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Pulled my stock ECU tonight. I'll be shipping it out to Desmo-Porsche tomorrow for a re-flash to DP spec for $250.00. That's easily the best price I've found so I'm jumping on it. [moto]
Thanks to Vin for the heads-up! [thumbsup]

Beats what I paid for an FIM ecu... Nice find :) They do more than trim adjustments or what?

Amazing prices for new DP ECU  :o

What's the catch, because I would love to upgrade to DP ECU for my S4RS.

Can they do any other cool stuff along with the DP upgrade?  I remember the FIM ecu could use the check engine light as a blinking shift light - that would be kinda cool.

That is a good deal, especially if I could get the immobilizer disabled at the same time.

The website and ebay store show ~$400. It looks like this is for them to send you a new/remanufactured one. Is it less if you send yours in?

Thanks

This is one of the emails I got from them. For this kind of money I'm not sure why anyone would buy a new dash,ECU,lock-set. They even blow Silverback away. I'll be the Guinea-pig, my ECU is already on it's way to them. I'll report back when it returns. They can disable o2 and immobilizer or leave them active, your choice.

Hi,

Yes we do this in house.  If you send me your old ECU it will be $250.00 + shipping.  If you want to keep your core we have them on our website.

http://www.desmoporsche.com/product_info.php?products_id=273 (http://www.desmoporsche.com/product_info.php?products_id=273)

 

Ride Safe & Often

 
Bobby

 
t: 713-222-2332

f: 713-222-2173

m: 832-715-1284

w: www.desmoporsche.com (http://) (http://) (http://) (http://) (http://)

e: bobby@desmoporsche.com

Please do keep us posted...I cannot believe what a good price it is.
The cynic in me wants to say it 's too good...but then again, many seems to have cracked the ECU code... [bow_down]

Best of luck and we look forward to your review!

Is this going to be a plug and play setup? You tell them what exhaust and air box and they re-flash ECU. You reinstall and all is good with the world?

I believe it is just a flash to the DP Termi kit ECU spec. I plan on getting a PC3 if I go with pods but I have talked to others that say the Termi map works with a full system and open air-box. I mainly want the O2 and immobilizer gone, the richer map is just icing. As plug and play as the DP ECU.

With the money saved I'll also be buying the $200 VDSTS software so I can reset TPS and adjust trim on my own.

I asked them about my setup plans:

and this was the response:

It sounds like they have this, but there wasn't much to the answer...

Bobby is the real deal.  Good guy/he'll take care of you. 

He's done ECU work for me before, always happy  [thumbsup]

I believe Monstermash also does ECU work as well, and he's a sponsor!  [drink]

I thought MonsterMash stopped doing ECUs?

I'm curious to see how this works out. I have been needing to have mine flashed for a while to remove the immobilizer so that I can install a new gauge pod. The best price i could find was $300 back in last June from the Ducati Depot. They offer a guarantee with their work.

http://www.ducatidepot.com/ducati-depot-ecu-programing.php (http://www.ducatidepot.com/ducati-depot-ecu-programing.php)

Here is the email I received.

Walter,
No problem, we can get you set up with those parameters.  If you provide your ecu, the cost is $300 (shipping included back to you via USPS Express). If you need us to provide the ecu core, the cost is $450 (same terms).  BTW, all service is guaranteed to work or your money back.  Currently the turn-around time is 2-3 weeks, so please be sure to take that into consideration as well.

Let me know if you are interested and I can get you started.  Thanks for the email.  Regards,

Tom Eubank
www.ducatidepot.com (http://)

O yeah Don't forget to have the TPS reset after you install the ECU.  [thumbsup]

Way to take one for the team.  Bookmarked......

Let us know how it works out.

I tried to buy a frame from that guy a while back....  Was on ebay 2-3 times for $500, didn't sell.  When I emailed him he said the price was $750.  I asked about the $500 ebay price...he didn't respond.  When he emailed me back asking if I wanted to buy it, I told I had found one at Gotham for $500....  he went bi-polar on me, banned me from bidding/buying from him on ebay, and left me a few (at least 2) ranting emails about how blah blah blah is ruining this and that, and I've been doing it longer.

Therefore, DesmoPorsche gets my biz, and he's $50 cheaper to boot  [thumbsup]

Received a Paypal email that Desmo-Porsche had submitted the invoice for payment just like Bobby explained to me. He stated in the email that I would get the bill once the work was completed, hopefull that means my ECU will be in the mail soon. [clap]

I'd better get to looking at VDSTS software!

Thanks for the info  [thumbsup]

VDSTS ordered today from CA-Cycleworks  [thumbsup]
Thanks Candice!

Will the DP ECU reflash work well with any open exhaust and open airbox?  Just take the top off the airbox or chop it?

I just took mine off and ran zip ties from clip to clip across the filter to hold it in.  That way it is reversible if you want to reverse it.  It looks a little like ass though.  I'm planning to go to pods eventually and this way I will have a stock airbox to sell or put back on the bike when/if I sell it.

I chopped it. Just left enough for the clips to rest against. I don't think the K&N seals well enough by itself.

