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Title: New bike - not that i'm in any way giving up, just need to occupy my thoughts
Post by: White Lion on February 13, 2010, 07:13:23 PM
So, i would most likely not try and repeat the monster, unless i could find one that was in as good condition as my one was. Always wanted a race bike(was going to be second bike), obviously 848 and 1098(both would be second hand) are on the list although i'd prefer the 1098 just for the dry clutch. The other option is a second hand MV Agusta F4. I've ridden one before, but not that informed about the MV world. 

Any thoughts?


Title: Re: New bike - not that i'm in any way giving up, just need to occupy my thoughts
Post by: techno on February 13, 2010, 08:27:32 PM
I test rode an 848 last week. Obviously very different riding position to the monster and a different experience really. But that might be what your after. MV's are inline 4's so not the low end power of a 1098 I suspect.

Lets hope you get your monster back first.


Title: Re: New bike - not that i'm in any way giving up, just need to occupy my thought
Post by: White Lion on February 13, 2010, 10:13:07 PM
for sure about the monster. Having a meeting with my stations boss tomorrow morning about some things.....

Reason for thinking in the direction of a race bike is more that i don't believe i can find another monster that has been looked after as well. Just can't replace the one i had....


Title: Re: New bike - not that i'm in any way giving up, just need to occupy my thoughts
Post by: mattyvas on February 13, 2010, 10:26:24 PM
Yeah I'd agree with that, finding another Monster like your own is always difficult when replacing a stolen one.
An MV is a pretty nice bike, they are quite well priced on the 2nd hand market.
I do know from other owners and one or two people on here entertaining the idea of an MV that parts are not cheap.
And we're not talking Ducati expensive we're talking even more than that.


Title: Re: New bike - not that i'm in any way giving up, just need to occupy my thought
Post by: White Lion on February 13, 2010, 10:29:26 PM
Well if that's the story Matty, i think i may stick with Ducs. The secondhand market for MV's is cheap, but I would prefer to have a Duc anyway.


Title: Re: New bike - not that i'm in any way giving up, just need to occupy my thoughts
Post by: mattyvas on February 13, 2010, 11:19:08 PM
Yeah Melvin looked at swapping his about a year ago for a Brutale.
Then he looked at CF and others parts, he said his eyes were watering like he had just peeled a dozen onions.


Title: Re: New bike - not that i'm in any way giving up, just need to occupy my thoughts
Post by: Spider on February 14, 2010, 12:17:58 AM
ah, good things come to those with patience.....I lost a black Monster with 25,000k'ms on it and got another black monster, with bling and 25,000k's. same engine, same forks, same mileage, same price...and this one got to continue were the other one left off!

you never know!

we do know that the 992 engine is the best engine out there obviously, cause they keep getting nicked!!!!


Title: Re: New bike - not that i'm in any way giving up, just need to occupy my thoughts
Post by: goldFiSh on February 14, 2010, 01:09:40 AM
OK, I'm going to add a SC1000 to the mix, preferably an 06 (and even more preferably, a Paul Smart)

The DS engine, more aggressive ergos, and a real bling machine.
Not without it's issues as stock (like most ducs) - needs new tyres and rims, a zard exhaust (as these are the most awesome aftermarket zorts for the SC's) and a brake upgrade, but (the smart) does come with o-o-ohlins and the engine you know and love....


Title: Re: New bike - not that i'm in any way giving up, just need to occupy my thoughts
Post by: mattyvas on February 14, 2010, 01:40:20 AM
Yep I'd agree with all of that.
I think an SC turns more heads than many.
We all know that when the Paul Smart comes out of Dock's garage it gets  ;D everywhere it goes.
I know it's one bike I'd love to have parked in the garage.


Title: Re: New bike - not that i'm in any way giving up, just need to occupy my thoughts
Post by: Mr.S2R on February 14, 2010, 01:48:45 AM
yeah saw a nice sc1000 last Friday on the way to work - the guy was wearing an open face and had old school jacket - termis on the back, but nice bike! ;D

so you guys saying something like this?

Ducati SC 1000 - Arrow full exhaust (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZ5UPg55va0#normal)


Title: Re: New bike - not that i'm in any way giving up, just need to occupy my thoughts
Post by: goldFiSh on February 14, 2010, 02:07:43 AM
like this!

