I'm overdue for a new primary "work" computer. I'm currently favoring an iMac with the big 27" screen:
(http://a248.e.akamai.net/7/248/2041/1657/store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/imac/img/product-27in.jpg)
We currently have a 6-month-old MacBook Pro (Wifey's computer), and it's been great. I would have no trouble going over to another Apple machine, even though I've been using Windows computers for work since the mid-'90's.
My question is this: Is Windows 7 at all worth consideration? Is it stable? User-friendly?
My inclination is to go with an Apple and use VM or Parallels when I need to run some MS Office applications. But I could probably save some significant $$ if I went with a Windows machine.
I'm going to make the purchase within a very short time frame, so your feedback is welcomed. [thumbsup]
It all depends really on the bulk of what you plan to do with it. Mac is catching up on running parallel applications, though it is lacking a bit on certain Office programs. Excel for one is awful on a Mac, but maybe you're not using Excel much, making it a moot point. Mac's are great for production work and media, so if that's up your alley I'd recommend Mac.
I've been solely on a Mac for 7 years now, I've never come across something that couldn't be accomplished with it.
From what I've heard and experienced with Windows 7, it is pretty stable, lightyears more than Vista, but I've come to like the Mac OS far more.
Actually, Excel and PowerPoint are pretty important for me. The rest of my writing + development work could easily be done on a Mac.
Reviews of "Office for Mac 2008" are pretty terrible. My limited experiments with the program confirm this, so I"m expecting to need to use Parallels (or similar) to run my Office appliications.
The big upside (for me anyway) is the Mac's excellent photo and video handling capabilities. Plus, I hate hate hate the antivirus/adware/spyware software crap that is a de facto requirement for Windows machines.
You may want to reconsider the 27" based on the issues reported:
"Apple's big-screen 27-inch desktop iMac still has a shipping wait time of three weeks, and one new report has alleged that the company has ceased production of new units until it can address hardware issues. Link (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/02/01/27_in_imac_delays_continue_as_rumors_of_production_halt_surface.html)
You could always boot to windows on your iMac if parallels didn't work out for you :) I have heard VMs work fine with the productivity apps in particular
Yea, both machines have upsides and downsides. The good thing is the Parallels program to boot Windows on a Mac. Mac does run Office stuff, just not as well. At least a Mac can handle them, whereas a PC would straight up struggle with the photo and video.
Plus, no viruses on Macs!
Quote from: bluemoco on February 02, 2010, 11:47:50 AM
Actually, Excel and PowerPoint are pretty important for me. The rest of my writing + development work could easily be done on a Mac.
check out numbers and keynote (iwork).
Quote from: bluemoco on February 02, 2010, 11:47:50 AM
Reviews of "Office for Mac 2008" are pretty terrible. My limited experiments with the program confirm this, so I"m expecting to need to use Parallels (or similar) to run my Office appliications.
when microsoft removed all the "advanced" stuff from the suite (vbcript, for one), there was no reason to spend any more than the $79 for iwork.
I've used Windows 7 a little, and it seems to be alright. Much better than Vista.
I haven't used a Mac for more than five minutes since photography in high school, so I've no idea there.
Also, consider Linux. My laptop is running Ubuntu 9.10, and with the Gnome desktop I haven't had any configuration problems. It runs OpenOffice, Firefox, the GIMP photo editor, etc. and runs 'em like a champ. Viruses are also a non-issue on Linux, and boot time is super quick.
Quote from: derby on February 02, 2010, 12:05:10 PM
check out numbers and keynote (iwork).
when microsoft removed all the "advanced" stuff from the suite (vbcript, for one), there was no reason to spend any more than the $79 for iwork.
we have iWork on our MacBook Pro. I don't even need another copy-we can install the software on up to 3 computers IIRC.
I tried to open some of my work-related spreadsheets with Numbers, but ran into some errors. Too many columns or rows or something. I am not at all experienced as a Numbers user, but I'm uncertain about its capabilities to handle my database work.