Let us know how the reflash goes, if you have a good experience with this I think I'm next in line.

The zip ties are real snug and the recommendation came from Donnie at Ducpond, so I trust him.  Also, when running, vacuum pulls on it pretty good. Just to check, I went out and cut the ties and the inside of the box is no dirtier than before.  Of course YMMV......

Careful with the reflashes, make sure you get some kind of a guarantee.  I bought one from Monstermash and it crapped out on me, left me firing on one cylinder after 6 weeks.  Tow to the shop, troubleshooting and the cost of the ecu left me out $600.

no way monstermash left you hanging. did you work with him? i mean to go get a brand new ecu due to a reflash? sounds fishy to me.

ECU is in the mail today. Pretty quick turn around time.

 An EPROM can go bad any time I suppose but a reflash really shouldn't cause a delayed failure.
Desmo guarantees it will work when it arrives, which is about what I would expect. It's not unheard of for the end-user to "Fat-Finger" an installation.

Received the VDSTS software today so I'm ready for the install. Hope to see the ECU Monday.

I didn't get my stock ecu reflashed, I bought an already reflashed ecu from him and my bike crapped out, was half powered and replaced it with the stock ecu and it was fine again.  i have dyno charts from the reflash but the winter came and i couldn't dyno my bike with the stock ecu, but i think it actually runs better with the stock ecu and my set up (full zards, open airbox, k&n air filter).  i'll dyno it in the spring and see if it outperforms the reflash.  i've not sent back the reflash to monstermash.

ECU arrived today. I won't have time to get out to the shop until later tonight.

I know that you haven't come out and started bashing on monstermash or his service, but your first post certainly could be read that way. I would be very VERY surprised if you tried to work something out with him and were not able to come to some kind of arrangement.

Although a solid state part like an ECU going bad after 6 weeks? That kinda smacks of an issue with the electronics on the bike which effected the ECU. With very little context to your specific problem, everything I say is speculation though.

Not exactly plug and play it seems. Bike will idle rough for a bit then die unless I hold the throttle slightly open. I'll hook up the laptop tomorrow and reset the TPS and mess with trim. I did unplug the dash and start the bike just to make sure the immobilizer is history. If it wasn't snowing I'd have taken a spin just to run through the gears.

When an ecu is either new or re-flashed...the preset TPS is set to way-rich.  Re-setting it will likely cure your stalling issue.  Also, be sure to open up the throttle blades and check to see if there is a black line of carbon around where the throttle blade sits @ idle.  If there is, it could be affecting your idle air-flow and it would be best to clean that off before setting the TPS and definitely before you adjust any idle air-bleeds or balance your throttle bodies.

So just by plugging in, it won't work to well.
Let us know how it runs after you do the TPS reset.
Question-  You mentioned you can adjust the trim of the ECU, was that a result of the reflash, or did your S2R already have a trim adjustment on the ECU?  My 695 (to the best of my knowledge) does not have any trim setting. 

Trim adjustments are done with software that's external of the bike.  I believe the OP said he had the software.  I have it as well in case anyone's in need of trim adjustment or TPS reset in SoCal...

Stock S2R ECUs have a trim adjustment.

Any more news? [popcorn]  I've got to do something about the fueling on my bike.

My experience with ecu's has been the opposite.  All 3 times I've gotten an ECU (DP, or re-flash), it's worked perfectly.  I've heard either it will work right outta the box, or it will run terrible and need to have the TPS reset.

I guess I've just been lucky.

I'll try to get out there tomorrow night. I usually don't turn the heat on in the shop unless I'm going to be spending several hours out there.

Hooked up the VDSTS today. Trim was set to -31 so I bumped it to +5 and that seemed to help with idle. I reset the TPS but it was reset to 3.0-3.2 Shouldn't TPS be 4.5-4.9? Max throttle % is 84 now.
Also, the diagnostic shows an open circuit on coil #2. Is coil #2 the vertical cylinder?

OK, as far as TPS goes...
From www.bikeboy.org (http://)
"This nominated idle setting is specified as degrees of throttle opening.  For example, the 749 is 1.3 degrees, 999 is 2.3 degrees, 800 is 2.7 degrees, open loop 1000 is 3.0 degrees, and closed loop 1000 is 3.4 degrees.  This figure is not adjustable except at ECU software level, which pretty much means not at all with the 5.9M and 5AM ECU."

So the TPS is good. Yay!

Yeah with the linear TPS reset just tells the ECU, "See what this TPS here looks like right now?  This is closed."  That's why you should snap the throttle shut a few times before you reset.

Also, my CO/idle trim is usually around +10-15 on my bone stock '03 800 Dark.  Diff bike, etc. but they seem to need a little above zero to run smoothly.  Usually set at or near zero from the factory which gives you low emissions but lean pops and the like in the lower rev range.  Mine now runs beautifully smooth even with the stock ECU.

Scott

jwo, did you figure everything out?  How's the bike running and how do you like the re-flash?

