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Title: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: MortenChristoffer on February 22, 2010, 03:47:15 AM
Hi,

I have bought me an Monster 620 03-mod. The thing is that the former owner has used the bike during the winter, and the paint on the engine has taken damage from it because of the salt.
Is it possible to paint it again, without totally ripping the bike in pieces? In that case, how?

Thanks to all that gives reply! [thumbsup]
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: jerryz on February 22, 2010, 04:25:46 AM
YES it is not that difficult , remove engine from frame, remove EFI or carbs , seal all openings with tape , remove belts and belt shrouds , clcleamn with solvents and remove all grease ,grit ,dirt flaking paint etc.

Spray using HAMMERITE SMOOTHRITE ENAMEL either black or silver . replace fasteners as required with new ones and remount engine in frame etc

The hot engine when restarted wil bake the paint and its very durable.
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: MortenChristoffer on February 22, 2010, 04:27:50 AM
Thank you very, very much!!!
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: ducatiz on February 22, 2010, 04:38:22 AM
There are plenty of options for painting the engine.  The best ones required you to disassemble it completely and bake it after painting (although the engine heat can do most of it). 

You might be able to paint parts of the engine in-frame but you should plan to remove multiple parts and spend plenty of time masking.  Sounds like you just want to re-coat the bottom?

I use a product called Duracoat from Lauer (LCW) which is originally used to coat firearms.  It is a two-part enamel coating which is sprayed on and is heat resistant up to around 600F, chemical resistant to pretty much everything except strong acids, and the strongest paint strippers or bead blasting.

I used Duracoat to coat the heads on my Alazzurra (pantah 650 engine).  They are originally black and the factory paint was peeling and crap.  I made a mix of their flat and gloss blacks to produce a semi-satin finish and sprayed on two coats using the Preval aerosol cans.  I baked the heads in the oven for about an hour at 300 F and that was it. 

They have a huge array of colors as well.
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: ducpainter on February 22, 2010, 05:00:49 AM
I use 2 part automotive urethanes and have had no issues.

The surface of an air cooled engine really doesn't get very hot.
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: ducatiz on February 22, 2010, 05:01:33 AM
Quote from: ducpainter on February 22, 2010, 05:00:49 AM
I use 2 part automotive urethanes and have had no issues.

The surface of an air cooled engine really doesn't get very hot.

how does that stuff stand up to road grime/salt/etc?
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: ducpainter on February 22, 2010, 05:17:59 AM
Quote from: ducatiz on February 22, 2010, 05:01:33 AM
how does that stuff stand up to road grime/salt/etc?
Just like it holds up on a car.

Those things are part of the normal environment for auto paint.
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: He Man on February 22, 2010, 07:11:20 AM
my horizontal head is black and disgusting, the paint has a cracked skin appearance. I ve been thinking about painting it as well, but how to strip is my question.

Do you think i can just pull the engine, mask off the intake and exahust and just hit it with aircraft grade stripper?

itd DEFINTELY want to strip the paint before i repaint it the orignal finish is compelte crap.

my verticle cylinder is fine though.
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: ducatiz on February 22, 2010, 07:32:32 AM
Quote from: He Man on February 22, 2010, 07:11:20 AM
my horizontal head is black and disgusting, the paint has a cracked skin appearance. I ve been thinking about painting it as well, but how to strip is my question.

Do you think i can just pull the engine, mask off the intake and exahust and just hit it with aircraft grade stripper?

yeah, you can do that, but your masking better be waterproof since the stripper needs to be taken off somehow.

maybe mask it all off, apply the stripper, wash it off, then take off the masking and put new on. 

i assume aircraft grade means alu safe.  use a lot of wire brush after you strip it, it won't get everything.
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: He Man on February 22, 2010, 07:54:15 AM
I was hoping hte aircraft stripper would peel it off  easily.

if i have to work, i might as well put a steel plate over the exahust and intake and whip out my soda blaster. It'll cost me $30 bag probably, but only take 30 minutes with clean up.
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: stopintime on February 22, 2010, 01:18:41 PM
Velkommen til DMF Morten [thumbsup]

Som du ser er det en gjeng hyggelige og hjelpsomme folk her.

