Ducati Monster Forum

first -- I'm not posting this as I make custom exhausts and it affects me -- I'm posting it because it is a stupid.  Imagine if we all had to ride around with stock Ducati exhaust systems that make our Ducati's sound like damaged sewing machines?  No more Termi's, Zard's, Arrows, RoadRacing, Conti's, etc.  Only factory approved exhausts or replacement systems that are certified replacements in terms of sound and EPA rules.  (note: the guys who run my BoomTubes without ANY baffles -- I have no clue how they do it -- none are sold that way and they remove themselves later -- way way too loud for street use in this configuration)

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UTAH STATE LEGISLATURE -- First Substitute S.B. 106 -- Senator Patricia W. Jones proposes the following substitute bill:

General Description:
             10          This bill modifies the Motor Vehicles Code by amending provisions relating to noise
             11      suppressing system standards for exhaust muffler systems on motor vehicles.
             12      Highlighted Provisions:
             13          This bill:
             14          .    provides that a motor vehicle shall be equipped with a muffler that:
             15              .    is installed by the original manufacturer of the vehicle and is not modified or
             16      meets specifications equivalent to the muffler installed by the original
             17      manufacturer of the vehicle and is not modified; and
             18              .    is in compliance with federal law;
             19          .    provides that a person may not operate a motor vehicle which produces excessive or
             20      unusual noise on a highway; and
             21          .    makes technical changes.


link --> http://le.utah.gov/~2010/bills/sbillint/sb0106s01.htm (http://le.utah.gov/~2010/bills/sbillint/sb0106s01.htm)

For those of you in Utah, it wouldn't be a bad idea to contact your senator / representative and let them know your feelings...

I have dp carbon exhaust, so I am guilty, but my bike is maybe 100db's.  Yet, I almost support some sort of stricter penalties due to all the dumb-asses that are running 140db straight pipes on big cc twins - I can hear them from 4 or 5 blocks away.   What is the right answer?


mitt

We were able to fight similar legislation (bike specific) in NYC.  Since NYC's legislation was based on the federal regulation noise label on the exhaust we were able to fight the bills based on the truth that neither the EPA nor the manufacturers complied with the regulation and the label was only required to be on the bike for one year.  Unfortunately, your case not identical and the fight may be more difficult.  Most important is to organize, meet with your legislators and show up at hearings.  Oh, "loud pipes save lives" will not work.   If, for instance, Utah's proposed law is more stringent than the Federal law you may have something to work with.  You might want to visit our website, http://www.nycmag.org (http://www.nycmag.org) to get some ideas.  Hit "FORUM" and look through "Jane's Corner" and "Legislation". 

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Payment has been sent for the rose, sorry the payment is late, I did send payment as soon as I received the invoice, or so I thought, but the payment did not go though.  The rose is absolutely incredible [bow_down]

We have had that same wording on our books for years here in Idaho. How many bike have you seen with ID plates that were loud as heck?...

...I guess this difference for us it that it is not enforced unless you are being a dick to a cop and he starts picking you over (I only know one who has ever gotten this ticket and she was being a biatch to the cop). We have done several training events with our local LEO moto cops and they could give two squirts about what kind of cans, or lack of, we have on our bikes.

I am just guessing Utah's experience will be quite similar.

Makes technical changes in regard to what?  Just the exhaust, or are they now after the people who put on CycleCat top triples to fit SBK forks?!?

Who'd want to live in Utah anyway?  Seriously though some bikes are way too loud.  Not saying mine is quiet but Ive had hardleys several car lengths in front of me drown out my bike entirely. 

Deep HD's aren't the ones that bother me, it's the I4 Japanese bikes with loud exhausts that drive me batty. I got stuck next to an R1 with open pipes (drag bike) in a group ride once. My ears actually hurt after that one. IMHO, even 600's with aftermarket cans aren't much better.

i saw this in the changes also:

    (ii) operate a motor vehicle which produces excessive or unusual noise on a highway.