I would normally have agreed about Excel but after using Excel 2007 I think it's a draw. Microsoft managed to completely bugger up everything I used to do. Sorting, pivot tables, graphs....all are sooo much different than they used to be that a year later I still can't reproduce reports that I used to do in 10 minutes with the old version of Excel.
The Mac stuff doesn't seem to do macros or visual basic well, but I don't use those much. I do own the 27" iMac and it's a beautiful display and a really superb computer. I'm not a Mac zealot, but since 1999 I have consistently weighed my options and chosen an Apple product. I use Windows and Unix at work and have a lot more trouble with those.
Quote from: superjohn on February 02, 2010, 12:34:23 PM
I would normally have agreed about Excel but after using Excel 2007 I think it's a draw. Microsoft managed to completely bugger up everything I used to do. Sorting, pivot tables, graphs....all are sooo much different than they used to be that a year later I still can't reproduce reports that I used to do in 10 minutes with the old version of Excel.
The Mac stuff doesn't seem to do macros or visual basic well, but I don't use those much. I do own the 27" iMac and it's a beautiful display and a really superb computer. I'm not a Mac zealot, but since 1999 I have consistently weighed my options and chosen an Apple product. I use Windows and Unix at work and have a lot more trouble with those.
Have you experienced the hardware issues that were plaguing the 27" iMacs? iL Dood linked to some info (above). I would definitely plan to buy the AppleCare warranty anyway, but... :-\
Our local Apple store has 27" iMacs in stock right now, so availability doesn't seem to be an issue for me. I think I'd upgrade to 8gigs of RAM and get the corded keyboard with the number pad.
Quote from: bluemoco on February 02, 2010, 12:39:12 PM
Have you experienced the hardware issues that were plaguing the 27" iMacs? iL Dood linked to some info (above). I would definitely plan to buy the AppleCare warranty anyway, but... :-\
my i7 27in imac was well-behaved for the first three weeks and then developed an intermittent flicker. the first display firmware didn't resolve the issue and i applied the second one last night. so far, so good.
aside from that, it's an effin rocket.
Quote from: bluemoco on February 02, 2010, 12:39:12 PM
Our local Apple store has 27" iMacs in stock right now, so availability doesn't seem to be an issue for me. I think I'd upgrade to 8gigs of RAM and get the corded keyboard with the number pad.
i'm waiting for the 4gb ddr3 sodimm modules to come down in price so i can upgrade my macbook pro and 27imac at the same time.
i really wish they made a bluetooth full keyboard ... that said, i don't miss the 10-key pad (often).
We have both in our household, though Hubby is a Mac-Adict.
My Windows PC is for work because that's what the company wants/provides.
For everything else, the Mac is just better. We run both Mac OSX and Windows 7 on the Mac and both work perfectly well. My husband uses a Windows CAD program along with Microsoft Office with Windows 7 on the Mac. As you know, the Mac OSX, Photos and Video and the iLife suite are wonderful. We also have the Parallels emulator which we occasionally use for quick access to Word and Excel as needed.
Yes Macs cost more, but you essentially get a Mac PC and a Windows PC in one package. The best of both worlds.
Windows 7 "early" adopter here - not RC early, but Oct 22 '09 for sale production versions.
I have 2 desktops running 7 - both 64bit. One is Pro, the other Home Premium. I really like 7 so far, and do not like using XP at work anymore. In 8 months combined now between the 2 machines, I have never had a blue screen or any real problem. I had a screwy permissions issue, but I think that was due to the way I was installing a piece of software.
I have had no hardware issues other than an ancient HP printer that there was a work around. In fact, most hardware has installed easier and worked better than XP.
I would like to try a mac laptop, but I just really don't want one more technical thing I need to learn and stay brushed up on. I feel pretty good around windows, so now most likely looking at the latest dual core ULV laptops.
mitt
Mitt- Do you need a heavy arsenal of antivirus / spyware protection on your Win7 machines?
