Title: Girl gets 30 days for drunken-driving death of woman/mother/wife Post by: ducatiz on May 30, 2008, 10:39:03 AM This is nauseating
Article (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/29/AR2008052902273.html?nav=rss_email/components) 17 year old girl gets hammered, drives, and kills this lady, but isn't charged as an adult because she is "immature." It's disgusting. She should be in jail for life. if you don't know by age 17 that you don't drink and get in a car, then you don't deserve to be free. Quote Teen Who Drove Drunk Gets 30 Days for Fatality By Bill Brubaker Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, May 30, 2008; B01 A 17-year-old Fairfax County girl who pleaded guilty in a drunken-driving crash that killed a Leesburg woman was sentenced yesterday to 30 days in a juvenile detention center and ordered to do 500 hours of community service. Loudoun County juvenile court Judge Pamela L. Brooks suspended the most punitive part of the sentence, which called for the teenager to be detained until September 2011, when she turns 21. Brooks also revoked the girl's driver's license and ordered her to get a job to pay $5,000 in funeral expenses to the victim's family. The teenager was sent to Loudoun's detention center April 21 after she pleaded guilty to involuntary manslaughter. Brooks did not give her any credit for the 38 days she has served. Kathleen Becker, 59, died instantly the night of Sept. 20 when her van was hit head-on by the teenager's sport-utility vehicle. Becker was returning home from choir practice at a Catholic church in Sterling. The teenager had been "binge drinking" before and during a football game at Westfield High School, where she was a senior, authorities said. She had left the game in Chantilly drunk and ended up on Route 15 in Loudoun. She had a blood-alcohol level of 0.17, more than twice the 0.08 legal limit for adults under Virginia law, after the crash. "My options, quite frankly, are not options I am happy with. . . . Frankly, I don't think 30 days is long enough. I don't think 60 days is long enough," Brooks told the teenager, who was shackled around her ankles and dressed in a green detention-center outfit. Brooks said a state pre-sentencing report concluded that the girl was "not an appropriate candidate" to be sent to a Virginia Department of Juvenile Justice detention facility. "You are a convicted felon, so you are a criminal," Brooks told the girl, a first-time offender. "But I would not classify you as a hardened criminal." The Washington Post generally does not name juveniles charged with crimes unless they are charged as adults. Becker's daughter, Sharon Macielinski, said her family did not want the girl to be locked up for a long period. The teenager will be on supervised probation until she is 21. In an interview Wednesday, Macielinski said: "We're not looking out for revenge or payback or anything like that. We're looking at: What is best for rehabilitating this individual so other people don't get hurt?" Yesterday, Loudoun Assistant Commonwealth's Attorney Adriana Eberle urged Brooks to hand down a sentence that would deter other teens from drinking. "This is bigger than what is going on inside this courtroom. . . . She should not get the same punishment as a juvenile who commits a grand larceny," she said. The victim's husband, Henry Becker, asked Brooks to order the girl to pay half of the funeral expenses, which totaled $10,000, from her earnings. Sobbing, the teenager apologized to Becker's family. "I can't explain how devastated I have been. . . . I can't forgive myself for taking another human life," she said, reading from a statement. Outside the courtroom, her attorney, Peter D. Greenspun, called the sentence "fair and responsible and appropriate." Asked where his client obtained the alcohol, Greenspun said: "It came from different sources. Kids get alcohol. There's nothing unique about that. They get it from adults. They get it by stealing. They get it with fake IDs. They get it by 'shoulder tapping,' where they tap an adult going into a 7-Eleven on the shoulder and ask if they can buy them some alcohol." On the night of the crash, he said, "there was a lot of energy" at Westfield High because its football team was playing rival Chantilly." "There was a group of kids there who were partying and drinking before the game," he said. "And apparently there were adults who were tailgating at the school and drinking." Kathleen Becker was a school crossing guard in the 1970s and 1980s at Sterling Elementary School. In recent years, she did volunteer work but spent most of her time caring for a teenage son who has a genetic disorder. Prosecutors had wanted to try the teenager as an adult. But they were turned down by a Circuit Court judge who ruled that the girl was emotionally and socially immature, had no previous criminal record and had demonstrated "excellence" in school. Yesterday, Brooks made a prediction before sending the teenager back to the detention center in Leesburg. "I think this is something that's going to eat at you for a long time," she said. Title: Re: Girl gets 30 days for drunken-driving death of woman/mother/wife Post by: Ducatiloo on May 30, 2008, 11:01:09 AM Sobbing, the teenager apologized to Becker's family. "I can't explain how devastated I have been
How do you think the family of that Woman you murdered felt you B**ch? It hate Judges that do this! I didn't get out of my last ticket because I demonstrated "excellence" in school. Title: Re: Girl gets 30 days for drunken-driving death of woman/mother/wife Post by: SKOM on May 30, 2008, 11:33:25 AM Tragic Story.
