Ducati Monster Forum

Hmm, why must they tempt me so - Got a favorite sellers email from Ebay, and this little goodie was in it.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310185744467&ssPageName=ADME:B:FSEL:AU:1123 (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310185744467&ssPageName=ADME:B:FSEL:AU:1123)

Anyone tried out cams from Vee Two? I've got a clutch from them, and it's quite nice. At $280 under the current exchange rate, it's not the steal that my clutch bits were (very favorably exchange rate at that time), but it's not hideous for cams

FYI they also have 1000DS flavors and a few 4v versions

I asked my dealer if i was going to gain something with these cames
I have M900sie 2001 which has about the same cams as the ST2 and my dealer said it wasn't worth it

The ie and ST2 cams aren't the exact same though, the ST2 are hotter, and the V2 are hotter still.

There's a writeup on brad's website about the torque grind cams, same as the old DP product I think.

I have a set in the garage waiting to be installed on my M900, and I also got a set of the Race cams as well. (future track bike parts bin. i seem to accumulate parts for a bike i do not yet own...  [roll])

You'll want to add in a set of inlet valves as well, since these have a greater lift, the longer stem of their valves keeps you from having to source odd shims.

The only thing I know about them (since I have yet to install them), is that the bulletin included advises you to check clearance with the piston and the cut-outs/pockets on the dome to make sure there's no interference. Sometimes the piston needs to be machined apparently.

Torque is V2-03-210 I believe
Race is V2-03-212 I believe.

(There was a 211 that was "street" also, iirc).

Grab a set of billet adj. pulleys while you are at it, they are cheap from VeeTwo and helpful for degreeing cams.

Thanks ATO. Hmm of course this seems like more of a project than it might seem at the surface. Maybe... a race 900 maybe...

Yes, certainly more than on the newer bikes. They are drop-in on the 4V's.

Some pics:

(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_4iYlZ1m8UEM/SupCmwc6dHI/AAAAAAAAEbE/6-IO9NEPbJI/s800/IMG_1685.JPG)

Torque on the left, Race on the right (with clear ano cam gears attached)

I have a set of the "torque cams" in my '97, but I also got a pair of V-2 modified heads with new valves at the same time, so I can't really quantify how much just the cams improved my bike's performance.  Oh yeah, I also got adjustable pulleys which allowed my wrench to tweak the timing after he put everything together.

jD

I assume that your bike is a carbed 900? What engine mods? Cam selection depends on your purposes and engine mods.
If is carbed and has "V" heads just get the Vee Two pulleys and cams dialled. The torque grind appears to have more lift but less duration than the stock cams. Seems to be a 'grunter' cam.

If it's a 900ie then the cams are nearly as hot as ST2 cams and are good. Pulleys are a cost effective way. Brad Black dialled in my Vee Two pulleys (his specs) on my carbed M900 for 2-3 hp from 3-6,500rpm.

I'd get high comp pistons before changing the cams. Or you could hit Vee Two for a deal on a performance package! [evil]

MBP seem to prefer the ST2 cams in their big valve, 955, short manifold engines. They claim an extra 6hp over stock carbed cams in their application.
Bikeboy.org has good cam specs and dyno charts to check out.

Mine is an IE 900.  This is more an exercise in curiosity, than something I'm really planning on. Those cams were featured in one of the targeted emails that I got from Ebay, and it piqued my curiosity

The deal is fantastic. The DP cams went for something like a grand, and the DP cams were these torque grind cams I believe.

The race cams, plus short intake manifolds + split fcrs + lightweight flywheel + big bore would be a force to be reckoned with. (And a force I plan to create... all I am missing now is the short intake manifolds, split fcrs, lightweight flywheel, big bore kit, and bike with fairings to put them on...)

Everyone should take note that V2 is defunct.

Only matters regarding any warranty concerns...the product is top notch.

Yes, they've been liquidating all their product for some time. I have a spreadsheet from a few months ago of their remaining stock and the price they were willing to part with it.

At one time I was told they were switching gears (err... industries) and were going to focus on something else (but wouldn't say what).

Hence, the website is in the toilet.

Perhaps one of our cali/westcoast billet vendors will step up and copy some of their products that were really good, such as the billet adjustible cam pulleys - Lookin' at you Slingshot/Motowheels/SpeedyMoto.