Dette stedet har kostet meg masse, men også doblet verdien av å eie en Monster.
Veldig lærerikt og smitsomt ;D

Hvis du bor i nærheten av Oslo kan vi gjerne møtes utpå våren for å diskutere de mod'sene du kommer til å ville gjøre - du er allerede smittet av mod virus, så det er bare viktig å velge hvor klokt pengene skal brukes ;D

Er du medlem av Norsk Ducatiforening Desmodromene? Turer, banedager og sosiale arrangementer [beer]

Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: ducpainter on February 22, 2010, 01:43:37 PM
Quote from: stopintime on February 22, 2010, 01:18:41 PM
Velkommen til DML Morten [thumbsup]

Som du ser er det en gjeng hyggelige og hjelpsomme folk her.

Dette stedet har kostet meg masse, men også doblet verdien av å eie en Monster.
Veldig lærerikt og smitsomt ;D

Hvis du bor i nærheten av Oslo kan vi gjerne møtes utpå våren for å diskutere de mod'sene du kommer til å ville gjøre - du er allerede smittet av mod virus, så det er bare viktig å velge hvor klokt pengene skal brukes ;D

Er du medlem av Norsk Ducatiforening Desmodromene? Turer, banedager og sosiale arrangementer [beer]


Lars,

Hvor mange ganger må jeg fortelle deg .....

snakker engelsk.    :-*
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: stopintime on February 22, 2010, 01:48:37 PM
Quote from: ducpainter on February 22, 2010, 01:43:37 PM
Lars,

Hvor mange ganger må jeg fortelle deg .....

snakker engelsk.    :-*

Your Google magic not working?  ;)

I just got carried away - I think we're at least three Norwegians here now [thumbsup]
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: ducpainter on February 22, 2010, 03:21:02 PM
Ã... ...

i tilfelle du har glemt

det er DMF  ;D
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: Cider on February 22, 2010, 03:55:50 PM
Cool, another excuse for me to pimp this picture of motorcycle parts baking in the oven:

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3413/3202556874_1df9b4671c_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: ducpainter on February 22, 2010, 03:57:42 PM
Quote from: Cider on February 22, 2010, 03:55:50 PM
Cool, another excuse for me to pimp this picture of motorcycle parts baking in the oven:

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3413/3202556874_1df9b4671c_o.jpg)
not married? ;D
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: stopintime on February 22, 2010, 10:19:00 PM
Quote from: ducpainter on February 22, 2010, 03:21:02 PM
Ã... ...

i tilfelle du har glemt

det er DMF  ;D

Corrected  :-[

(same shit, new wrapping though?)
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: MortenChristoffer on February 23, 2010, 12:44:46 AM
Quote from: stopintime on February 22, 2010, 01:18:41 PM
Velkommen til DMF Morten [thumbsup]

Som du ser er det en gjeng hyggelige og hjelpsomme folk her.

Dette stedet har kostet meg masse, men også doblet verdien av å eie en Monster.
Veldig lærerikt og smitsomt ;D

Hvis du bor i nærheten av Oslo kan vi gjerne møtes utpå våren for å diskutere de mod'sene du kommer til å ville gjøre - du er allerede smittet av mod virus, så det er bare viktig å velge hvor klokt pengene skal brukes ;D

Er du medlem av Norsk Ducatiforening Desmodromene? Turer, banedager og sosiale arrangementer [beer]

Dette virker som en veldig bra og nyttig nettside. Bor i Bergen, men ønsker å melde meg inn i foreningen.
Kommer til å gå en del penger på å fikse og trikse, men det er det verdt [thumbsup]
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: floyd turbo on February 23, 2010, 01:03:45 AM
Quote from: Cider on February 22, 2010, 03:55:50 PM
Cool, another excuse for me to pimp this picture of motorcycle parts baking in the oven:



Do these cookies taste funny to you?  Yeah they do but look at how fast they went!
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: Monsterlover on February 23, 2010, 04:25:37 AM
I rode with this guy from Pittsburgh once (from the Penndesmo forum) and he painted the engine in his monster black.