Quote from: bluemoco on February 02, 2010, 03:16:51 PM
Mitt- Do you need a heavy arsenal of antivirus / spyware protection on your Win7 machines?
I use Avast - which is free and almost transparent except for the frequent definition updates. If I was doing a clean 7 install or new machine, I would try microsoft's security essentials.
mitt
I've not had any issues with it. I wondered why I got a firmware update to solve a flicker issue that I've never seen.
Maybe I got lucky for once.
My home machine is a macbook pro 2.33 Intel Core 2 Duo with 3 Gig Ram. I am running both snow leopard and win 7 premium (via vm-ware) (got to love MSDN membership). I give 2 gig to win7 when running it and use visual studio 2008 and sql server 2008 and its been very good. As for microsoft office , i have office 2007 running on my win7 and office 2008 on my mac. No issues there. I am running the complimentary macafee on win7 that came with vm-ware.
Why not have the best of both worlds :-)
Quote from: ab on February 02, 2010, 04:27:47 PM
Why not have the best of both worlds :-)
I am always surprised how many mac owners use windows also.
mitt
Quote from: mitt on February 02, 2010, 05:19:48 PM
I am always surprised how many mac owners use windows also.
mitt
1) have to use windows for my job...
2) the
only reason i use windows at home is to run quicken.
Mitt, are both your computers running Win7 new boxes or old stuff? I put together a new box for 7 and am getting BSD. Think it's my old video card.
As for MS Office, I still use 2003. The new Office is a PITA. I can't find half the stuff I need w/o searching for it in the help whereas in 2003 I can whiz through things and actually find stuff in the menus.
If it means anything, big business is still using XP. By big business, I mean AT&T. They don't have any plans to fully move to Win7 for another 3 years at least.
Quote from: erkishhorde on February 02, 2010, 05:43:12 PM
If it means anything, big business is still using XP. By big business, I mean AT&T. They don't have any plans to fully move to Win7 for another 3 years at least.
extended support for xp sp3 ends april 2014. we're rolling office 2007 in the next 6 months and we're testing deployment of win7 now. we'll likely roll that in the next 12 months.
Quote from: derby on February 02, 2010, 05:36:34 PM
1) have to use windows for my job...
Same story. I really prefer Mac.
I run VM Fusion (superior to Parallels IMHO) because I need to run MS Projects. I also prefer MS Excel.
My Macs really just seem to be a superior product & I am willing to spend more $ to get a superior product.
i'm lucky... i get to use a mac @ work and @ home ;D
we have one of the 27" imacs with the flicker issue at work
I'm in stuck in a spot where I have to use both MAC & Windows because of high performance software at work I use. I also use xp and 7.
MAC rules windows drools.
The MAC hardware and software is always magically stable an high performing.
I just put together another PC with the IT team using the best components we could find. The old midrange MAC still out shines the PC in almost every measurable way for my uses in image heavy, 3D, video etc.
The MACs we have NEVER crash. The brand new PC crashes or freezes or gets slow constantly so do everyone's PCs in the office. It's just part of life people think.
I sent one top of the line Dell (oxymoron) back after testing it had failures got another, and this one crashes too though it's hardware tests pass. Windows sucks on a really basic level from my experience. Our IT guy loves Windows because he looooves to fix things. There is no IT guy who services the MACs. We have full time employees who just fix PCs all day. We don't need anyone for the MACs. Hello? What does that tell you? Does anyone want to say PCs are less expensive? Include the IT guy, down time and recalculate.
Neither is perfect both make mistakes, neither do everything, but there is no comparison between the basic experience usuing Windows or Apple from my pov.
Windows is like work, APPLE is like play.