 Two feet of snow in front of my overhead shop door means the bike won't see the road for a while. Once I reset the TPS and tweaked the trim it seemed to start and run fine. I won't know for sure until I can get it out for a spin. If nothing else I'll pick up another air-box lid and try both intake solutions. I'm happy with it.
This has got to be the most snow I've seen in years. Figures.

Since you seem to have some time, build a homemade manometer and balance the throttle bodies.  It's easy the last part of the holy trinity with CO trim and TPS reset.  It does great things for a smooth running at idle and low speeds.

Scott

Well I was able to finally get it out today. A balmy 32 degrees and the main road was fairly dry. During start-up I had to open the throttle just a touch to get it to fire but that could just be the cold. Kept the revs up near 2000 for a minute then it seemed to idle well. I let it warm until a temp registered then headed out. Went through the gear nicely, no hitch, stutter is gone. The Arrow pipes sound amazing! I got it back in the garage before frostbite set in so I'll revisit this thread when the temp hits 40.

Thanks for the update!  Sounds like you are pretty happy with it.

Had it out today for a bit longer ride, I think I have frostbite  [moto]
It runs up through the revs smooooth as butter. Cold starting at 31 degrees could be a bit better maybe.

Sounds good!
I want the warm weather to come back also...it's so close.

I too had an ECU re-flashed w/Desmo-Porsche but hadn't posted up yet because there was a problem with the first ECU that was re-flashed.

The problem was something hardware related in THAT PARTICULAR ECU.  So, I got a 2nd ecu and sent it back to Bobby @ Desmo-Porsche.  He re-flashed the first one again (it didn't help as that thing's FUBAR), and did the 2nd one at NO CHARGE to me.

I got the 2nd one back, installed it (being careful to do this with the battery disconnected), reset the TPS and I had the same issue as the OP did.  You have to open the throttle while cranking to get it to light-up.  But, after that...

It was flaw-less.  Idled smooth.  Made GREAT power.  No ecu warning flashes.  No funky stuttering while running.  Pulled HARD to redline. Never stalled.  Immobilizer shut-off (per customer request).  

BTW, for reference, the bike info:

2006 Sport 1000
Opened up air-box top (courtesy of a Dremel-tool)
Full racing (105db) Zard system
DP racing cams

In conclusion:  I don't know what's up with the open throttle to get it to start up, but if you can live with that (minor inconvenience IMO) it was bang-on!  I would recommend Bobby @ Desmo-Porsche.  [thumbsup]

Does the sport 1000 have a fast idle lever?  Are you using that when you start up or just leaving it and blipping the throttle a little on startup?
Sounds overall like great results, though. [thumbsup]

No fast idle lever on this bike as it's got the idle stepper motor.  To get it to fire, I would thumb the button and then roll the throttle on a bit while cranking and it would light right off.

sounds like it could be the problem. like the computer is waiting for the fast idle lever to be set instead of messing with the idle motor???

I wonder if his source for flashing the 1000DS motors is missing whatever is needed to control the stepper. Hrm...  ???

Maybe, but after you get the engine running it idles just fine so if it were waiting for equipment it didn't have, then it likely wouldn't know to actuate the idle motor.  I guess...

 

Stew - Good to hear your report is similar to mine. It runs so much better than stock that I have no problem goosing it a bit at start-up.
Anyone with a DS1000 and the true DP ECU that could chime in on this?

any issues on extremely cold weather starts? like 10-20 degrees?

sorry for the off topic comment, but why do people want to disable the immobilizer?

There may be other reasons.  The one I know of is that in order to be able to use an aftermarket gaugepod you need to get rid of the OEM Gaugepod or hide the guts of it somewhere else like under the tank.  The immobilizer is part of the gaugepod circuitboard.  Disabling it in the ECU would mean you can ditch the OEM gaugepod for an aftermarket one.  Like I said, may be other reasons but this is the only one I know of.

Also, if you need to replace the gauge pod or ECU you need to do so as a set if the immobilizer is not deactivated.  They key to each other and you can't replace either piece alone.  The two together are usually very expensive.  So if you're replacing either piece, like say on a salvage bike you bought, theft recovery, or custom you just built, it's often cheaper to just have the immobilizer deactivated.

Another reason is if you lose both the red key and the code card from Ducati and need a new key made.  New key copies cannot be made from the black keys, you need either the code card or the red key to set the electronic code in a new key.  Ducati does not keep records of these numbers so if you lose them and need a new key you are again looking at buying a matched set of gauges and ECU.

Scott

The system is also not the most reliable, leaving the rightful owner stranded.

Sorry, but I won't be able to test that... 

I'm in SoCal.  ;D  [cheeky]

 >:(

looks like im keeping my bike and a steering damper + ECU Flash is my top two mod priorities.

Inconceivable!   [laugh]

I have similar priorities for my 695 and they also include suspension.  ECU re-flash sounds like an awesome deal!

ive heard some bad stuff about the ECU flashes, and some good stuff as well. but for hte most part i am optimistic.