The family did say that they don't want her to be locked up for a long time though. :-\ Title: Re: Girl gets 30 days for drunken-driving death of woman/mother/wife Post by: Pakhan on May 30, 2008, 11:54:09 AM It hate Judges that do this! Quote from: Judge "My options, quite frankly, are not options I am happy with. . . . Frankly, I don't think 30 days is long enough. I don't think 60 days is long enough," Brooks told the teenager, who was shackled around her ankles and dressed in a green detention-center outfit. Brooks said a state pre-sentencing report concluded that the girl was "not an appropriate candidate" to be sent to a Virginia Department of Juvenile Justice detention facility. I don't think she got enough of a punishment, but at the same time when sentencing someone that young you have to be careful not to turn them into a criminal for life by totally ruining their prospect of being a positive contributing member of society. I think 60 days in jail, she should have to do community service till she is 21, lose her drivers license till 21, and be on probation till 21. I dunno, maybe that's not the best way to go. :-\ Title: Re: Girl gets 30 days for drunken-driving death of woman/mother/wife Post by: Ducatiloo on May 30, 2008, 12:08:29 PM Tragic Story. The family did say that they don't want her to be locked up for a long time though. :-\ And I knew a kid that didn't want the kids that pushed him down in the sandbox to be punished. Sometimes you can't kill someone with kindness. To me I dont think this is even a short time, but if it brings closure to the family that that is what counts. Title: Re: Girl gets 30 days for drunken-driving death of woman/mother/wife Post by: junior varsity on May 30, 2008, 12:08:49 PM what a piece of shit. she should be in prison till she's 21 at the minimum and have her wages garnished for life. FOR LIFE. Every employer and her future spouse should know what kind of an idiot they are dealing with.
"OMG! LIKE HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL IS LIKE SO TOTALLY RAD! LETS DRINK A TON OF WINE COOLERS AND BEAT THOSE KIDS FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF TOWN, WHOOOO!" And excellence my ass, she probably had a B average, would have gone to college, drunk herself into failing out (she is obviously not so good at decision making) and we'd be saying golly, she had potential, her high school report card said so... Title: Re: Girl gets 30 days for drunken-driving death of woman/mother/wife Post by: tommys67 on May 30, 2008, 12:23:17 PM "Becker's daughter, Sharon Macielinski, said her family did not want the girl to be locked up for a long period. "
The family likely "forgave" her for the accident. Bullshit. [puke] [bang] That little princess deserved hard time. Title: Re: Girl gets 30 days for drunken-driving death of woman/mother/wife Post by: SacDuc on May 30, 2008, 01:01:26 PM Spoooooooon. Title: Re: Girl gets 30 days for drunken-driving death of woman/mother/wife Post by: Popeye the Sailor on May 30, 2008, 02:06:18 PM I'm guessing none of you have ever had one too many and drove home?