Quote from: DuCaTiNi on February 03, 2010, 12:51:32 AM
i'm lucky... i get to use a mac @ work and @ home ;D
we have one of the 27" imacs with the flicker issue at work
You sure are lucky to use mac at work as well as home. [thumbsup]
(http://goldenwestcollege.edu/cs/bkstr/images/apple-logo.jpg)
I think I'm going to be satisfied for a while with The Dell Laptop that I have running Vista. Now that I cleaned some things up and started running Microsoft security essentials, there are no issues other than, I tunes won't connect to the I tunes store. (Maybe a reeboot will solve that.) But when this thing gets old I'm definitely going to give Mac a serious look. Now that I found a Survey/CAD program that will run on apple, I only have 1 program that needs windows and I don't use it all the time.
It's always been the programs or lack of programs for the Mac that have kept me away, but that seems to be changing.
Thanks for the great responses, everybody! This discussion has been extremely helpful.
One final question for those of you who use the 27iMac- any regrets on choosing the 27 over the 21? Seems like the 21 is immune to the display issues.
Quote from: bluemoco on February 03, 2010, 05:52:18 AM
Thanks for the great responses, everybody! This discussion has been extremely helpful.
One final question for those of you who use the 27iMac- any regrets on choosing the 27 over the 21? Seems like the 21 is immune to the display issues.
none at all... then again, the specs i got (quad core i7) aren't available in the 21in.
Well, I pulled the big trigger this afternoon. This is my first DMF post from my new 27iMac. ;D [thumbsup]
Quote from: bluemoco on February 03, 2010, 11:38:21 AM
Well, I pulled the big trigger this afternoon. This is my first DMF post from my new 27iMac. ;D [thumbsup]
c2d? i5? i7? what'd ya get?
Best of both worlds, install BootCamp.
I don't want to read through the whole thread because these all degenerate into my mac is better than your pc is better than your mac is better than your pc is better than you mac regurgitations.
Personally, I am a PC guy. And I think Mac is the best computer you can get for people who know nothing about computers. (I keed I keed [evil])
Quote from: derby on February 03, 2010, 11:53:00 AM
c2d? i5? i7? what'd ya get?
3.06 c2d. Upgraded to 8gigs of ram (4x2)
stayed with the standard (wireless) keyboard and mouse
It's pretty amazingly simple to set this up and get it running. My email accounts are already running, I've loaded 2 new browsers (Firefox 3.6 and Chrome).
We already own a 'family' version of iWork, so I can load that tonight. Bought a copy of MS Office for Mac 2008, despite my misgivings about it. Also picked up a copy of Photoshop Elements 8 for some work-related photo jobs.
Should be fun to get it all sorted out. I think the hardest part will be getting the Canon MX860 multi-function working properly. [laugh]
Quote from: erkishhorde on February 02, 2010, 05:43:12 PM
Mitt, are both your computers running Win7 new boxes or old stuff? I put together a new box for 7 and am getting BSD. Think it's my old video card.
One of each. First - 2 year old decent machine for CAD (Core 2 Duo, 6gb ram, 256GB video card). Second cheaper new machine with Celeron dual core, 4gb ram, and onboard video for htpc.
That sucks you are having BS issues. Did you do a clean install, or upgrade?
Quote from: erkishhorde on February 02, 2010, 05:43:12 PM
As for MS Office, I still use 2003. The new Office is a PITA. I can't find half the stuff I need w/o searching for it in the help whereas in 2003 I can whiz through things and actually find stuff in the menus.
I am slowly coming around to office 2007. I hate when software co's move menus just for the sake of moving, but there are some new features too that are OK too. I am still faster in 2003 though.
mitt
As you start installing new software and finding replacements for your PC programs, versiontracker.com will become your friend.
Some of my favorite Mac apps include:
MPEG Streamclip, Transmit/Fetch, Handbrake, Cooliris, Combine PDFs, AppZapper, Adium, A Better Finder Renamer, MPlayer OS X, VLC, Vuze (was azureus) . . . . most of these are free.
Enjoy your new toy!
Quote from: NoisyDante on February 04, 2010, 02:42:04 PM
As you start installing new software and finding replacements for your PC programs, versiontracker.com will become your friend.