He didn't mask anything.

Just bombed it with a spray can.

I have to say, it looked really cool in a mad-max badass way.

I liked it :D
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: Cider on February 23, 2010, 03:51:47 PM
Quote from: ducpainter on February 22, 2010, 03:57:42 PM
not married? ;D

Married, and she didn't complain.  Lucked out, I guess? 

Or maybe she was just high from the fumes. 
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: ducpainter on February 23, 2010, 03:58:23 PM
Quote from: Cider on February 23, 2010, 03:51:47 PM
Married, and she didn't complain.  Lucked out, I guess? 

Or maybe she was just high from the fumes. 
[laugh]
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: junior varsity on February 23, 2010, 05:34:25 PM
you guys quit speakin' the jibbajabba. more on paint stuff...


How does one go about thoroughly stripping and painting between fins on air-cooled motor?

If you have some rash on, say, the alternator side cover, how does one go about smoothing it out prior to painting? It looks predominantly in the paint itself, so stripping might take care of the most of it...
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: ducpainter on February 23, 2010, 05:36:57 PM
Quote from: ato memphis on February 23, 2010, 05:34:25 PM
you guys quit speakin' the jibbajabba. more on paint stuff...


How does one go about thoroughly stripping and painting between fins on air-cooled motor?

If you have some rash on, say, the alternator side cover, how does one go about smoothing it out prior to painting? It looks predominantly in the paint itself, so stripping might take care of the most of it...
Why do you want to strip?
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: junior varsity on February 23, 2010, 05:38:51 PM
exercise mostly. its aerobic.



oh. paint. i want to strip then repaint in black. semi gloss black. want the motor more black methinks.
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: ducpainter on February 23, 2010, 05:40:43 PM
Quote from: ato memphis on February 23, 2010, 05:38:51 PM
exercise mostly. its aerobic.



oh. paint. i want to strip then repaint in black. semi gloss black. want the motor more black methinks.
Let's try this again.

Why do you want to strip the old paint?

Is it flaking or do you just think you have to?
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: He Man on February 23, 2010, 06:17:54 PM
Quote from: ducpainter on February 23, 2010, 05:36:57 PM
Why do you want to strip?

it pays the bills.


ato memphis, thats the same thought im having. With a stripper it will be too much work, so i think soda blasting is the best. Safe on all materials and its quick.

Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: ducpainter on February 23, 2010, 06:19:55 PM
Quote from: He Man on February 23, 2010, 06:17:54 PM
it pays the bills.


ato memphis, thats the same thought im having. With a stripper it will be too much work, so i think soda blasting is the best. Safe on all materials and its quick.


I'm thinking if the original paint is sound...

leave it.
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: He Man on February 23, 2010, 07:41:18 PM
what do you consider sound? the paint on my engine isnt peeling off, but it looks like the salt flats. cracked everywhere. and its impregnated with dirt.

this is the forward cylinder only. the top cylinder just has a nasty oil stain that wont come out.
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: ducpainter on February 24, 2010, 03:12:20 AM
Quote from: He Man on February 23, 2010, 07:41:18 PM
what do you consider sound? the paint on my engine isnt peeling off, but it looks like the salt flats. cracked everywhere. and its impregnated with dirt.

this is the forward cylinder only. the top cylinder just has a nasty oil stain that wont come out.
That's not sound.

The stain isn't an issue.

Here's the issue.