How about let a friend do the same? Title: Re: Girl gets 30 days for drunken-driving death of woman/mother/wife Post by: Ducatiloo on May 30, 2008, 02:22:40 PM I'm guessing none of you have ever had one too many and drove home? How about let a friend do the same? Nope and Nope and with what she blew she had more than one to many. She should get 1 year for each .001 she blew. Title: Re: Girl gets 30 days for drunken-driving death of woman/mother/wife Post by: DCXCV on May 30, 2008, 02:24:23 PM I know I've done stupid things in my life that by pure chance haven't had detrimental effects on others. If I ever killed someone by a stupid action I'd never let myself forget it.
I'd rather have this girl supported by her family and her own labor than tax dollars if her brain is doling out the punishment on her already. Don't know if it is, but if she has half a conscience it will be. Title: Re: Girl gets 30 days for drunken-driving death of woman/mother/wife Post by: Pakhan on May 30, 2008, 02:27:52 PM I'm guessing none of you have ever had one too many and drove home? How about let a friend do the same? Yes, but they didn't murder anyone on the way. Title: Re: Girl gets 30 days for drunken-driving death of woman/mother/wife Post by: junior varsity on May 30, 2008, 02:30:34 PM HELL NO I DID NOT DRINK AND DRIVE BEFORE I WAS 18! (Or after for that matter)
Its not that hard to figure out not to do it regardless of what age you are. Shit, when I was in college, my fraternity (you know, the groups the media labels alcoholics) had sense enough to have a 'Dry Brother' program. A specific few guys assigned each night when any partying was going on and also every Wednesday, Friday and Saturday nights to be the on-call sober drivers. Nobody wanted to make it into the headlines as the guys who were idiots and killed a mother on her way home from choir practice. Title: Re: Girl gets 30 days for drunken-driving death of woman/mother/wife Post by: Scooter Montgomery on May 30, 2008, 02:35:47 PM I'm guessing none of you have ever had one too many and drove home? How about let a friend do the same? I think if you are 17 and underage drunk driving, you should get some hard time and maybe even a spoon. How many commericals are on tv about stopping underage drinking? A lot around here. Here is a good time to set up a sweet example to the future underage drinkers of what can happen if you drink under age. 30 days is really not a good example, unless your Morgan Spurlock. Title: Re: Girl gets 30 days for drunken-driving death of woman/mother/wife Post by: Ducatiloo on May 30, 2008, 02:52:02 PM HELL NO I DID NOT DRINK AND DRIVE BEFORE I WAS 18! (Or after for that matter) Its not that hard to figure out not to do it regardless of what age you are. Shit, when I was in college, my fraternity (you know, the groups the media labels alcoholics) had sense enough to have a 'Dry Brother' program. A specific few guys assigned each night when any partying was going on and also every Wednesday, Friday and Saturday nights to be the on-call sober drivers. Nobody wanted to make it into the headlines as the guys who were idiots and killed a mother on her way home from choir practice. +1 on that, this is really not a hard concept. Sure she may feel bad, but she won't feel as bad as the Woman that was killed by her feels Dead. 10, 15, 35 years from now that girl will feel better, but Dead is Dead. Title: Re: Girl gets 30 days for drunken-driving death of woman/mother/wife Post by: SKOM on May 30, 2008, 02:57:44 PM Why don't we just string her up and kill the pregnant dog! make the beast with two backs ya. [evil]
An eye for an eye policy only results in a world full of blind people. 8) Title: Re: Girl gets 30 days for drunken-driving death of woman/mother/wife Post by: junior varsity on May 30, 2008, 02:58:08 PM and know what they have at high schools across the country around prom and graduation time?
