (but I have the same mod, found the open cover too rattly, CF cover lets a bit mroe of the sound out than the stock cover does [prepares for flaming]  :P )

As others have said, it should have the red seat cowl and bikini fairing as these were std on the 01 Sie, and yes the tail is chopped, depends if thats your thing or not. I love the look, just fear potential rego hassles and maybe a wet(ter) butt in the rain.

Re: the price,I was goin to say that 7.9 seemed pretty good as most of them were between 9 - 10 when I was looking a year ago, thought if you could haggle closer to 7 it would be a good thing if you were OK with the tail chop as most carbied 900s are in the 6-7 range. Seems they're "corrected" that in the bike sales listing....bugger

FYI I got mine for 7.2 which I thought was a bargain at the time (35,000 ks, stock except for Ti Termignonis  [thumbsup] and ventura rack, full service history, new clutch and bearings all round) but I had to drive to Cobar (about 10 hours from Sydney to get it!!)

Anyway I'll stop ranting about mine now other than to say I love it!

Happy New Year and good luck with the search!

Andy

Love my M800's - both of them, although the current one (an 03 Sie) is the one I'd prefer...

My bike is now officially never for sale - it's Nemo's bike, and he's letting me ride it until he can reach the rearsets...
And now the (casual for the moment) search for my new ride - I have a few years before he will claim it.

the first ST series based frame was the 2001 S4, which had an alloy swingarm, 5.9m ecu and immobilisor.  all other 2001 monsters (600, 750, 900ie) were the old frame.

2002 all monsters had the ST based frame with either the ST2/ST4 steel swingarm or the S4 alloy swingarm (which also was fitted to the ST4S) and the 5.9m ecu - 620ie, 750ie, 900ie.  none of the late alloy swingarms have stand bobbins.  first 800 was 2003, spec ranged from basic dark to s - not sure how flash the suspension offered was on the s model.

M900ie (ZDM904A2Kxxxxxx engine number) have the close ratio gearbox that i find annoying when it comes to the city versus highway gearing compromise, and even tho the 800 has a 6 speed it's ratio spread is closer to the close ratio 6 speed than the wide ratio 6 speed with a big gap from 1st to 2nd.  apart from that i quite like them.

Good info Brad! I did not know there was different gearing ratios used..

I have a 03 M800S and it's forks are the non adjustable Marzocchi type, has goldline capliers and the coffin masters. I'm pretty sure the only upgrade to the S was the Al swingarm (abd maybe some carbon side panels)

m1000 to 1000s had 4 changes

carbon sidepanels
showa adjustable forks
aluminium swingarm
fairings

wonder if the 800 was the same?

Until Ducati recently make the beast with two backsed up their website you probably could have got a pretty good answer from the 'archived bikes' section.

But from memory on the 'girls' bikes the 'S' models was about aesthetics ... on a Monster, ha ... who'da thunk it!

I think (again from my poor memory and with no particular interest in such things at the time) when Jukie got her 620 (2002), the 620S came with (extra over the base model):
. the bikini fairing (both inluded the seat cowl)
. a higher seat (in other words it had all the padding of the bigger bikes)
. some carbon fibre bits

Although I think the price difference was about $1000 so I certainly wouldn't rule out some other difference (swingarm or rear suspension) but I doubt it would extend to adjustable forks.

 [roll] [laugh]

Of course the website lists both the 620 and 620S for 2002 (had not been my experience for searches of other models/years).

Website confirms aluminium swinger on the 'S' model but suspension seems the same.

thanks brad, my S4 was an '01 so that's where i got the idea they were all the ST frame. [thumbsup]


paul

ha! this is turning into the old 'model comparison' thread on TOB....really good fun to pull out the old catalogs and log the data:

                          2004     2005     2006     2007     2008     2009     2010


m620 dark          X          X
m620                 X          X           X
695                                                          X           X
696                                                                       X           X         X

m800                 X
S2r800 dark                   X           X
S2r800                          X           X           X

m1000s             X          X
S2r1000                                     X            X            X           
1100                                                                                  X           X
1100s                                                                                 X           X

S4r                   X           X           X
S4r t                                                        X            X
S4r s                                          X            X            X

stats:


                                seat height (")   Fuel         Dry Weight (p / kg)    HP      Torque (kgm / nm)
   
600:                         30.3                  4.2 / 16            383 / 174          51       5.1 / 50
620:                         30.3                  3.9 / 15            390 / 177          60       5.4 / 53.3
695:                         30.3                  3.6 / 14            370 / 168          63       6.2
696:                         30.3                  3.8 / 15            355 / 161          80       7


750                           30.3                 3.9 / 15             394 / 179          64      6.3  / 62
m800                        30.3                 3.9 / 15             394 / 179          73       7    / 69
S2r800                      31.5                 3.6 / 14             381 / 173          77       7.4


m900
m900sie                    31.5                 3.9 / 15             416 / 189          78       7.4 / 73


m1000                      31.5                 3.9 / 15             416 / 189           94       9.6 / 84
S2r1000                    31.5                 3.6 / 14             392 / 178           96       9.6 / 84
1100 / s                    31.9                 3.8 / 15             373 / 169           95       10.5


s4                             31.6                 4.4 / 16.5         423 / 193            101      9.3  / 92
s4 Fogarty                 31.6                 4.4 / 16.5         414 / 189            110      ?
s4r                            31.5                 3.9 / 15            425 / 193            113      10.1 / 95.5
s4r t / s                     31.5                 3.6 / 13.5         390 / 177            130      10.6 /

^note: in 2004 Ducati started using different measuring which is why the old sheet and the new don't marry well, dry weight was altered and HP was at the crankcase NOT the back wheel, torque was also altered that year

^note: bought a year 2000 catalog and turns out the 900 was IE that year as well. Would love a 2003 catalog!

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bloody hell!

relax, I had it sitting around....it was something 'we' of the new board wanted to do, take the old model comparison and update it.....I prepared all the data....for statler nut I don't think he ever got the time to program the html side of things.

and then the hard part is putting in the changes from year to year of all the models!!!!

I might add 900ie onto it tomorrow (the 900 series has so many iterations in its 9 year history)

This looks good :)

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Ducati-S2R-800-Monster_W0QQitemZ220531531030QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Motorcycles?hash=item3358b41d16 (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Ducati-S2R-800-Monster_W0QQitemZ220531531030QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Motorcycles?hash=item3358b41d16)

And it would be a fun riding it home  ;)

Nine year history?  Mine's a '93, it's now 2010.  Even if we end last year, that's 16 years of 900cc Monster history.  Unless you're not counting years where there was no 900cc model, but that'd be wrong wouldn't it? 

started 93, finished 02.....that's nine years or ten years inclusive.....they have been manufactured for nine years, not frickin 16....the m1000 has a  3 year history. Feel free to give me the updated info for the 2009 900s!

Oops, sorry.  I didn't realize they weren't being made still.

Newb here going quiet again, in shame.  =)

That one doesn't sound/look too bad. No I'm not in the market for another. Although it does have a lot less kms than my 05 bike.

Interesting how in the description he's selling in favour of marital harmony  :-\ Remember the other bloke who was selling (a sedici I think  ???) for the same reason and the general consenus over a multitude of emails on his ebay site was to keep the bike and trade the wife?  [thumbsup]

I really don't understand this 'it's me or the bike' deal but then I don't have a wife (or husband) to force me into such crap choices.

There, there Spider, sounds like someone's been poking your hole with a stick.

I don't get this mentality either.
It should be for better, for worse, for long rides apart or together (on separate bikes ;)). ;D

he didn't use the emoticons, I take that it's serious without a  :D or a  [cheeky] or even a  [evil]

anyway, you can piss off and 'paint' your catalytic converter! you....ah....old, um...poker....you  :-*

I am still looking and still after help if thats ok.

I spoke to Team Moto, the price was exclusive for rego, even though i thought any motor vechile advertised had to include a complete price inclusive of rego.

Anyway they say since it has a guard over the wheel that the tail chop is legal..... and have no service history

Body work is gone, they are saying that it looks like neither the seat or top fairing have ever been installed and looking at $700 for freight to Tassie which may be reasonable for the freight but makes this too expensive for a 2000 model (compliance plate 08 2000).