Paint won't stick well to untreated aluminum. If you remove the factory paint you need to either use an epoxy primer, a self etching primer, or chemically treat the aluminum. That's why I leave it if possible.
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: slowkitty on February 24, 2010, 03:26:04 AM
Darn .... this thread has no pics!  :'(
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: junior varsity on February 24, 2010, 04:26:32 AM
I smell an alternative to doing it myself.... will begin new piggybank fund with email to DP when its near full.
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: djrashonal on February 25, 2010, 11:39:03 AM
Quote from: ducpainter on February 24, 2010, 03:12:20 AM
That's not sound.

The stain isn't an issue.

Here's the issue.

Paint won't stick well to untreated aluminum. If you remove the factory paint you need to either use an epoxy primer, a self etching primer, or chemically treat the aluminum. That's why I leave it if possible.

What's the best way for it to stick after it's cleaned up? just leaving the original on and a light sand? Everyone is talking about Air cooled, is there any difference for a water cooled?
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: ducpainter on February 25, 2010, 12:04:14 PM
Quote from: djrashonal on February 25, 2010, 11:39:03 AM
What's the best way for it to stick after it's cleaned up? just leaving the original on and a light sand? Everyone is talking about Air cooled, is there any difference for a water cooled?
Sand out defects...scars scratches etc and prime or treat any bare aluminum. I like to use a red scotch-brite to abrade where you can't get a piece of paper, which really isn't much on an engine.

If you like insurance you can use an adhesion promoter and then spray with a 2 part urethane. It holds up well to solvents and the normal surface temps of air cooled engines.

There is no difference for water cooled.
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: djrashonal on February 25, 2010, 12:55:28 PM
Quote from: ducpainter on February 25, 2010, 12:04:14 PM
Sand out defects...scars scratches etc and prime or treat any bare aluminum. I like to use a red scotch-brite to abrade where you can't get a piece of paper, which really isn't much on an engine.

If you like insurance you can use an adhesion promoter and then spray with a 2 part urethane. It holds up well to solvents and the normal surface temps of air cooled engines.

There is no difference for water cooled.

Thanks  [thumbsup] where can one find said 2 part urathane? i was just going to use a high heat aerosol from lowes. I'm going for a blending look, so i want it as flat as possible.
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: ducpainter on February 25, 2010, 01:39:54 PM
Quote from: djrashonal on February 25, 2010, 12:55:28 PM
Thanks  [thumbsup] where can one find said 2 part urathane? i was just going to use a high heat aerosol from lowes. I'm going for a blending look, so i want it as flat as possible.
Rattle can isn't solvent...gas oil chain lube resistant.

You can go to most auto body supply houses and buy an aerosol kit that has a 2 part paint in it that they fill there with exactly what you want. You pull a tab to mix all the components and then you have a few hours to use it.

Tell the guy at the paint counter you want flat black.
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: He Man on February 25, 2010, 01:58:34 PM
i sprayed my valve covers with that VHT engine paint. its suppose to be pretty good against temps up to 550, oil paint and gas resistant.

it was stripped down to the bare aluminum and i didnt use any primer ( didnt know any better). and it came out really good. never stripped or anything. I only had it on there for a few months so no idea how long it will last.
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: ducpainter on February 25, 2010, 02:11:08 PM
Quote from: He Man on February 25, 2010, 01:58:34 PM
i sprayed my valve covers with that VHT engine paint. its suppose to be pretty good against temps up to 550, oil paint and gas resistant.

it was stripped down to the bare aluminum and i didnt use any primer ( didnt know any better). and it came out really good. never stripped or anything. I only had it on there for a few months so no idea how long it will last.
i guess it comes down to definition when using the word resistant. :-\
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: ducatiz on February 26, 2010, 02:36:58 AM
Quote from: ducpainter on February 25, 2010, 12:04:14 PM
Sand out defects...scars scratches etc and prime or treat any bare aluminum. I like to use a red scotch-brite to abrade where you can't get a piece of paper, which really isn't much on an engine.