I don't think its likely anyone will step up to manufacture similar 750/900 or bevel cams. They also produce some 1000DS cams, which may also work in the 1100 (no FHE, not sure if the head design changed in any other ways). I believe there are some other cam manufacturers for the newest motors, though I can't point at them at the moment.

If they're around when I have the money my 996 will have some of their cams.

[thumbsup]

heh, i decided to jump at the chance in december and get the cams for a second bike, and i'll figure out getting another bike when i can.

Glad I got my clutch basket, drum and pulleys when I did. Also explains the discount prices, the clutch parts were less than half price. So now is the time to try and get some bargains.

My understanding is that the 'torque' grind is good with the long manifold bikes, so maybe the 900ie bikes could use the alternative grinds (211 and Daytona grinds I think, better check Brads site) recommended for short manifolds and split carbs which may work well on IE short manifolds.

Should we storm Vee Two before they run out of Duck stock? I might give them a call.

i'd buy all the cam pulleys you foresee ever needing.

Thanks for the link yuu!  I just bought some V2 cams for a customers project!!!  [thumbsup]

Hi Guys,

does the cams fit to Monster 696? How much do they influence the torque in which way?
Thanks in advance for your reply

Regards

Martin

1.) No fit 696.

2.) In the good way, there's more of it. Do you mean how do they work?

The ones I likned to were for the 900 engines only. They had ones listed for the 1000DS also.. either way no 696 applications.

wonder if the 1000 cams fit the 696 and 796.  can't see any reason why not.  696 looks like the same profile as 1000 spec wise, just different lobe separation.

the torque cams have shorter inlet duration and much shorter exhaust duration with more lift.  you need longer inlet valves or thicker opening shims and bigger valve cutaways in the pistons, otherwise you need to retard them about 7 or 8 degrees from spec for piston to valve clearance.

which would help the top end, but i think the short exhaust will hurt that anyway so they really aren't a power cam.  probably not too good with high comps either as they'll give a heap of midrange cylinder pressure.  well, not really required sort of thing.  altho i think norm has fitted them to a lot of high comp motors.

there's some graphs here on them - http://www.bikeboy.org/900carbv2cam.html (http://www.bikeboy.org/900carbv2cam.html)

VeeTwo is not defunct... well, sort off!..


the company that bought VeeTwo have decided to concentrate on the supercharger side of the business.
Sadly for me, this means we will no longer be making Ducati bits. (anyone want to but a cam grinder? comes with all the cam masters!)

The VeeTwo name will live on for the supercharged hypermotard and monster kits being devoleped.
Although I'm in the workshop not the office, I'd be pretty sure they will honor warranty (we dont get many coming back.)

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/hypermotard.jpg?t=1264682533)

Sorry for any misinformation mate.

I call that good news then!  Glad to see you guys are still around. Sadly, I likely won't have the opportunity to get a supercharger from ya.

this is what i'm working on.

That's sad news Monsta. At least you still have work with things being the way they are.

I have used Vee Two parts on two Dukes, and have the full clutch kit and cam pulleys on my '95 Monster. We will miss the local innovation.

Maybe you could throw a little blower on your '93 Monster!

Has anybody here ever used their cams for the DS1000 engine?  If so, what were your impressions?  There is a set on eBay right now.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/V2-03-300-Camshaft-Kit-DS1000_W0QQitemZ310105481303QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Motorcycle_Parts_Accessories?hash=item4833ba2057 (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/V2-03-300-Camshaft-Kit-DS1000_W0QQitemZ310105481303QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Motorcycle_Parts_Accessories?hash=item4833ba2057)

Soon as I get 'em and install 'em...  I'll let ya know!

BTW:  The 300 cam is for the early engines like yours.  I had to get the 301 cams which are the same, but longer to fit this 2007 engine.

Stew, other than these Vee Two cams, what other options are there for DS motors?  There is a Ducati Performance cam offered for the DS1100 motor in the Multis & Hypers.  Would these work in my Monster DS1000 (being converted to 1123)?  Do any other companies offer options?

I know those work on at least the stock displacement DS1000. IIRC, Monstermash had them on his S2R1000...

The DP cam is a good option and I know the folks @ Vee-Two don't build half-assed cams so the 300 series cam ought to be a real road-burner...  I think there is a 3rd option out of Europe.  Poke around the Ducati Kaemna site...