Zards (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjgHyjRW7VI&NR=1#normal)


Title: Re: New bike - not that i'm in any way giving up, just need to occupy my thoughts
Post by: goldFiSh on February 14, 2010, 02:09:03 AM
and a nice techo write up as usual from mr brad black

http://www.bikeboy.org/sport1000zard.html (http://www.bikeboy.org/sport1000zard.html)


Title: Re: New bike - not that i'm in any way giving up, just need to occupy my thoughts
Post by: goldFiSh on February 14, 2010, 02:21:50 AM
or if the SC is too rich and new, perhaps a 1000SS? Again, more agressive pos, same 1000DS engine

linky link (http://www.bikesales.com.au/all-bikes/private/details.aspx?R=3140157&__sid=125DC350FFC8&__Qpb=true&Cr=0&__Ns=p_RankSort_Int32|1||p_Make_String|0||p_Model_String|0||p_YearMade_Int32|1||p_PriceSort_Decimal|1&keywords=&__N=1432%20604%201430%201429%201428%204294967242%204294965928&SearchAction=N&seot=1&__Nne=15&trecs=1&silo=1400)


Title: Re: New bike - not that i'm in any way giving up, just need to occupy my thought
Post by: White Lion on February 14, 2010, 10:36:18 AM
It's funny you guys have mentioned the Sc1000.  Last night i was surfing around and remembered the SC. When i purchased the monster, the other bike i was throwing around was one of these. After watching those Vids i think you almost have me sold. Especially loved the sound of the yellow one.

On another note: can you ever make a 1098 sound like an angry Duc? (like the yellow SC)


Title: Re: New bike - not that i'm in any way giving up, just need to occupy my thoughts
Post by: mattyvas on February 14, 2010, 12:33:44 PM
Not at low or idle rpm.
The 4V engine's only really sound good at 6thou+ IMO
Having run both types, the 2V engines always give me a woody when you hear them down low.
But the 4V engine sounds  [evil] when opened up.


Title: Re: New bike - not that i'm in any way giving up, just need to occupy my thought
Post by: White Lion on February 14, 2010, 08:22:54 PM
Well, I made a trip to frasers today and test rode some bikes....

848: Was a little worried that it didn't have a dry clutch. Still felt amazing, although doing 100clicks in second gear without any real feeling of an angry duc engine kind of turned me off it. Think it is by far the best looking bike i've seen, but it just doesn't crackle and hiss like a DS engine.

Monster1100: Loved the engine, although i'm still not sold on the looks. Prefer the old image. My favourite bike of the day.

Hyper: Once again, loved the engine, not the looks though. Sit up to high, doesn't feel like i was connected to the road.
 [coffee]



Title: Re: New bike - not that i'm in any way giving up, just need to occupy my thought
Post by: Mr.S2R on February 14, 2010, 09:17:21 PM
848: Was a little worried that it didn't have a dry clutch.
what worried you about the clutch? - from my (limited) understanding the clutch is a slipper type unit and should be a good unit under engine braking.  Or doesn't have the feel or the sound (my favourite part) of a dry clutch - part of the reason I bought my Monster.  [thumbsup]

848 are aesthetically pleasing, but I did wonder if they lacked the 'power band' feeling you got from a 748/749.  ;D


Title: Re: New bike - not that i'm in any way giving up, just need to occupy my thought
Post by: White Lion on February 14, 2010, 09:41:43 PM
Not worried about the performance, just the lack of sound  ;D


Title: Re: New bike - not that i'm in any way giving up, just need to occupy my thought
Post by: Mr.S2R on February 14, 2010, 11:01:04 PM
Not worried about the performance, just the lack of sound  ;D
well that is the essence of a Ducati!  [thumbsup] ;D


Title: Re: New bike - not that i'm in any way giving up, just need to occupy my thought
Post by: hambo on February 15, 2010, 12:01:19 AM
yes i guess we all spend time thinking about what other great bikes are out there ....probably no perfect bike ....yet ....but for me since xmas the monster and i have  done some touring ...2000k in 4 days doen thru the NSW and Vic Alpine region  :). :).............a bit of track fun at EC.. :o.....and probably a dozen or so rides up and around the old hiway...gosford .Hunter Valley..etc. [moto].......put that together with the looks ...sound ...and character of the monster .....and i cant think of another bike that could do it all so well...............any way ...hope u find the s2r..............regards


Title: Re: New bike - not that i'm in any way giving up, just need to occupy my thoughts
Post by: Spider on February 15, 2010, 09:37:27 AM
perfect bike in a world without without speed limits: 848s (ohlins both end, dry clutch, forged wheels)

best bike in Melbourne lately: the pushie!


