Title: Rear brake and Shift levers Post by: Punx Clever on January 28, 2010, 07:41:11 AM Just wondering if anyone knows of any kind of decent replacement levers for the stock s*R rearsets. I don't want to go GP shifting, and as anyone who has had to replace these levers knows, the stock prices are crazy. I've made my levers work, but they certainly aren't pretty.
Right now, the ultimate goal is some aftermarket rearsets... but that is a bit of money. If I could find some decent levers, i wouldn't need rearsets... quite frankly I'm happy with the locations as it is. Any ideas? Title: Re: Rear brake and Shift levers Post by: He Man on January 28, 2010, 08:50:22 AM any reason you dont want GP shift?
Its like heroin, but worst. [evil] Title: Re: Rear brake and Shift levers Post by: Punx Clever on January 28, 2010, 09:34:57 AM Most of the GP shift setups I see available just have the lever attached directly to the engine as opposed to a connecting rod. Don't like the idea of going down and having that stress put on the case. with rearsets I know I could try it out, but who knows if I will.
Title: Re: Rear brake and Shift levers Post by: He Man on January 28, 2010, 09:39:56 AM That connecting rod is made of steel, and the shifter youd get would be aluminum. The aluminum would flex and bend before that part breaks.
The toe piece would probably snap off before that happens, theres nothing to worry about. my bike skidded on the left side with the toe piece digging into dirt and its fine. Ive also had it droped on the left side when a car hit it, it bent, but the actual connecting rod is perfectly fine, though the shifter needed replacement. i woudlnt worry about it. Title: Re: Rear brake and Shift levers Post by: junior varsity on January 28, 2010, 10:17:10 AM yeah, no concerns over here about the direct spline attachment. The alu shifter will get bent out of the way or break off long before it damages that spline. There is a titanium shifter out there, and that might be more of a concern, but again, the toe piece itself will disembark before that occurs.
Then you've got the footpeg taking the brunt of the impact anyhow. Direct spline connection feels fantastic. I understand that some people are just used to the conventional shift pattern that comes from the factory, and won't switch, but i likes it a lot. If you are looking at rearsets, any rearsets, they are going to expensive. Title: Re: Rear brake and Shift levers Post by: Punx Clever on January 28, 2010, 10:48:38 AM Oh I know rears are expensive. But I found a good deal on Gilles rearsets from indy superbikes. Only 500
Title: Re: Rear brake and Shift levers Post by: He Man on January 28, 2010, 11:29:06 AM Direct spline connection feels fantastic. Thats what she said! ;D Title: Re: Rear brake and Shift levers Post by: stopintime on January 28, 2010, 01:52:12 PM Gilles for 500 is a bargain [thumbsup] If you get those, make sure they come with the new shouldered washer for the main bolt - to avoid binding. The seller SHOULD know about this. Link to the bargain?
Good looking and affordable(?) rearset bling could be powder coating them black as on some S4R models. Looks great. IMO, leave the pegs natural. Carbon heel guards? Title: Re: Rear brake and Shift levers Post by: Punx Clever on January 28, 2010, 02:22:37 PM http://www.indysuperbikes.com/Isb1/Rearsets__Accessories_Gilles_Rearsets_Ducati_S2R-p-1-c-36265.html (http://www.indysuperbikes.com/Isb1/Rearsets__Accessories_Gilles_Rearsets_Ducati_S2R-p-1-c-36265.html)
they have black/black, black/gold, and gold/gold, but not gold/black actually, make the beast with two backs it. I'm just going with these.. black and gold accent Title: Re: Rear brake and Shift levers Post by: stopintime on January 28, 2010, 02:36:34 PM Just a heads up. The ones in your link is not the ones for S*R. At least the photo is incorrect.