If you like insurance you can use an adhesion promoter and then spray with a 2 part urethane. It holds up well to solvents and the normal surface temps of air cooled engines.

There is no difference for water cooled.

If you use the Duracoat, you don't need the adhesion promoter.  I blasted the jug fins on the GTL down to the metal, cleaned it with the Lauer solvent and compressed air, and applied the Duracoat mix with a Preval aerosol.  After 3 years its still there.  I believe the Duracoat is an epoxy type paint.  Pretty much resistant to everything -- gas, oil, carb cleaner, etc. 

Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: ducpainter on February 26, 2010, 03:17:56 AM
Quote from: ducatiz on February 26, 2010, 02:36:58 AM
If you use the Duracoat, you don't need the adhesion promoter.  I blasted the jug fins on the GTL down to the metal, cleaned it with the Lauer solvent and compressed air, and applied the Duracoat mix with a Preval aerosol.  After 3 years its still there.  I believe the Duracoat is an epoxy type paint.  Pretty much resistant to everything -- gas, oil, carb cleaner, etc. 


The only issue with an epoxy would be UV exposure.

You park your bikes inside. Left outside an epoxy will UV degrade in a short time.

On steel rust would appear within a year or so depending on film thickness.

Aluminum would corrode.
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: ducatiz on February 26, 2010, 06:30:02 AM
Quote from: ducpainter on February 26, 2010, 03:17:56 AM
The only issue with an epoxy would be UV exposure.

You park your bikes inside. Left outside an epoxy will UV degrade in a short time.

On steel rust would appear within a year or so depending on film thickness.

Aluminum would corrode.

i know that's an issue with epoxy, but not a problem with Duracoat.  maybe they don't use epoxy, that is just my guess.  it's a two-part thing and smells like it.  it's a proprietary formula, so no idea what they use.
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: ducpainter on February 26, 2010, 07:24:48 AM
Quote from: ducatiz on February 26, 2010, 06:30:02 AM
i know that's an issue with epoxy, but not a problem with Duracoat.  maybe they don't use epoxy, that is just my guess.  it's a two-part thing and smells like it.  it's a proprietary formula, so no idea what they use.
If it adheres to bare metal without treatment it almost has to be epoxy based on my knowledge.

Have you left anything done with it outside for extended periods?
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: ducatiz on February 26, 2010, 07:37:31 AM
Quote from: ducpainter on February 26, 2010, 07:24:48 AM
If it adheres to bare metal without treatment it almost has to be epoxy based on my knowledge.

Have you left anything done with it outside for extended periods?

I am thinking you are right, because they sell a UV resistant topcoat and a separate UV resistant hardener.

I had seen it before, but it didn't register, so it's definitely epoxy based...
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: ducpainter on February 26, 2010, 01:10:23 PM
Quote from: ducatiz on February 26, 2010, 07:37:31 AM
I am thinking you are right, because they sell a UV resistant topcoat and a separate UV resistant hardener.

I had seen it before, but it didn't register, so it's definitely epoxy based...
The UV resistant stuff is most likely a poly/urethane of some sort. The stuff they have today is amazing with regards to hardness/chemical resistance.
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: greenmonster on February 28, 2010, 04:14:49 PM
Anyone who considers painting seriously (=removing engine), think about it at least FIVE times first.
Requires redicolous amount of time, sandblasting, masking etc. There is alot of cavities, fins etc..... [roll]


(http://www.ducati.ms/gallery/files/9/4/9/0/Paintedmotor.jpg)
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: ducatiz on February 28, 2010, 04:52:29 PM
Quote from: greenmonster on February 28, 2010, 04:14:49 PM
Anyone who considers painting seriously (=removing engine), think about it at least FIVE times first.
Requires redicolous amount of time, sandblasting, masking etc. There is alot of cavities, fins etc..... [roll]

what did you paint it with, a 0000 brush?

spend 2 hours masking for every 10 minutes painting and you are fine, and don't plan to do it all in one afternoon. 

or you can just take the heads and jugs off.  it's not that big of a deal to put them back on, and if you have a blaster, then you can bead blast the chamber and clean it up..
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: He Man on February 28, 2010, 06:32:32 PM
taking the bike apart = taking the bike apart. I plan on 8 hours with organizing everything.