a beat up, crashed, mutilated car. Its a display about drinking and driving. Even if the accident occurred before they'd dragged it out this year, she'd have seen it last year. And the year before. And the year before. And every year before that when she drove by the high school. They've been doing it for more years than she's been alive. Title: Re: Girl gets 30 days for drunken-driving death of woman/mother/wife Post by: Ducatiloo on May 30, 2008, 02:58:39 PM Why don't we just string her up and kill the pregnant dog! make the beast with two backs ya. [evil] An eye for an eye policy only results in a world full of blind people. 8) And yet they can see the error of their ways.... Title: Re: Girl gets 30 days for drunken-driving death of woman/mother/wife Post by: junior varsity on May 30, 2008, 02:59:17 PM Why don't we just string her up and kill the pregnant dog! make the beast with two backs ya. [evil] An eye for an eye policy only results in a world full of blind people. 8) (http://www.geocities.com/lugosi2k/saddam_ray.jpg) Title: Re: Girl gets 30 days for drunken-driving death of woman/mother/wife Post by: ducatiz on May 30, 2008, 03:31:29 PM I'm guessing none of you have ever had one too many and drove home? How about let a friend do the same? the closest i've come is to get a bit tossed and then wait an hour or so before even trying to drive. on the other hand, most 17 year old girls can't drive for shit sober anyhow. Title: Re: Girl gets 30 days for drunken-driving death of woman/mother/wife Post by: ducatiz on May 30, 2008, 03:32:25 PM Why don't we just string her up and kill the pregnant dog! make the beast with two backs ya. [evil] An eye for an eye policy only results in a world full of blind people. 8) Patently false. After a while, the smart people see what's happening and straighten up. "World full of blind people" my ass. By that logic, with the death penalty, everyone would be dead. Title: Re: Girl gets 30 days for drunken-driving death of woman/mother/wife Post by: Ducatiloo on May 30, 2008, 03:33:48 PM Patently false. After a while, the smart people see what's happening and straighten up. "World full of blind people" my ass. By that logic, with the death penalty, everyone would be dead. + 1 better Post logic [thumbsup] Title: Re: Girl gets 30 days for drunken-driving death of woman/mother/wife Post by: IZ on May 30, 2008, 03:54:57 PM I think if you are 17 and underage drunk driving, you should get some hard time and maybe even a spoon. How many commericals are on tv about stopping underage drinking? A lot around here. Here is a good time to set up a sweet example to the future underage drinkers of what can happen if you drink under age. 30 days is really not a good example, unless your Morgan Spurlock. yES..IT'S A PERFECT TIME TO SET AN EXAMPLE!! >:( iF THat PUSSY make the beast with two backs JUDGE ISN'T DOING HIS JOB RIGHT..ANOTHER JUDGE SHOULD STEP IN AND SENTENCE THE pregnant dog AND THE PARENTS in this case. Title: Re: Girl gets 30 days for drunken-driving death of woman/mother/wife Post by: Ducatiloo on May 30, 2008, 03:56:42 PM Plus a Video of her crying in 5 years, while rotting in jail may be enough to shock enough to grasp this concept.
Title: Re: Girl gets 30 days for drunken-driving death of woman/mother/wife Post by: ducatiz on May 30, 2008, 04:12:33 PM Point is that justice is supposed to be blind.
If you get 10 years for manslaughter resulting from drunk driving, why does it matter how well you did in school? Does that mean that I can get off with 30 days in jail for killing someone while drunk? I did really well in school, top 5% of my law school class. Title: Re: Girl gets 30 days for drunken-driving death of woman/mother/wife Post by: IZ on May 30, 2008, 04:24:53 PM Point is that justice is supposed to be blind. If you get 10 years for manslaughter resulting from drunk driving, why does it matter how well you did in school? Does that mean that I can get off with 30 days in jail for killing someone while drunk? I did really well in school, top 5% of my law school class. After going through my own trial and seeing the ridiculous outcome..I scoff at that ''Justice is blind" crap. [roll] [roll] [roll] She was doing good in school so 30 days and a little bit of community service will suffice?! Do we have a pic of the girl too? Was she cute? Another reason to let her off "easy", huh? [roll] The "murder" was in Fairfax too, right? Lots of money around that area. eh? Karmas a b*tch. I know the judge and lawyer in my case will soon live a life of misery and in this case, the girl and the judge will get theirs too! Title: Re: Girl gets 30 days for drunken-driving death of woman/mother/wife Post by: Kyna on May 30, 2008, 05:16:16 PM 17 is old enough to know drinking and driving can kill, regardless to whether she saw a presentation in high school about a car wreck. She should have been tried as an adult at the very least.