Suspension should be number ONE on your list. i did mine. love it. but my bike is in ICU right now :(

The potential cold start glitch is giving me cold feet...
My bike runs fine with stock ECU so I'm thinking about waiting and seeing how the ECU reflash chips shake out.

its like riding a carbed bike, without all the benefits. lol

Even if we don't get reflashes, they have cores for $400 which is still less than half from DP.
 But I mean, to me it seems the reflashing is sort of pirating the mapping and I don't mind that, but expectedly it will have some problem sources.  But if desmoporsche has it figured out right, man, that's a perfect solution.  Duck stew and jwo made it work, that sounds pretty good.

He man, I know your bike is on an IV, just don't pull the plug.

It's been in the high 20's to around 30 this week and that's why I think I'm needing to crack the throttle slightly to fire it up. It will idle at 2k for 10-20 seconds and then drop to normal and idle rough for a bit then die so I hold it at 2000 for maybe 30 seconds then it seems to idle alright. I wanted to wait for warmer temps before I do any more messing with the TPS or TB syncing.

I only have the black key. That was one of the reasons for the ECU flash. It also ran really rough under 4k so I wanted the PC3 option open which meant getting rid of the O2 sensor. I had also heard from a couple of guys with S2R1000 that the DP map was good enough for the full pipe and open box I was going with. It was $250 bucks no matter what I had done so I took it all.

The DP map should be available to Ducati owners for free. It makes the bike run like it should. The fact that Ducati would ransom the normal operation of my bike for $1200 pretty much clears my conscience on the issue.

Having only the black key I didn't feel I had much to lose and much to gain.

I did pick up a 749S Showa shock from ebay a few weeks ago, just having trouble finding out what weight the Showa spring is good for and what I should be replacing it with. I'm also looking at fork-springs and oil.

its not even good enough for the Monsters own weight. I installed it and wondered why i could flat foot my bike with my knees bent. i uninstalled it got a new spring and voila.

I wasn't trying to imply that the re-flash was immoral or anything.  More so I was agreeing with it.  The DP maps should be free anyway, but the world of software is full of rip-offs and everyone accepts this as normal.
Does your S2R1000 have an idle lever?
Did they put a new sticker on the core when they flashed it?

no in reality, the stock ECU is the way it should run, according to the government. changing it for on road use is illegal, hence the premium and the stipulation that the termi system with the DP ECU is for offroad use... unless you get the Ti setup, which i bet is more similar to the stock ECU than the CF or SS systems

That is true, might be good enough reason to keep a stock backup ECU.

Any update on cold starts?  Does it still stutter with the DesmoPorsche ECU or is it running perfectly?
I'm pretty close to pulling the trigger myself on ordering one.

Don't know about cold starts other then what I've posted already (I'm in SoCal).

But, my 2nd ecu-reflash fires the bike right up!  (I'm not quite finished w/the exhaust system yet so no test-rides so far...)

jwoconnor - any news on how your reflash is working now?

Am thinking of going down the same path as you.
I'm just concerned a bit about this light up problem (starting)

 Even contemplating the Protune reflash kit for my 07 S2R1000.

decisions decisions......... :-\

Bobby has done a couple of ecu's for me both incredible. He's also an incredible source for parts of all kinds. I'm sending him the ecu for the bobber in a week or so to pull the o2 sensor. Give him a call [thumbsup]

Not as easy as that. I'm in OZ so may throw him an email soon regarding ECU reflash.

If i do have any issues it could end up being a long drawn out process considering the distance.
I'm unable to find anyone here who can/will do ECU reflashes for the price that Bobby does, even with the currency converted into U.S.

I'll see what evolves

  Just got back from a longer ride today. Temps in the upper 60's bike fired right up and fast idled (~2k) for maybe 20 seconds then dropped to ~1300 and stayed there. Idle is not as smooth as my V-strom but being my first Ducati and not having any others around to compare I can't say if this is a normal idle or not. Perhaps I need to sync the TBs and get a fresh tank of gas in it.
  6th gear I can lug down below 2500 and it will pull smoothly to redline. Part throttle cruising at a bit over 3000rpms has a burble, not really a stumble/shudder like it had stock but not seamless either. Anywhere above or below that is smooth. I'd really like to dyno the bike and check air/fuel ratio. The local community college will do it cheap if I trust them...
All in all, I'm happy with it. I can always add the PC3 later for mapping and still be way under the retail Termi ECU price.
  The only thing I'll change is getting the baffles for the Arrows because they are so damn loud!

Set valve clearance, idle speed, idle CO, and synch throttle bodies.  Makes a world of difference.

Scott

This is still something I plan on doing.  Does anyone have a specific list of things to do when you put in a re-flashed ECU?  Which sensors and parameters need to be adjusted?
 
jwo, I made some baffles for my cans and they work pretty good, see my other thread in Access&mods.

TPS needs to be set and CO trim adjusted.

Just those two things?  I am, for the sake of my curiosity, only referring to pre-2009 monsters.  That's pretty simple.
I'm so tempted to do this, but I would hate to find that getting the right airflow and backpressure for tuning to be difficult.  Who knows, maybe it would be easy, but I'm just a little paranoid.
jwo, have you noticed that your bike runs cooler?  I know most people who install the full Termi kit notice a significant drop in average running temperature, but didn't know if that was more due to the carbon fiber cans, the ECU or the airbox.

the extra fuel probably acts to cool down the engine since a good chunk of it doenst get burned anyway.