If it comes down to it this is how i would do it.

Drop the engine
Mask off the intake and exahust with a sheet of metal and silicone seal it shut.

Put it on a table. Spend $60 bucks on 100lbs of soda blasting media (which is probably more than enough) and blast it completely clean. Good thing about soda is that it wont harm plastics, rubbers, or metal surfaces. That will take about 2 hours to fully blast off.

Then remove the heads(while im in there...FBF 1080hicomp/big bore kit is only $420! i can send out the heads to get machined and coated for another $400ish) remove the side covers and valve covers.

spend 2 hours masking everything off, but since everything is getting the same color its just a matter of masking what you dont want to get painted. which is only hard if you have no patience.

If you do what they did to MAgnus' bike, its just spray can  the self etching primer coats (1 hour?) spray on the top coat (1 hour?) powder coat the covers (1 hour).

Sounds like i could do it in 2 weekends complete disassemble and assemble.

This is only because i own a soda blaster and a powdercoating setup in my garage with air tools to boot.  [evil] All i need is a motorcycle stand so im not sitting on the floor.
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: ducpainter on February 28, 2010, 06:57:03 PM
I'd pay to watch you mask an engine. ;D
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: He Man on February 28, 2010, 07:53:44 PM
Quote from: ducpainter on February 28, 2010, 06:57:03 PM
I'd pay to watch you mask an engine. ;D

how much you paying?
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: djrashonal on February 28, 2010, 08:27:54 PM
Oh no, this isnt gonna turn into another one of those "what dirty things would He Man do for money" threads again is it?  ???
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: He Man on February 28, 2010, 08:49:58 PM
we had one of those?????
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: djrashonal on February 28, 2010, 09:04:11 PM
you were too busy soda blasting your newly dismantled engine to notice  [thumbsup] speaking of which, come out here with all that shhtuff and clean up my engine, i can pay you in Maize -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maize#Maize_as_a_commodity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maize#Maize_as_a_commodity)
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: He Man on February 28, 2010, 09:06:06 PM
bro im chinese. we dont give 2 shits about corn.

pay me in rice and ill think about it.
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: djrashonal on February 28, 2010, 09:11:00 PM
Quote from: He Man on February 28, 2010, 09:06:06 PM
bro im chinese. we dont give 2 shits about corn.

pay me in rice and ill think about it.
Damn, i should have had you write my Asian philosophy paper I just spent the past 6 hrs on......


In regards to engine painting, what goes into taking off the alternator cover and the engine cover on the clutch side? can I just pull those off and PC them?
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: He Man on February 28, 2010, 09:30:20 PM
pretty much. youd need a new gasket. and you have to remove the wire that goes into generator cover. then you need to remove the glass viewing screen and then do the whole coating.

im not sure how you do that though. which is why im probably just going to spray paint mine.
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: djrashonal on February 28, 2010, 09:33:43 PM
so, drain the oil, unscrew covers, unplug wires, mask holes and sight glass spray paint, reverse...is that about right? am I missing anything on that?
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: ducatiz on March 01, 2010, 03:14:15 AM
Quote from: He Man on February 28, 2010, 09:06:06 PM
bro im chinese. we dont give 2 shits about corn.

pay me in rice and ill think about it.

i thought you guys ate everything?  I'll raise his corn with 2 cuttlefish and the brain of a giraffe.