Otherwise on trading post today we have http://www.tradingpost.com.au/Automotive/Motorbikes/Road-Bikes/AdNumber=D636000212297?BackToResult=true&AdOnTop= (http://www.tradingpost.com.au/Automotive/Motorbikes/Road-Bikes/AdNumber=D636000212297?BackToResult=true&AdOnTop=)

which is a nice looking 1000 just in my price range, which I am currently waiting for some more images and details such as service history.

As per the picture some nice extras included, if this is a 1000s ie again is it meant to have seat cover and top fairing?

Comments on the 1000, complete with stamp duty, 6 months Vic rego and freight would make this $11,000 before negotiations.

Hi lowraW

I am your man on this as i own a  2003 sie1000. [thumbsup]
 or possibly Spider as he owned one, his loss :'(

That one there is not the S model can tell buy the picture non adjusable front shocks.

Looking at my brochure the S version should have a colour matched fairing and rear seat cover carbon fibre exhaust guards (stock exhaust)and side panels fully adjusable front showa forks ,light weight aluminium swing arm.

But that not being an S model is to me  still not a bad price.
If  it has a good service history  and books .
Make an offer at least 1k less

And very important the RED KEY This model will have a red key.
Don't Buy  a Ducati  with a factory  immobiliser  without a red key

BECAUSE IF YOU LOSE  YOUR  BLACK KEYS YOUR LIFE IS OVER  

 To me the Dual spark(4 spark plugs) 2 valve engine released 2003 is the pick of the Heap if you want air cooled classic look, and simple to work on, well simple as can be for a Duc.
Also check if it has the open air box an preformance ecu to match the pipes.

Bazz's Bike S2R 1000 in Tassie
comes with history

http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=33662.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=33662.0)

RobS's got it, it's a lovely engine, very emotive and a great mixture between city manners and terrifyingly fast when required (on private roads, airfields etc).

Like all ducati's it will require your personality to ensure a bond is formed...and bling, they all love bling!

and the k's are good....mean's someone has been putting some miles on it and that's a lot better prospect than sitting in a garage for 5 years!!!

Well i received more information on the 1000 today, full service history is provided as well as owners books and rear seat cover.

I made an offer for $9500 including freight to Tassie (which was $350 extra) which was promptly rejected. I will wait to see if they call back.

I asked the question the if the 1000 was an S model with no clear reply, could this be a Senna model? was this ever sold in Australia? or is the grey a standard colour or a repainted dark?

I have also now received 10 phone calls from Moto... about the 900 and asked me if I was happy to go ahead with my offer on the bike (which I never made).

Can't get the Ducati  03 1000 monster page up any more. :-\

But my sales brochure list the the Dark in silver grey and matte black
no fluro red wheels.

The 1000 sie, Metalic grey and red fluro wheels specific to this model only and the 03 s4.

The give away it is not an S is the the non adjustable front forks.

Same engine and brakes. [thumbsup]

If the the bike shop is not a Ducati dealer they would not know what model it was.
And from my recent experience from a Ducati Dealer they will tell you any lies to sell it. :o >:(

Haven't seen a senna model?

You are keen buying a bike unseen. can't be that expensive to go to Melbourne for a day trip.

don't for get the red key.

Comes with red key so all good.

Yes I am stupid bike unseen but maybe I will have better luck unseen, the last car I brought which was a one owner Honda I had our mechanic check and I looked over it, did my research etc, 2 weeks latter I ended up having to have the fuel tank replaced, new fuel pump and injectors cleaned etc due to internal rust, a grand down the drain, good new was it didn't enter then engine....

But I have made money on the last two bikes I have sold so I seam to have some luck.

I know they did a Senna for the 916 back in 1995  and looks like their was a release in the states (they even had a matrix reloaded version of the monster, hope it was nothing like the movie) but still waiting for Spider to get bored and do a full Aussie monster list :)

won't happen mate....

but if you tell me what year (on the bike's chassis) I'll look it up in my brochures that I have...

(just got a 2000 year brochure this morning so might update the page later!)

...colours are right for factory paint job...but I can't find if it was a S or plain or both paint job. Only one shown must be an s as it has matching cowl and rear fairing.


in 2004 it was an s only paint job
in 2005 it was a normal and s model paint job


don't have the 2003 catalog!!!!! I've let you down

  I have an 03 catalouge ;D
 
   pricless [cheeky]

mate, tell me....is it a rectangle size, like 20cm x 32cm...how many pages?