I was talking to a shop and they said a PC3 can be addded to bikes with o2 sensors. Im curious as to how that works. they said they do it all the time on the S2R1k. Id like to avoid a reflash if possible. for the simple fact that with a reflash, you still dont get a custom setup.

AFAIK, running a PC3 on top of the stock ECU is possible, but they just zero out the map in the closed loop portion. I also understand that they don't have support for the stepper motor (fast idle) so you may end up needing to disable that somehow. I still don't see how shops are doing a PC3 on the 1000DS motors without an ECU flash to get rid of the closed loop.

I thought you can just remove the O2 sensor. The ECU will be forced to run in open loop.  On some bikes the check engine light gets triggered. On my bike it doesnt. I did a few thousand miles without the O2 sensor, much less power so i reinstalled it.

as for the stepper motor, i thought the same thing. My Rapid Bike 3 gave me the same problem. It disables the stepper motor and i couldnt start in the winter.

Yeah, I don't think that it runs in Open-Loop, but instead in some kind of limp-ish mode. My bike had the O2 unplugged when I bought it. Plugged it in as soon as I realized it (coupele of months). Completely different (better) bike with it plugged in. Reading Brad Black's pages I remember seeing something about the strangeness of the ECU when the O2 sensor is unplugged, hence the FatDuc and the desire to get a DP or DP flashed ECU.

pulled my stock ecu yesterday and shipped it out to desmo-porche.  going to have them load up the DP map, turn off the imobilizer, and increase the redline (not that i really have a big need for that).  hopefully that helps take care of my lean running condition... and hopefully so much so that i'll be able to cut the airbox lid and put on a DP or KN filter.  they said 1-3 day turnaround time, so hope to have it back next week some time, and i can bum the VDST software from a friend and attempt to reset the TPS.  is the reset pretty straightforward for my bike?  it's an 05 S4R...

very fast turnaround time at desmo-porche; bobby told me it should be shipping back today.

now to figure out how TPS resets work for my bike...

Keep us posted!

I'm looking forward to getting my ECU from Bobby too. (has to be shipped to Australia)
I'll see how it runs out of the box, but probably do a TPS reset also (S2R1000)

good luck with it McKraut.

If I am going from slip-ons to a full boomtubes system on my 03 620ie... (i have an open airbox)  Do I need to reflash or is there a cheaper way??

I'd wait and see how it runs first before doing a reflash.
But yes, a reflash is the cheapest option that i'm aware of.

+1  Particularly, please let know know if the cold start is smooth or if it idles high/rough

well...it's still in transit apparently; the wait is killing me!  oddly though i just checked the tracking status on USPS, and it's showing that it's in freaking NY??  wtf??  i shipped it to a houston address and it's shipping through NY??  this seems really weird to me...is this just a weird screwup by USPS?  i was hoping to have it back today, as someone organized a wrenching session tomorrow, but looks like i'll not be able to attend after all.

Received my reflashed ECU the other day. I just have to find time now to fit it and do the usual resets etc.
will let you know how it goes.

hope yours shows up very soon Mckraut

+1  Please let us know how it is, particularly with cold starts as some have reported slight hesitations during the winter.  Thanks!

received mine the other day, took it for a little ride up the tollway last night.  seems to have seriously helped with any popping that was occurring before (it sounded like i was making popcorn on decel pre-flash...even with a closed airbox lid; this was my main reason for the flashing), and it seems like it's also accelerating stronger now.  starting seems same as before.  i'm probably a bad person to ask about that, as i was actually still trying to troubleshoot some starting issues prior to this flashing.  the first time i started the bike post-flash, it took a couple tries to start it, but then fired up and ran well.  last night, it was the fourth try i think before it finally fired up.  so, not sure what the problem is there.  it's worth noting though that i have not yet reset the TPS, which i hope to do in the next few days...maybe i'll have some better news to post then.

i noticed that the LED on the gauge cluster still blinks when i kill it, but bobby verified that the immobilizer had been killed.  i guess the LED isn't so much a function of the immobilizer being "armed" as it is just a 24 hour countdown timer, and just blinks no matter what...

I believe that's so you still get the theft deterrent benefit of it.

To double-check you can unplug the dash and still start the bike.

Another  [thumbsup] for Desmo Porsche ECU flash service. 

I sent my ECU for my 07 S2R1K project bike last Saturday, they flashed the ECU and invoiced me on Monday.  I received it yesterday.  Total door-to-door turnaround time from Florida to Texas was 6 days!  Thanks Bobby.

BTW: flash was for the DP program with O2 sensor and immobilizer delete. 

silversled,
Would comment on cold starts with you bike after installing the reflashed ECU?  Thanks!

He probably doesn't have any cold (as in 40's) starts that far south.