Who gets to decide what is "excessive or unusual?"  I didn't see any kind of db maximum.

this is bullshit.  I highly doubt the state will have the funds to buy the proper equipment, or at least I hope. 

in germany it's kinda simple. you have to keep it under a certain db that conforms to a test they have. i think it's 89 at 1m at 45 degrees from the bike at the level of the exhaust. but don't quote me. AND the exhaust has to have a E3 stamp or better on it. mind you i had pipes that had E3 on it and even with db killers in were above that. but i never got stopped even with them out. but no way i would pass inspection. so i'll keep stock around for that.

when i build the new system i won't be changing any stock pipes or mounting points permanently so i can put the stock system on for inspection.

occasionally, in certain well known riding areas on high traffic days, the motocops will be out and they will be carrying a db meter. you don't pass you get a ticket. i've heard they could take the bike on the spot, but never heard of them actually doing it.

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2003/olrdata/tra/rpt/2003-r-0676.htm (http://www.cga.ct.gov/2003/olrdata/tra/rpt/2003-r-0676.htm)

either way. a solid db number with a defined testing procedure should be what a law is, that way too strict interpretation of what excessive is by a overzealous inspector or police officer cannot happen.

(http://www.mckinneyhonda.com/graphics/honda_eq/dbchart.jpg)
one should use things like db charts and comparative normal circumstances to fight this.

wording like that will make it easier to fight passage.

   Expect to see a whole lot more of these laws being created, here in Colorado the LEO have really gotten out of control,citing any equipment modifications as "unsafe vehicle". I have a '78 chevy P.U. with a roll cage and five point harnesses, was told I was in violation for lack of original equip belts. any modification to the factory product can put You in trouble, exhausts, handlebars, foot controls, lighting, can all be claimed to create an "unsafe" condition. Let's face it, States need revenue and this is an easy way to get some. People have to stand up and shout, or this crap will steamroll right over the top of Us!! Not only with Our bikes, but much more.....

...but we'll leave those discussions to other forums.  ;)

   I didn't mean to get that political...will cool it down 8)

I'm in Utah. It's not such a bad place. Great skiing, hiking, mountains, mtn biking, etc. There are some cultural challenges, but there are anywhere.

This is frustrating. As with most other states, we're facing some serious fiscal, water, healthcare, and energy challenges and these types of laws are a distraction. Yes, some vehicles are too loud, but in such a purportedly conservative state, you'd think they'd be a little further on the side of freedom.

I'll send some letters and hope this doesn't get passed as I'm working on cleaning up the back end of my bike and it'll get louder.

Doesn't matter if you live there or not, if you wanna see some cool shit, you need to ride through utah.  Hell, cops would be more likely to pull you over with outta state plates

(http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/12/2010/02/9de301042058c04581733af76168bcd8/340x.jpg)

"But we won't hear him coming up the drive to the compound! How will we know when to put dinner on the table?"

Heh.  I see what you did there.

Yes....keep thinking that way...pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.....we don't want you to move here ;)
Utah has some great roads, and excellent outdoors activities (just not much night-life).

I guess I need to write off a few letters to my reps.


Thanks for the heads up on this.....the local news (TV and online) has not mentioned this.

Senate Bill 106, which would have required all motorcycle exhaust systems meet the federal labeling requirement (40 CRF part 205) has been removed from consideration for the remainder of the 2010 legislative session.
            Originally introduced by Senator Patricia Jones and passed by the transportation committee, it would have required all vehicles to be equipped with an exhaust system that is "installed by the original manufacturer of the vehicle and is not modified; or meets specifications equivalent to the muffler installed by the original manufacturer of the vehicle and is not modified."
            Opponents of the bill pointed out it would force many older vehicles off the road either due to a lack of parts or prohibitive costs for original OEM equipment. Likewise the bill did not provide law enforcement or riders with a clear standard, and would have forced them to make subjective judgments on whether or not an exhaust system was in fact compliant.

thats good news

Thanks for the update, Privateer!