Some of my favorite Mac apps include:
MPEG Streamclip, Transmit/Fetch, Handbrake, Cooliris, Combine PDFs, AppZapper, Adium, A Better Finder Renamer, MPlayer OS X, VLC, Vuze (was azureus) . . . . most of these are free.
Enjoy your new toy!
Cool! Thanks for the tips. I've got most everything working to my satisfaction within 24 hours. Loaded Office, iWork, Photoshop Elements 8, and I'm playing with browsers (Safari, Firefox, Chrome). I had to load an older version of Firefox, but that's ok. (not because of my system, but I have website editing issues with 3.6)
I'm dumping all the old files from my Windows laptop into a portable HD. I can then pour all these files (mostly pictures, itunes, and critical work docs) into my new computer at a rapid rate. I should be done with the file migration by the time I go to bed tonight. I did have to do some actual 'work' today, too. [laugh]
I even got the Canon multi-function working well! it's linked to my wireless network, and I verified the scan, copy, and fax functions today. i'm lovin' the duplex-scanning ability!
The Bluetooth keyboard isn't as comfy as my old Microsoft ergo keyboard. It feels like I'm on a laptop keyboard. The jury's still out on this - especially if my wrists get sore. :-\
Quote from: bluemoco on February 04, 2010, 02:56:41 PM
The Bluetooth keyboard isn't as comfy as my old Microsoft ergo keyboard. It feels like I'm on a laptop keyboard. The jury's still out on this - especially if my wrists get sore. :-\
i actually held mine up to my macbook pro and they're the exact same size. ;D
i ALSO held it up to my previous "full sized" keyboard, and it's within 1mm of the "letters and numbers" side of the keyboard. read: it's the same size.
Quote from: derby on February 04, 2010, 03:00:51 PM
i actually held mine up to my macbook pro and they're the exact same size. ;D
Seems small when it's just the buttons on a slim piece of steel/plastic. [laugh]
It's not 'bad' per se, just different from my old setup. This is my 'old' keyboard:
(http://www.techsouq.com/images/B2M-00006B2M-00006-34986734876.jpg)
Quote from: bluemoco on February 04, 2010, 03:03:40 PM
Seems small when it's just the buttons on a slim piece of steel/plastic. [laugh]
It's not 'bad' per se, just different from my old setup. This is my 'old' keyboard:
yup.. it's definitely going to feel different than an 'ergo' keyboard.
you can always hook your old one up to the mac. just use the windows keys for "command."
try the USB, extended version of the aluminum keyboard that includes the numeric pad.
i LoVe it! [thumbsup]
whenever i use any other keyboard, it feels like i'm typing on one of these:
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ExEZZ9f9YZm9EM:http://www.worldofstock.com/slides/PHI1259.jpg)
i've got this new mouse at work, i'm still getting used to it, even after a couple of weeks.
the entire top surface controls scrolling (in any direction) when you slide your finger across it.
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:3UI1drTkJqd7dM:http://www.hit-product.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Apple-Magic-Mouse.jpg)
Quote from: DuCaTiNi on February 05, 2010, 01:01:09 AM
try the USB, extended version of the aluminum keyboard that includes the numeric pad.
i LoVe it! [thumbsup]
whenever i use any other keyboard, it feels like i'm typing on one of these:
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ExEZZ9f9YZm9EM:http://www.worldofstock.com/slides/PHI1259.jpg)
i've got this new mouse at work, i'm still getting used to it, even after a couple of weeks.
the entire top surface controls scrolling (in any direction) when you slide your finger across it.
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:3UI1drTkJqd7dM:http://www.hit-product.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Apple-Magic-Mouse.jpg)
I was going to get the corded keyboard with the number pad, but the Apple store folks would only sell it as an accessory for $49. If you order your computer from apple.com, you can get the 10-key keyboard as a no-charge option. I still may get one, but I'm living with the bluetooth keyboard for now. I may also go back to my microsoft ergo keyboard if my wrists get really sore.