VDST software and cable acquired thanks to a most awesome guy locally with a house full of bikes   [beer]

now to go out there and reset the TPS, and i'm thinking also fattening up the fuel trim considerably.

well...tried to install VDST software on a vista 32 bit machine, and a win 7 64 bit, and no dice with either.  when trying to launch it i get a:

"Debugger detected [97]" on both machines

and that's it.  now i guess i'm off to googlize the error and try to figure out wtf it doesn't like.  here i was all excited this morning thinking i would be tweaking the ECU.

While I can't diagnose your specific problem I do successfully run VDSTS on my Vista laptop so it's not just the operating system.

Scott

I started the bike up for the first time last night.  It is definitely cold blooded (lean).  I got the DP flash so I could set the fuel trim without fighting with the O2 sensor.  More than likely a virgin program flash has the fuel trim set at near zero.  After resetting the TPS and setting the CO% levels at the pipes to 3-5% it should be fine (typical Ducati).  That's next week's tasks.   [moto]

McKraut,

Did you try downloading the latest VDST software directly from Technoreasearch?  I had previously downloaded the wrong package and received an error message.  Here is the link:

http://www.technoresearch.com/Downloads/downloads-VDSTS (http://www.technoresearch.com/Downloads/downloads-VDSTS)

You'll see there is a different package for VISTA and Windows 7.

Hope it works and let us know how you make out.  I'll be getting my VDST cable this week and will reset the TPS hopefully on Friday!

PS: Make sure you go for the standard version, the professional will not work without a "key".

yup, installed the standard version from their site for vista/7, and it started up just fine now.  i plan on doing a test run after work if weather cooperates, and try to reset my TPS.  i'm told it's pretty straightforward, but i've been known to have more than my share of blonde moments and brain farts.

Do you have a serial port or are you using a USB port adapter?  I have the USB adapter that creates a serial port on my USB port using th software.  It's a bit quirky and seems to take a while to connect.  Once connected it's pretty good.

Scott

yeah...serial to USB adapter is being used; installed the drivers before VDST standard software.  hope to give it a go shortly after work tonight and see how it all works.  i'll let you know if i run into any connection problems.

okay, not to be a serial bumper here... but i'm looking a little more closely and wondering if i'll run into trouble later.  the friend i borrowed the VDST from ordered it for his 1098, and i have an s4r.  if i'm understanding this though, will i have an issue, as the 1098 is a 5AM ecu, and the s4r is a 59M ecu?

You might.  There are two versions of VDSTS: the shop and home versions.  The shop version connects to multiple bikes and costs a buttload of money.  The home version connects to only one type of ECU but is more modestly priced.  If you don't have the right cable for your ECU it won't connect.  You can however connect to multiple ECUs of the same type, it doesn't key to the specific ECU or anything.

I thought all the newer Ducatis used a 59 but if that's not the case they may not be compatible.  Check to see if the two ECUs are listed separately on the VDSTS site.

Scott

yeah, this is the standard/home version... i verified on the technoresearch website and it lists 1098's as having the magneti marelli iaw 5AM, and the s4r has a magneti marelli 59M.  so.... shit.  there goes that i guess.

Still, the tool only costs about $200, $240 with the adapter.  It's a lot of dough but a standard full service runs $800-1000.  Pays for itself the first time you use it.  I'm really glad I bought mine, I couldn't afford this bike if I didn't do my own work.

Scott

well, after an initial runthrough i was hopeful at first, but after what i think was a good connection and then an attempt to reset the TPS, i just ran into walls.  the connection seemed painfully slow, but i have the latest VDST software, as well as latest drivers for the serial to USB adapter.  it would connect, but then would show that it was a MM-IAW5M.  at one point i got the TPS tool to get to the point where it gave me the "PASSED" message, but it didn't seem to open up the "calibrate" section on the right side.  at this point i'm not sure if it's something i'm doing incorrectly, or truly is just because of the difference in ecu.  though, when i think about it, since there's no registering of the software...and just hooking a cable up to it...why would it be telling me i have a 5AM ecu?  is this something that's somehow tied to the cable itself??

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McKraut,

The cable is coded for the ECU type.  The screen showing the "Product Name" as MM-IAW5AM is reading the cable not the ECU it is connected to.  

I've PM'd you.

Vic,
(Silversled).

battery voltage can be an issue too.  i hook up a good charger if i'm having hassles getting mine (pro version) to connect

If anyone can get a "Standard" 59M cable to work on a 5AM ECU or vice versa, please let me know!

Inquiring minds.....

tried doing some work with the VDST (5AM) again on saturday (i just want the TPS reset and fatten the fuel trim), and this time also tried doing the suggestion of someone in another thread of actually firing up the engine, and then killing it with the red toggle but leaving the ignition on (to prevent the ECU entering it's sleep mode).  that, too, didn't seem to help.  i was able to, only once, get the TPS portion to go through the countdown and then eventually say "PASS".  so, i'm *hoping* that at the very least, the TPS is reset for sure.  the fuel trim (and just about everything else), however, was greyed-out...not accessible.  at one point, the VDST even was telling me i had a 15M ECU (which i think is for the older 900's and 750's?)... then i hit the motorcycle icon again and it was back to 5AM.  though, as far as i know, i have a 59AM.