Title: Re: New bike - not that i'm in any way giving up, just need to occupy my thought
Post by: White Lion on February 15, 2010, 03:03:26 PM
Anyone have a sports classic here? Interested to know how they ride...

There's a 2007 monster for sale, http://www.bikesales.com.au/all-bikes/dealer/details.aspx?R=7177784&ref=RecentItem&__Ns=p_RankSort_Int32%7c1%7c%7cp_Make_String%7c0%7c%7cp_Model_String%7c0%7c%7cp_YearMade_Int32%7c1%7c%7cp_PriceSort_Decimal%7c1&__N=1432%20604%201430%201429%201428%204294967242%20753%20690&__Nne=15, (http://www.bikesales.com.au/all-bikes/dealer/details.aspx?R=7177784&ref=RecentItem&__Ns=p_RankSort_Int32%7c1%7c%7cp_Make_String%7c0%7c%7cp_Model_String%7c0%7c%7cp_YearMade_Int32%7c1%7c%7cp_PriceSort_Decimal%7c1&__N=1432%20604%201430%201429%201428%204294967242%20753%20690&__Nne=15,) which is exactly what my one was-less the bling.

There's also a SC1000, http://www.bikesales.com.au/all-bikes/dealer/details.aspx?R=7701889&ref=RecentItem&__Ns=p_RankSort_Int32%7c1%7c%7cp_Make_String%7c0%7c%7cp_Model_String%7c0%7c%7cp_YearMade_Int32%7c1%7c%7cp_PriceSort_Decimal%7c1&__N=1432%20604%201430%201429%201428%204294967242%20753%20690&__Nne=15, (http://www.bikesales.com.au/all-bikes/dealer/details.aspx?R=7701889&ref=RecentItem&__Ns=p_RankSort_Int32%7c1%7c%7cp_Make_String%7c0%7c%7cp_Model_String%7c0%7c%7cp_YearMade_Int32%7c1%7c%7cp_PriceSort_Decimal%7c1&__N=1432%20604%201430%201429%201428%204294967242%20753%20690&__Nne=15,) which i do like the look of....


The monster is overpriced, especially with no bling...


Title: Re: New bike - not that i'm in any way giving up, just need to occupy my thoughts
Post by: Mr.S2R on February 15, 2010, 04:00:34 PM
typical dealer overpricing on the S2R.

the SC does look good, has some goodies on it too!  [thumbsup]

but surely a Monster is your first love?  ??? ;D ;D


Title: Re: New bike - not that i'm in any way giving up, just need to occupy my thoughts
Post by: Spider on February 15, 2010, 07:45:28 PM
ring em up and offer them $10,500 for it...go up to $11,000

The Dealer


Title: Re: New bike - not that i'm in any way giving up, just need to occupy my thought
Post by: White Lion on February 15, 2010, 08:17:57 PM
18000 a bit rude for basically a stock monster. I do like the low km's though.....


Title: Re: New bike - not that i'm in any way giving up, just need to occupy my thought
Post by: Spider on February 15, 2010, 08:29:29 PM
18000 a bit rude for basically a stock monster. I do like the low km's though.....

rude? I looked in the picture to see if it came with a bonus s2r800 as backup  ;D


Title: Re: New bike - not that i'm in any way giving up, just need to occupy my thought
Post by: White Lion on February 15, 2010, 08:32:20 PM
Haha, just sent them a message offering 14500 cash... Worth a try.

On another note, what about the s4rs? I know that thing has some balls.....


Title: Re: New bike - not that i'm in any way giving up, just need to occupy my thought
Post by: 748s on February 15, 2010, 08:42:55 PM
Anyone have a sports classic here? Interested to know how they ride.......................


Front steps out a bit, lots of head shake.
Reports of some going into uncontrollable tank slappers on straight roads (all from the usa).
Stock wheels are heavy and flex a bit. Stock tyres are like licorice [laugh]

Mine has improved a 1000% with a steering damper.
Still can be improved, I've got 10 spoke marchesinis/PP's (waiting for rear bearings and spacer, grrrrrrrr >:(), Showa/S4R forks, 996r brembos.