The mouse is cool - it was standard equipment with the new iMac. [thumbsup]
Both my keyboard and mouse can be connected seamlessly to Wifey's MacBook Pro. I do like the touchpad on the MB Pro, though. A mouse is not really necessary.
FWIW, I've been dabbling with Office 2008 for Mac - it's got a few quirks, but it's the easiest way for me to manage the Excel and Powerpoint files that I use on a regular basis. I may not need to do the VM / Parallels / boot camp deal after all.
Quote from: bluemoco on February 03, 2010, 11:38:21 AM
Well, I pulled the big trigger this afternoon. This is my first DMF post from my new 27iMac. ;D [thumbsup]
Congrats on the purchase!! I made the switch to Mac about three years ago and haven't looked back. Although I am looking at the option of some upgrades for my iMac. ;)
Anybody have a recommendation for a "Solid Works" type software for Macs?
I have Vectorworks but it is no comparison.
Rhino is quite good. At the moment I run it on bootcamp PC side of my MAC. However they have launched a MAC version, RHINO OSX. The rendering engine plug-ins available for it absolutely ROCK! Way better, easier, faster, than Solid Works and even ALIAS Which is hard to believe.
My favorite is VRAY. Maxwell is getting a lot of reviews.
Note the RHINO OSX cannot run the PC plugins. Soon hopefully.
What are you doing with it?
Just bought a Macbook Pro, 13". Comes with snow leopard and iLife.
Any suggestions for peripherals or add-ons? I'm only going to be using it to surf the web, store our photos and video, that kind of thing.
Quote from: JBubble on February 09, 2010, 05:38:03 PM
Just bought a Macbook Pro, 13". Comes with snow leopard and iLife.
Any suggestions for peripherals or add-ons? I'm only going to be using it to surf the web, store our photos and video, that kind of thing.
Well it already comes with 2gigs of ram and a decent harddrive, so no real need to upgrade those just yet. I listed some of my favorite apps earlier on this page, most of which were free. Perhaps it might be an idea to get an external firewire harddrive to store your photos and music as a backup so in the event of a crash or something you won't lose anything memorable.
Quote from: JBubble on February 09, 2010, 05:38:03 PM
Just bought a Macbook Pro, 13". Comes with snow leopard and iLife. Any suggestions for peripherals or add-ons? I'm only going to be using it to surf the web, store our photos and video, that kind of thing.
The iLife Suite is pretty sweet. iPhoto is very good at editing, cataloging and categorizing your photos. My husband uses Photoshop Elements for his creative photo work, but I have never found a need for it with the new iPhoto.
The Time Machine Back Up utility works very well, but you will need an External Hard Drive to utilize it. Any External Drive that uses USB 2 will work well; I have used Lacie Drives for Years with very good results (There are plenty of others that work well too). The Apple Time Machine Hard Drive / Wireless Access Point is not worth all the hype in my opinion.
As for Web Surfing, Safari is good, Firefox works well on the Mac and may look more familiar to former Windows users.
Best Wishes with it.
Cool, thanks ladies and gents.
I cannot see why anyone would buy a MAC when you can buy 2 windows machines for the same money , the Mac is good but its not twice as good ...so ripoff or trendy FAD .also outside of USA when Macs go wrong your on your own wheras windows machines can be fixed anywhere.
Quote from: jerryz on February 10, 2010, 06:05:26 AM
I cannot see why anyone would buy a MAC when you can buy 2 windows machines for the same money , the Mac is good but its not twice as good ...so ripoff or trendy FAD .also outside of USA when Macs go wrong your on your own wheras windows machines can be fixed anywhere.
i've posted price comparisons on the forum previously. no matter what you think, you're not going to get two
identically spec'd windows machines for the price of one apple.
as expensive as they are, mac pros (with the server-grade processors) are downright bargains compared to hp and dell workstations (real workstations, not the consumer desktop machines).
now is a "low time" for the macbook pro, as it's due for a refresh. if i hadn't gotten such a good deal on my new one (purchased in november), i would've waited for the new model.
regarding "when macs go wrong," are you referring to hardware issues or just general support? in the last decade, i've only had to take my hardware in for service once (out of warranty, free of charge system board replacement due to a bad nvidia gpu). had i not had an apple store close to me, they would've paid for shipping both ways.
if your'e referring to os/software support, i'd think your support options would be about even.