so, at this point it sounds like i need to make a couple of phone calls.  one to desmo-porche and make sure i do in fact have a 59M ecu (and it was in fact reflashed?  is there some way i can verify that short of buying my own 59M VDST?).  and two, to technoresearch makers of the VDST, and see if it's just not possible to use a 5AM VDST on a 59M ecu.  of course it's also possible i'm a giant idiot and just can't figure out how to use a vdst properly, and am just doing it all wrong somehow.

oh, and then i forgot the second part of this.... on my way home on sunday night, it kept dying on me when accelerating from a stoplight.  during a 10-15 minute ride home, it died five or six times.  it was right at about 3k rpms in first gear...i could hear this "cough" down from the intake area, and just like that it was dead.  now, i had the same "cough" at the same rpm spot with a completely stock ecu, which i noticed with gentle acceleration from a stop, or for instance when making a right or left turn from a stop light... i would get this cough right at 3k and then a tiny loss of power, but then it would pick back up again.  it always bugged me, because it's never fun to have something screwing with you when you're trying to make a nice smooth corner.

anyway, the only thing i've done in the last few days that would have any influence (besides the DP ecu flash and subsequent attempt to reset the TPS with the vdst) is a chopped airbox and a KN performance filter.  is that normal?  have other people out there run into this same thing before?  i wouldn't think simply opening the airbox would be THAT drastic such that it kills/stalls the engine.  and, like i said, i did notice this "cough" before with the stock ecu... now it's just bad enough that it's killing the engine when it happens.  thoughts?

in re: 5AM working on the 59M ecu, i just talked to a nice guy at technoresearch and he said TPS and fuel trim adjustment have the same address and i should be good to go

http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=18497.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=18497.0)

still having issues with the bike.  i've been able to get the following message with the vdst:

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but after talking to bobby, he said that it is possible to get that message and not have actually reset the TPS.  he also confirmed i have a 5AM ecu, which is the cable i'm using...so all should be good, but communication is spotty (at best) between the ecu and the software, and i still haven't seen the stuff like gauges and temps display, nor have i been able to get the fuel trim slider to show as available.  bobby did offer to flash the ecu again to make sure it was done or done correctly.  i may take him up on that...  is it possible the flash wasn't done right (or maybe not at all)?

i just want more fuel!!  it shouldn't have to be this hard...   :-\

Good luck and thanks for keeping us posted.

I just hooked up the VDST to the reflashed S2R1000 tonight and had similar issues to McKraut.  I noticed that the USB adapter's driver defaulted to COM3 which was already assigned to another resource on my laptop.  I forced the USB adapter to use COM2 and the VDST software synced up and behaved properly afterwards.  After this, all the features worked except the immobilizer function which was disabled in the reflash.   After bumping up the fuel trim, the bike fires right up now. [thumbsup]

Off to do a full tune tomorrow morning.  [drink]

Your all so lucky us 696/1100 guys have to fork over $1200 for a DP ecu ($1300 w/ termi's) or buy the PC V for $310 for basic tuning not even gaining the max RPM boost..

DAMN my Siemens ECU!!!

I don't want to scare you, but there is a possibility the ECU is not communicating since that would explain no sensor readings.  A trip to a shop with a DDS tester (factory scan tool) will clear that up.  They shouldn't charge too much to just hook it up and see if it communicates.

From everything I've read the USB adapter is finicky. I use the old serial port and have never had an issue connecting. I know serial ports are uncommon these days but that would remove one variable from this equation.

McKraut,

Swapped out my ECU for a Desmo DP ECU just the other week for my 08 S2R1K.  Bike ran very rough without the TPS reset.  She would have difficulty turning over and occasionally would stall.  I had some trouble with getting the TPS reset but once I got it, everything was good.  She is now running great!

When you hook up the VDST, you should be able to go to the gauges screen and see your Engine Temp, RPM, Speed and TPS.  Start your bike to ensure you have a good connection.  If you do, the gauges with be moving.  What's your TPS Reading?  Is it moving a you move the throttle?  Should be around 2.8 closed and 85 full open.  Regardless, go back to the TPS screen and re-try the reset process.  The VDST will tell you to shut off your bike if its still running when you hit the reset button.  

Now, check how she idles and look at the TPS reading from the gauge screen.  Should be between 2.8 and 85 as noted above.  You can check full throttle with the bike off.  Finally, go to the screwdriver icon and select idle fuel trim adjust as may be needed.

Hope this helps and PM me if you have questions.

I finally put my reflashed ECU in my 07 S2R1K and hooked up my VDST. After the initial TPS reset and trim, I adjusted the air bleeds slightly, rechecked everything twice, and now it runs beautifully. I only had time to take it for a small test ride with now problems with the running.
 one thing to make absolutely sure is that you have a good battery and good connections to it and serial port.
The communication between the ECU and laptop can also take several seconds or so. You also may have to close out of the program and reopen it for better communication. I had to do this while doing mine.
I had my throttle bodies sync by a mate of mine with a manometer before I stared.
My TPS is 3.2 and the trim is set at +20, and the air bleeds turned out about 1 full turn from fully in.

cold start up no worries [thumbsup] [moto]

+1.  Mine takes a while to connect and can lose the connection sometimes.  Changing to a different com port may help.  I would agree though that if you're not getting gauges it's probably not connecting properly.