She might have been an "excellent" student, but lets see her try to get into a college that's worth a damn with a felony on her record. She may not be headed to a long jail sentence but it is going to screw up her life for a few years to come. Title: Re: Girl gets 30 days for drunken-driving death of woman/mother/wife Post by: IZ on May 30, 2008, 07:29:41 PM 17 is old enough to know drinking and driving can kill, regardless to whether she saw a presentation in high school about a car wreck. She should have been tried as an adult at the very least. She might have been an "excellent" student, but lets see her try to get into a college that's worth a damn with a felony on her record. She may not be headed to a long jail sentence but it is going to screw up her life for a few years to come. PLEASE let that be the case..at the least!! ^^^ Title: Re: Girl gets 30 days for drunken-driving death of woman/mother/wife Post by: Ducatista on May 30, 2008, 08:09:00 PM I'm guessing none of you have ever had one too many and drove home? How about let a friend do the same? Never have and never will to both. Well, the second, not knowingly. There was one instance where the DD for the night decided she could toss 4 drinks back anyway. I thought she had 1. She got popped for speeding and failed the sobriety test. The officers pointed at me and told me that I would volunteer to take the breathalyser to see if I could finish the drive for her. I explained to them that I would not feel comfortable driving at that point. I blew a .02 and my friend almost knocked me over, she was hugging me so hard. She bought me a very nice dinner. Now I always watch my DD like a hawk! Title: Re: Girl gets 30 days for drunken-driving death of woman/mother/wife Post by: Scottish on May 30, 2008, 08:28:44 PM I thank God all the time, that I found sobriety before anyone got hurt. I've been popped twice and did it more times than I can count. Having got off light both times I can tell you I'm an advocate for harsher DUI laws. The problem is that most people who drink and drive don't do it "just that once". It is a pattern of behaviour. The only way to stop it is to make life so damn miserable a person is finally willing to change the detrimental behaviour. Still thankful I didn't hurt anyone.
Title: Re: Girl gets 30 days for drunken-driving death of woman/mother/wife Post by: Howie on May 31, 2008, 07:42:33 AM This is a tuff call. The truth is a lot of us have driven in a very intoxicated condition and been lucky enough to make it home safely. She didn't. At some point society has to take action and hold the unlucky responsible so the same problem doesn't recurr as frequently. 30 days sufficient? If she learned her lesson, yes. If not, no.
Title: Re: Girl gets 30 days for drunken-driving death of woman/mother/wife Post by: T-byrd on May 31, 2008, 07:55:35 AM In Germany if you get a DUI, you lose your license...for life.