Got from a guy in melbourne on ebay last july from memory,
wasn't you?
measures 300mmx210mm 12 pages. [coffee]

Seen another recently on ebay. keep looking :P

(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t70/robert3520/DSC02174.jpg?t=1263548718)

(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t70/robert3520/DSC02175.jpg?t=1263548792)

It's the Blue Bedspread and purple throw pillows that really sell it!  ;D

who's on the cover? male or female....and what 5 foot tall by the fact they are hanging of the bars?

yeah...2003....I'm still looking for the 'entire range' catalog...I've seen the 4 individual series ones like 04-07

Well I am still looking for a monster and after dealing with motorcycle shops I seam to get nowhere, they dont know their stock and aren't willing to move on price, its like they love their monster's to much to part with them!

I came across this today,

http://www.tradingpost.com.au/Automotive/Motorbikes-ATVs/Road-Bikes/AdNumber=TP003228333?BackToResult=true&AdOnTop= (http://www.tradingpost.com.au/Automotive/Motorbikes-ATVs/Road-Bikes/AdNumber=TP003228333?BackToResult=true&AdOnTop=)

The price seams ok, k's seam low and as I started out looking for, its a 900.

Can any one recommend shop/ dealership close by that I could pay to check over the bike, or is there a Brisbane member willing to look for beer? (there is a catch it would be Tasmanian beer)

I have a farking thick '03 DP catalogue if that's what we are talking about!

IowraW if you happen to find a Monster your interested in SA (unlikely - I had to go interstate to get mine), I would be happy to do some snooping around for you ;)

think thats the accessories catalog....I'm after the thick model catalog with all the bike data.

cheers big ears

OK, I might have that as well... I'll need to check...

anyone got a pre-2000 catalog?

give me the details for the 900 (when it had carbies) please, be interested what it's numbers were. cheers

(put the data for the 750 on there if their are any owners who care!)

Plenty of photos on that site, so he is not trying to hide anything, just need someone to have a look on your behalf.

C'MON you Queenslanders, pony-up (?)




                                    Mmick

Thanks for that Mmick, spoke to the owner, which the first owner and it has original k's.

Started life as a dark and everything except the exhaust is original. 

That also means 10 year old tyres, brakes, suspension etc and has been serviced at scheduled k's not k's and time, so 5000k's service done 18 months ago........

so time to leave this one alone.

so my two options are;

http://www.tradingpost.com.au/Automotive/Motorbikes-ATVs/Road-Bikes/AdNumber=TP003258116?BackToResult=true&AdOnTop= (http://www.tradingpost.com.au/Automotive/Motorbikes-ATVs/Road-Bikes/AdNumber=TP003258116?BackToResult=true&AdOnTop=)

http://www.tradingpost.com.au/Automotive/Motorbikes-ATVs/Road-Bikes/AdNumber=D636000212297?BackToResult=true&AdOnTop= (http://www.tradingpost.com.au/Automotive/Motorbikes-ATVs/Road-Bikes/AdNumber=D636000212297?BackToResult=true&AdOnTop=)

if you find another in se qld, i'll check it out for you, no worries.

paul.

I'm going to be in Portland end of next week if you want me to check this one out. It's about an hour away for Heatherp, not sure when she gets back though, plus I shouldn't "dob her in".

edit: Actually, the one at Clipstone Yamaha looks a bit better specced for the price. Could have a look at that for you next week too. (or is it? Where's Spiders list?)

Ok so it's in NSW (and a little expensive), but this has a few tastymods....

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/1998-Ducati-Monster-900S_W0QQitemZ290400727825QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Motorcycles?hash=item439d3b7311#ht_728wt_1167 (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/1998-Ducati-Monster-900S_W0QQitemZ290400727825QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Motorcycles?hash=item439d3b7311#ht_728wt_1167)

That looks like a sweet ride, especially if its running 'V' and not 'W' heads, since its not sold maybe a call to the seller could reap rewards.

Did see a couple of Monsters for sale in one of the Trader mags, happy hunting.





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