Quote from: derby on February 10, 2010, 06:50:04 AM
regarding "when macs go wrong," are you referring to hardware issues or just general support? in the last decade, i've only had to take my hardware in for service once (out of warranty, free of charge system board replacement due to a bad nvidia gpu). had i not had an apple store close to me, they would've paid for shipping both ways.
I have a Powerbook I bought in 2003, and it's still running fine. The G5 I bought in 2005 handles all of my post production apps, had one issue with it in '06 but I traced it to a faulty ram chip, which was replaced for free, and never had a problem since. Macs are damn solid.
I'd get a Mac. The ability to run another OS, solid construction, etc, etc, make it the better choice. Also, the Mac version of MS Office may not be great but it's still an option. Personally, I prefer iWork ($79). I don't number crunch in a way that has forced me to move away from Numbers and the ease of use is awesome.
Also, the AppleStore offers 1:1. if I'm not mistaken, if you purchase it with your Mac, a representative will transfer your pc data to your Mac and you can schedule 1:1 training sessions for a year. Many of my friends have opted for it and love it.
1+ for the Mac. On my 10th system, started in 99' with OS9 on a 1st Gen iMac. You can't go wrong, and you can tri boot the OS ( I have OSX, Windoze 7 Ult, adding Ubuntu Linux). The system just does what it's suppose to, a monkey can use it, IT can mod it till their hearts content in the Terminal. No viruses to date, sleek aluminum case design, not that ugly plastic crap that's bulky. And this is coming from a Dell employee. ;D
Quote from: Desmostro on February 03, 2010, 02:28:06 AM
...We have full time employees who just fix PCs all day. We don't need anyone for the Macs because they actually work. Hello? What does that tell you? Does anyone want to say PCs are less expensive? Include the IT guy, down time and recalculate.
Windows is like work, APPLE is like play.
Quote from: jerryz on February 10, 2010, 06:05:26 AM
I cannot see why anyone would buy a MAC when you can buy 2 windows machines for the same money , the Mac is good but its not twice as good ...so ripoff or trendy FAD .also outside of USA when Macs go wrong your on your own wheras windows machines can be fixed anywhere.
My friend Booker has a Macbook pro only 2 years old which failed a few weeks ago and even in singapore they cant fix it , he bought a Dell instead.
My daughter is a MAC fiend she and her husband own 18 of the things.
here in Thailand Its a no brainer I can go to any Mall and buy 2 high spec windows laptops for the price of one Macbook pro .
PC = gaming
Mac = everything else.
and a PC won't get you laid.
/thread
Quote from: factorPlayer on February 14, 2010, 04:05:06 PM
PC = gaming
Mac = everything else.
and a PC won't get you laid.
/thread
Jesus, what sort of ports are they putting in macs these days?
Jobs' next great idea ;D
Quote from: jerryz on February 11, 2010, 05:55:47 AM
My friend Booker has a Macbook pro only 2 years old which failed a few weeks ago and even in singapore they cant fix it , he bought a Dell instead.
My daughter is a MAC fiend she and her husband own 18 of the things.
here in Thailand Its a no brainer I can go to any Mall and buy 2 high spec windows laptops for the price of one Macbook pro .
Chances are, your friends Macbook failed for the same reason most have. Nvidia has admitted that their GPU caused a large number of logic boards to fail. Mine actually just went out 2 weeks ago as well (free repair even though it was out of warranty). That being said, the Mac OSX holds up incredibly well and depending on how it comes back, I may be able to comment on how it holds up to hardware failure. LOL For those wanting to use office programs on it, I've found that the Iwork programs work great for me and export to windows formats fairly well. At least none of my college professors have commented on any problems because of it...