Scott

So in the end are you satisfied with the DesmoPorsche ECU reflash?  I am considering sending mine out or just getting the Fat Duc O2 emulator.  07 S2R Full Arrow no baffles. 

Joe,

I got a reflash ECU from DesmoPorsche and installed it last week. Reset TPS and Trim, adjusted air bleeds a little and away I go! You do need to have a VDST or get a dealer to reset things.
I have no problems with recommending their service. I did all this and I live in Australia.

Thanks Vossy for the encouragement, how did you know what adjustments to make to the TPS, Trim and air bleeds? 

The TPS will reset itself with the help of the VDST. (easy)
The trim was done by ear and a couple of short test rides. The trim starts off at zero on the computer, so you really want it to be slightly richer for better idle. Then I adjusted it to the point where it started to idle rough and backed it off a little, checked idle speed, test rode and adjusted some more till it felt right.  The air bleeds were done using the VDST to firstly get the bike idling at the correct speed, rechecked and tweeked the trim and test rode again.
All up I went for 3 short test rides with slight adjustments inbetween and it runs great.
A mate who is a car mechanic helped me with the trimming by ear because that's what he does best.
hope this gives you some insight to what's involved.

there's lots of great info on here that can/will run you through the process better than I can explain.

+1.  The first time I tuned the bike I used a Gunson Colortune.  It's a spark plug with a glass window in the top so you can see the color of the flame.  Way cool toy and much cheaper than a gas analyzer.  Since then I've gone to tuning by ear as above: richen up slowly until it stumbles and then back off a bit, then a test ride to make sure.  As said, once you connect to the ECU it's all fairly easy.

Scott

made the changes to the keyspan usb adapter as suggested from the faq page on the technoresearch site, and the vdst is now communicating decently with the ecu.  just to clarify though, the trimmer value is saved when you have the screen below, right (and therefore you know that the chip was truly flashed to DP spec)?  also what trimmer value are you guys using?

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now to troubleshoot why the gauges are displaying max air temp and max speed:

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I have no direct experience with VDST but typically when a sensor reads maximum values it means it is not connected i.e. the input to the measurement device is floating

Yes, trimmer value is saved.  If you're unsure go to another screen and come back, it will reload.

I'm about 13 I think BUT don't worry about that too much.  Get the bike running right and don't use someone else's setting EXCEPT that if you're way off something might be wrong.

Scott

just to verify everything worked properly with the software and cable etc, i hooked it up to a friend's 848 (with a genuine DP ecu)... gauges worked properly, including speedo and air temp (his read 80 something).  also, i took a look at his trimmer setting, and it was set to 35... but his bike had been properly tuned at AMS.  do dealers have access to the full fuel mapping across all throttle settings?  i put mine to 30 (it was indeed saving the 15 value from earlier) for a quick ride home and my gf followed behind me and said it shot flames a couple times on decel.  so...maybe i need to back that off a bit.   ;)

I don't have an S4R but I do have a DP ECU and the trimmer value according to VDST is set at 15 currently. I have no running issues. I think +30 may might be way too much.

yeah, definitely.  the friend i borrowed the vdst from has a 1098 and says that he likes his at 15.  so i may try 15 for a bit and see how that goes.

I've just set mine up last week and it's trimming is set at +20. Runs beautifully.
('07 S2R1K)

I'm glad you've had some headway with your set up McKraut.

well...i think so.  though in a thread i have in tech (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=39013.45 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=39013.45)) i'm being told i may need to actually be using TPS adjustment screws to actually reset the TPS, not just a software thing with the VDST....  so i guess after work tonight i'll have to get out a flashlight and go hunting for those screws...  just when you think you're making headway with something...

also i need to figure out why the air temp sensor (and speedo) aren't registering on the vdst.  fun times.

Any new info out there?

Im about to start an ECU adventure of my own. Im shopping around for a full system, i plan on getting the TPO Beast-R intake kit also. I will definitely need my ecu flashed. I sent emails to desmoporsche and motowheels inquiring about a map for this setup. After the flash is done it looks like all i need is VDST to finalize things. Easier said than done. Has anyone accomplished this successfully? Vossy, your story is the light at the end of the tunnel. I think you have the same bike as me too.

Im in the Los Angeles area if anyone has VDST and is willing to let me use it.

Bike is '07 S2R1k

Hope we get this mess sorted out. Every shop i call locally uses a different method for exhaust mods on my bike, Eh...

I'm sure things will be fine with your ECU re-flash.
If you can't borrow a VDST (must be the one for your 5AM ECU), you really have only two options.
1. buy your own VDST, well worth it if you plan on keeping the bike for a while.

2. take it to a dealer who can set it up for you.


I'd be keen to hear how you go with it all.


good luck!

Vossy, What did you you do about the hole for the sensor after your flash? Plug it? Leave it there?

I used a car sump plug and copper crush washer to fill the gap.

I think it's a 18mm diameter thread. ( don't quote me on that)