As I mentioned, get the newly added parts. GillesToolig corrected their design flaw by adding some washer/spacer thingy. This is a thread where this was discussed. In my first post you can see a link to the thread where the Gilles design flaw was discussed - and the solution to the issue.http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=31180.msg540937#msg540937 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=31180.msg540937#msg540937) This is what the S*R rearsets look like: Link to another vendor with more pictures http://www.oppracing.com/images/13461-gilles-tooling-vcr-rear-sets-ducati-monster-s2r-2004-2008-s4r-rs-2003-2008/ (http://www.oppracing.com/images/13461-gilles-tooling-vcr-rear-sets-ducati-monster-s2r-2004-2008-s4r-rs-2003-2008/) (http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l394/stopintime/DCP_72961.jpg) Title: Re: Rear brake and Shift levers Post by: Punx Clever on January 28, 2010, 02:42:40 PM I understand that the picture is incorrect. But indy is only a hour away so I will probably just drive down to get them when I get some parts from teh duc shop there
Title: Re: Rear brake and Shift levers Post by: stopintime on January 28, 2010, 02:48:27 PM If not for your own peace of mind, then at least for mine, please confirm the corrective added parts.
And of course: pictures when it's done [thumbsup] Title: Re: Rear brake and Shift levers Post by: FastAndLight on January 29, 2010, 05:47:27 PM If you change your mind, I just bought this rear brake lever:
(http://www.slingshotracing.net/catalog/images/web_images/DucatiBrakeLEverBlk.jpg) and this reverse shifter: (http://www.slingshotracing.net/catalog/images/web_images/rsdx.jpg) from http://www.slingshotracing.net (http://www.slingshotracing.net) I'll let you know how they look once I get them. A lot cheaper than $500, each part was $70. Title: Re: Rear brake and Shift levers Post by: Punx Clever on January 29, 2010, 05:48:42 PM But does it properly fit the stock rearsets on an s*r?
Title: Re: Rear brake and Shift levers Post by: NAKID on January 29, 2010, 06:11:00 PM But does it properly fit the stock rearsets on an s*r? It does, I have used the SSR one before, but have this one now and prefer it (it was cheaper too) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DUCATI-REVERSE-SHIFTER-Monster-S2R-S4R-695-620-ST2-ST4_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem45ed5e3f6fQQitemZ300335120239QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DUCATI-REVERSE-SHIFTER-Monster-S2R-S4R-695-620-ST2-ST4_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem45ed5e3f6fQQitemZ300335120239QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories) Title: Re: Rear brake and Shift levers Post by: FastAndLight on January 29, 2010, 09:29:33 PM It does, I have used the SSR one before, but have this one now and prefer it (it was cheaper too) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DUCATI-REVERSE-SHIFTER-Monster-S2R-S4R-695-620-ST2-ST4_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem45ed5e3f6fQQitemZ300335120239QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DUCATI-REVERSE-SHIFTER-Monster-S2R-S4R-695-620-ST2-ST4_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem45ed5e3f6fQQitemZ300335120239QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories) Those do look nice. What do you prefer (besides the price clearly)? Title: Re: Rear brake and Shift levers Post by: NAKID on January 30, 2010, 07:47:32 AM I like the one I posted better. It looks nicer in my opinion and seems to flow better with the bike...
Title: Re: Rear brake and Shift levers Post by: junior varsity on January 30, 2010, 08:26:25 AM Looks like a chinese copy of the Rizoma. With color options.
Title: Re: Rear brake and Shift levers Post by: NAKID on January 30, 2010, 08:59:37 AM That it may be, especially with the the price. It goes nicely with my Sato rearsets...
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e398/JoshFan1980/Ducati/DSC08914.jpg) Title: Re: Rear brake and Shift levers Post by: junior varsity on January 30, 2010, 09:00:58 AM They do look good.
Title: Re: Rear brake and Shift levers Post by: Punx Clever on January 30, 2010, 11:41:37 AM Could anyone post a close up of the brake levers?
Title: Re: Rear brake and Shift levers Post by: FastAndLight on February 09, 2010, 03:15:20 PM Today I installed my new levers. Or tried to. The shift lever went on in about 15 minutes, no issues. I didn't get the shortie lever and I have massive feet, so I think I might have to swap that, but I'll be able to tell better after a ride or two.