Granted, towns are built differently over there. Everything is pretty much within walking distance, or cycling distance. Sort of eliminates the need for a car, really. T Title: Re: Girl gets 30 days for drunken-driving death of woman/mother/wife Post by: SacDuc on May 31, 2008, 08:03:34 AM This is a tuff call. The truth is a lot of us have driven in a very intoxicated condition and been lucky enough to make it home safely. She didn't. At some point society has to take action and hold the unlucky responsible so the same problem doesn't recurr as frequently. 30 days sufficient? If she learned her lesson, yes. If not, no. I disagree. "Learning her lesson" is part of the equation. The other part is punishment. To make her suffer for the wrong she has does. 30 days in the pokey is not adequate suffering for being stupid and killing someone. Yes that is a bit of "eye for an eye" kind of thinking. But I don't believe that immediate remorse and prior good behavior equal a lesson learned. In 5 years she may be thinking about ordering that third drink and she will rightfully be able to rationalize " hell I got make the beast with two backsed up and killed some lady and that didn't stop me from going to college, and getting a job and carrying on with life. Bottoms up." Yet, our "criminal justice" system completely disregards rehabilitation to the point that sending someone to prison for any period of time is more or less like ensuring that person is going end up a career criminal. If this girl could suffer the hardships of prison but still work on a college degree or otherwise be productive then my point above stands. Lacking that perhaps it is better for us as a society to let her press on with what seems to be an otherwise productive life and tryst that she won't do it again. But if that was my wife I don't think I could bring myself to be that forgiving. I'm torn. But I think a better penal system is what is lacking here. If there wasn't a "lock 'em up and forget about 'em" mentality and it was possible for people to actually pay for the mistakes/wrongs they've done without virtually destroying the possibility of them leading a decent honest life after they get out, then I would definitely say lock her up for a while. sac Title: Re: Girl gets 30 days for drunken-driving death of woman/mother/wife Post by: Ducatista on May 31, 2008, 08:05:50 AM This is a tuff call. The truth is a lot of us have driven in a very intoxicated condition and been lucky enough to make it home safely. She didn't. At some point society has to take action and hold the unlucky responsible so the same problem doesn't recurr as frequently. 30 days sufficient? If she learned her lesson, yes. If not, no. Just because everyone does it, does that make it acceptable? Everyone who has ever put their hands on the steering wheel while drunk should accept the consequences of their actions. They know they are driving with reduced balance, reflexes, and judgment. They should know that they are about to increase the chances of harm to themselves and others. The choice they made that night has the possibility of tearing families apart. My brother lost his license three times and deserved every one. Fortunately for him and those around him, he only crashed his own car in each of the three incidents. He does fully know and accept that he was taking others' lives into his hands, though. He has since learned a better way to live his life. Aren't there cabs? Isn't there a nice back seat in the car to sleep on until you're more sober? If you have a roadster, you might be screwed in that department, but a stiff neck is better than murdering someone who just thought they were driving back from choir practice. Title: Re: Girl gets 30 days for drunken-driving death of woman/mother/wife Post by: He Man on May 31, 2008, 08:50:29 AM before you go hang out with your friends at a bar, you have the choice of cabbing there, or getting a sober friend to drive you there on to way, as a favor etc. When you start your engine and know you are going to drink, you have already gotten into the first step of committing a crime. Some of us know our limits of drinking. We maybe have 4 beers over the course of 3 hours and drive home safely. Others with the same amount could be spilled everywhere. Its a judgment call. Sadly not everyone can make that judgement when they are drunk, which is stupid because you should still be able to make a choice like that no matter how messed up you are).
In this case, I think she probably knew exactly what she was getting into. She has probably done this many times before and had no issues. Somethings I asked myself was, even if she did blow a .017 how impaired was she? Not that it matters, but i'd like to know just to try and understand what state of mind she was in when she made the choice to drive. And finally her punishment. I agree, 30 days is NOT enough time to understand the consequences of her action. But you never know how something impacts someone. The judge in this case felt 30 days was enough time. But to me, 30 days goes by so quickly, you dont have time to sit and reflect. She needs to be in a correction facility for 6-12 months. Doing hard time wont help a situation like this. I've been at programs where drunk drivers who had killed people had to speak and discuss their incident at a school once a week for a whole semester. Some of them cried, some of them just looked down in shame. Now think of it this way, you throw this girl in jail for 5 years and just leave her locked up. She comes out depressed and shunned. She will either become a druggie, a useless person to society that bums around, or kill herself because she feels so bad about what she did. What i'm trying to say is, you never know how someone reacts to a punishment. but 30 days behind bars isnt the right way to go about it, especially with someone whos only 17. |