Glad we made it through this time.......I can't believe that education funding is getting cut so much and they want to spend time and money fighting loud exhaust rather than working on increasing the education budget. [I hope that wasn't too political]

This is simply the fault of fags. Fags running straight pipes, and by fags I mean Harley douchebags, plain and simple. I have never personally witnessed any bike that is overly loud that didn't have a Hardly Ableson label on it. Straight pipes are going to ruin for everyone.

Clearly this woman has someone living near her who has a bike with straight pipes.  [laugh] But im glad to know this didnt pass. I had heard differently. I would have had to change the the exhaust on my bike. Im riding without cans right now. Its loud, but not that bad. I started to core my stock cans but got bored halfway through and just left the cans off.  I can still hear my dry clutch over the exhaust though.

You still have the udder though, don't you?


I drove a few miles with no cans on my 620 (just straight out of the header) and it was ear-bleeding loud.

Yeah. Although speaking with the SL Motorsports they claim there is nothing in the udder. In other countries it is used as a cat, but here in the states it is empty.

Woohoo! [clap] I've got something coming from motocreations and now I'm not screwed!

Today's the last day of session, so we don't have to worry about a revision.

Isn't Utah great?! We are free to put aftermarket pipes on our bikes and we've got the Osmonds.

Yeah, if they arent busy pretending to be Peter Pan... I CAN FLY!  [bang] ... not so much.

im going to hell for that comment... oh well Ill have friends there!  [beer] to the DMFers!  [laugh]

I grew up just a few blocks from her old house (that caught fire a few years back).

The weather is starting to get nice again, so we're only like a month away from the beautiful Utah spring riding season.

There are 3 of us in Utah?

I think that warrants having our own club!   [moto]

<threadjack> we were in the process of getting one started on TOB, but then everyone bailed. (myself included) and most of us lost contact. I know a few of the guys have since sold their bikes. But hey, im all about our own club! The last one we had just decided that it would be called Monster Slut. (monsters of Salt Lake UT)  [laugh] </threadjack>

Hooray for loud bikes!

Yeah, I sold my old one, but last fall bought a fellow DMFer's bike. 

Good to be back!!!

I also would prefer the EU system if anything....limit to a db level.
and arent technically no exhaust changes legal because they dont have DOT approval??

(and apologies in advance to our Utah friends....)
but I hate Salt Lake.
Was there weekend before last watching Treasure Valley Roller Derby whooping Wasatch  [evil]

graffiti, trash, homeless, tons of strip clubs.....
but try to get your drink on in that town  :P
As I was trying to pry a beer out of the World's Worst Bartender (tm)
someone overheard him say he was concerned about the amount of alcohol he was serving
bartender that doesnt want to serve alcohol has made some poor career choices.

(important note- never try to out-drink a roller girl, you will die)

got it in my email inbox from the AMA.  I recently joined and feel like I'm more informed about moto-specific legislation, especially in my own state which is equally back-asswards when it comes to these types of things.

I'm actually in Utah too, just sold my 848 and bought a hypermotard.  I'm younger (22) but like Utah to be honest.  I'm about an hour and a half away from the sand dunes, 45 minutes from Miller Motorsports Park and about 10 minutes from 3 different canyons to ride.  Riding season is coming up and Utah has a lot to offer, just not in the sense of beer.

LOL...e-thug.  Always a tough guy behind the PC.  I bet you have never revved your engine?  Made loud noise?  Loud noise coming home late?  Sure you have not.  

I also ride a Harley and do get irritated by the ones that rev their engine and have very loud exhausts.  Thing is, I do not hide behind a PC and call them "fags"...but ask if they can stop the revving of their engines.  

Also, where I live...2x now in the last 20 minutes I've heard a group of "crotch rockets" running down the freeway.  Shite happens.  I hear loud cars, trucks - especially the diesels.   [thumbsup]

What do you want, total silence?  

Nope, udder definately has material in it.  No cat means not CA legal... and I don't think Ducati would either 1) deny that market or 2) make a special model for that market.

I believe only the recent models have a CAT. The others just have baffles. For instance, my 2004 MTS had the "udder", but it definitely was not a CAT...although it wasn't empty either.