The SC1000 is a basically a naked SS with downgraded components.
You'll have to spend some $$$ to upgrade those bits.
The Paul Smart has ohlins [thumbsup]

Sounds ordinary but I like it a lot.

Asking price for both those bikes is way to much.
The SC's didn't sell well, I got a 2006 new in 2009 for $16900 ride away.
Used ones usually don't sell quickly, priced way to high.

Agree with spider..........opening offer for either bike should be $10,500.

Note chicken strips........that's as far as i'll trust the stock setup.
(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn174/748s/IMG_0007.jpg)

Stage 1
(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn174/748s/IMG_0002.jpg)

TMSD
(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn174/748s/IMG_0035.jpg)






Title: Re: New bike - not that i'm in any way giving up, just need to occupy my thought
Post by: White Lion on February 15, 2010, 09:42:59 PM
well, that was a report! thanks for that. Front end on the SC sounds a bit  :o

That have to be kidding if they think they can get those prices.  The SC does look good though


Title: Re: New bike - not that i'm in any way giving up, just need to occupy my thoughts
Post by: Spider on February 16, 2010, 01:10:25 AM
Hugh, please tell me your kidding about that offer!

Bring your chequebook and come down here, I have a bike for YOU!!!!!!


Title: Re: New bike - not that i'm in any way giving up, just need to occupy my thought
Post by: White Lion on February 16, 2010, 07:53:33 AM
Hugh, please tell me your kidding about that offer!

Bring your chequebook and come down here, I have a bike for YOU!!!!!!
;)


Title: Re: New bike - not that i'm in any way giving up, just need to occupy my thoughts
Post by: Betty on February 24, 2010, 01:40:05 PM
It is my understanding that the 848 can be 'upgraded' to a dry clutch and that the later model SCs actually had a wet clutch ... a couple of things to keep in mind.

Also because we can become accustomed to our own bikes and their sounds remember that most (if not all) modern Ducatis are going to sound a little uninspired if they have a standard exhaust ... just a friendly reminder.


Title: Re: New bike - not that i'm in any way giving up, just need to occupy my thoughts
Post by: Mr.S2R on February 24, 2010, 03:14:10 PM
It is my understanding that the 848 can be 'upgraded' to a dry clutch and that the later model SCs actually had a wet clutch ... a couple of things to keep in mind.
From my understanding only the two seat model SC had wet clutch.


Title: Re: New bike - not that i'm in any way giving up, just need to occupy my thoughts
Post by: Dockstrada on February 24, 2010, 08:24:00 PM
I have a Paul Smart 1000 and love it .
Haven't had the problems 748s speaks of... mine handles like its on rails, once you change the tires. It dose have a Ohlins steering damper.

It's a good all rounder,If your not so fussed on the fairing go for the SC1000 the SC1000s is a killer on your back on long runs as the bars are really low,the SC1000 has higher bars and an optional bar raisers and if you want dry clutch go for 05 06 .

here i am having some fun on the track (stock tires) running Diablo's now
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3292/3134175460_6327a41f88_o.jpg)

Here she is mixing with some monsters  ;D
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2425/4044188250_baec18fe5c.jpg)



Title: Re: New bike - not that i'm in any way giving up, just need to occupy my thought
Post by: 748s on February 24, 2010, 10:39:10 PM
>I have a Paul Smart 1000 and love it .
Haven't had the problems 748s speaks of... mine handles like its on rails, once you change the tires. It dose have a Ohlins steering damper.<.........

.......And ohlins forks and an ohlins shock ;D
The rest come with non adjustable forks, a basic rear shock, no steering damper and the same dodgy tyres [laugh]

I'll be keeping mine.
It's a beast, just needs a few things to fix it.


Title: Re: New bike - not that i'm in any way giving up, just need to occupy my thoughts
Post by: Mr.S2R on February 25, 2010, 12:34:58 AM
I have a Paul Smart 1000 and love it .
That's a SMART looking bike  [thumbsup] - sorry just had to say it! ;D

Actually envious/jealous of you!


Title: Re: New bike - not that i'm in any way giving up, just need to occupy my thoughts
Post by: goldFiSh on February 25, 2010, 02:11:30 AM
yeah, but it needs the Zards, right Dock?


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