As for the rear brake lever...no joy. I took off the entire rearset to get better access to the rear brake lever and to clean the whole thing. After taking off the stock rear lever I saw just how much shorter the SSR on was...and how almost impossible to mount it was. The pedal was placed almost beneath the foot peg. I must have been installing it wrong, but I couldn't figure out where else / how else to mount it. Does anyone have any experience with the Slingshot Racing rear brake lever? Any pictures of it installed? Title: Re: Rear brake and Shift levers Post by: junior varsity on February 09, 2010, 03:51:13 PM Doubt its for Monsters - SBK rear master cylinders are mounted to the sump. Probably for that.
Title: Re: Rear brake and Shift levers Post by: FastAndLight on February 09, 2010, 03:58:03 PM Yeah, I'm very inclined to agree with you (mostly because it would mean that I'm not retarded and unable to figure out how the lever mounts to my bike). That said, SSR has the S2R Monsters listed on the website for it:
http://www.slingshotracing.net/catalog/ducati-cnc-brake-lever-p-9.html?osCsid=f533fc141baf90115233ff20bb9e23d7 (http://www.slingshotracing.net/catalog/ducati-cnc-brake-lever-p-9.html?osCsid=f533fc141baf90115233ff20bb9e23d7) Regardless, I'm pretty frustrated right now. I might just send everything back and get some of those Giles rearsets. I wonder if they make a reverse shift lever to match. Title: Re: Rear brake and Shift levers Post by: junior varsity on February 09, 2010, 04:05:08 PM Probably not. I have not seen a Gilles reverse shifter, but there are many available: DP, Rizoma, eBay (Hong Kong), and SSR. SSR is the only vendor who has responded to requests to make a shorter length lever for Monster owners. If you put rearsets on, with the pegs further back, you'd want a regular length reverse shifter and not the shorty. Your feet would be positioned more like the SBKs.
Title: Re: Rear brake and Shift levers Post by: FastAndLight on February 09, 2010, 04:12:27 PM ATO, thanks for all of the information and help with this. Do you think the shorty lever would be necessary even with my massive size 14 clown feet? From the looks of everything, the SSR lever wouldn't clash too much, but I may also just send everything back and get the cheap e-bay reverse shift lever and the Giles rearsets. I like the massive adjustability of the Giles rearset.
Title: Re: Rear brake and Shift levers Post by: junior varsity on February 09, 2010, 04:14:48 PM Well, I might recommend keeping it until you get the Gilles and decide then. If you are going to go on and get those rearsets.
If you are going to end up waiting a few weeks or longer, then send both back but take measurements! (maybe a cardboard template) Title: Re: Rear brake and Shift levers Post by: FastAndLight on February 09, 2010, 04:55:22 PM I just ordered the Gilles rearset and the E-Bay (MC Moto) reverse shift lever. I'll see which shift lever I like better and which seems to work best with the new rearset. The SSR rear brake lever is definitely going back though.
Title: Re: Rear brake and Shift levers Post by: Punx Clever on February 09, 2010, 06:05:42 PM can't the giles lever be config'd for either standard or reverse... yep, checked. it can be reverse pattern. still have the con-rod though.
Title: Re: Rear brake and Shift levers Post by: FastAndLight on February 10, 2010, 01:21:15 AM Punx, thanks for checking, I appreciate it. I don't know why I'd keep the connecting rod and all of that linkage if I could just put a lever on the shifter.
The look of the connecting rod never bothered me until I took it off and installed the direct reverse shift lever...it just looks clean and simple and I really like it. Title: Re: Rear brake and Shift levers Post by: junior varsity on February 10, 2010, 04:15:27 AM can't the giles lever be config'd for either standard or reverse... yep, checked. it can be reverse pattern. still have the con-rod though. Yes, all the aftermarket and even stock rearsets can be configured for reverse my flipping over the linkage at the shaft - the only interference problems arise when using an Evoluzione slave, which uses longer bolts. (You can search DucatiSpot or Ducati.ms for images of a guy who machined down a brand new evoluzione so he could still do linkage-based reverse shifting... instead of buying a reverse shifter - WHY is beyond me). Removing the linkage gives a really nice, positive feeling. No slop from the various connections. |