[evil]

Quote from: ducpainter on February 28, 2010, 06:57:03 PM
I'd pay to watch you mask an engine. ;D

I've done it.  It's not fun, and you have to go slow.  I took 2 days to mask mine and I painted in-frame (not hard on the GTL frame).    i spent the first day tapin' and cussin' and finished, went and had dinner, slept on it, and then came and inspected my work the next day.. tweaked some and then painted. 
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: ducpainter on March 01, 2010, 04:21:25 AM
Quote from: He Man on February 28, 2010, 07:53:44 PM
how much you paying?
I'll pay by the hour...

and then deduct for all the paint that gets on stuff you masked.

You'll end up owing me money. ;)
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: He Man on March 01, 2010, 07:42:52 AM
Quote from: ducpainter on March 01, 2010, 04:21:25 AM
You'll end up owing me money. ;)

dont be so sure about that. ill take my  sweet time and rack up the hours like a lawyer [coffee]
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: junior varsity on March 01, 2010, 07:50:21 AM
bazinga!
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: ducpainter on March 01, 2010, 02:52:45 PM
Quote from: He Man on March 01, 2010, 07:42:52 AM
dont be so sure about that. ill take my  sweet time and rack up the hours like a lawyer [coffee]
You're buying the booze.

You'll end up a loser either way. [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: junior varsity on March 01, 2010, 04:09:11 PM
So, on painting the motor, would one powdercoat heads to achieve the testarossa look:

(https://lh5.ggpht.com/_4iYlZ1m8UEM/StXZim99mmI/AAAAAAAAEUE/UkqHOcm_Ndk/s800/motornov06002.jpg)

and thoughts on polishing? This bike has always kept my attention:

(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_4iYlZ1m8UEM/StTLRZwGScI/AAAAAAAAEN0/7ZQgLhrhIZY/s800/3846224.jpeg)
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: ducpainter on March 01, 2010, 04:18:53 PM
Quote from: ato memphis on March 01, 2010, 04:09:11 PM
So, on painting the motor, would one powdercoat heads to achieve the testarossa look:

(https://lh5.ggpht.com/_4iYlZ1m8UEM/StXZim99mmI/AAAAAAAAEUE/UkqHOcm_Ndk/s800/motornov06002.jpg)

and thoughts on polishing? This bike has always kept my attention:

(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_4iYlZ1m8UEM/StTLRZwGScI/AAAAAAAAEN0/7ZQgLhrhIZY/s800/3846224.jpeg)
You could go either way.

What's polished?
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: junior varsity on March 01, 2010, 04:25:44 PM
lots, I had trouble finding some more pics, but rubyvroom used to use this sig pic:

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/178/415963125_1762038d7b_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: He Man on March 01, 2010, 05:38:41 PM
Quote from: ducpainter on March 01, 2010, 02:52:45 PM
You're buying the booze.

You'll end up a loser either way. [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]

Hahahah the jokes actually on you! unfortunetly, if i told you why through the internet id have to kill you. Youd just have to show up and prepare to get knocked the make the beast with two backs out by some killer booze.

ato memphis, i think your going to have a killer hard time  powdecoating those fins. its not easy to get powder in there. youd have to really pull some tricks out of the hat or have some really nice equipment.
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: ducpainter on March 02, 2010, 02:14:20 AM
Quote from: He Man on March 01, 2010, 05:38:41 PM
Hahahah the jokes actually on you! unfortunetly, if i told you why through the internet id have to kill you. Youd just have to show up and prepare to get knocked the make the beast with two backs out by some killer booze.

ato memphis, i think your going to have a killer hard time  powdecoating those fins. its not easy to get powder in there. youd have to really pull some tricks out of the hat or have some really nice equipment.
I'm a professional...not worried. ;)

Yeah the Faraday cage effect will make that a pregnant dog.
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: ducatiz on March 02, 2010, 04:44:14 AM
Quote from: He Man on March 01, 2010, 05:38:41 PM
Hahahah the jokes actually on you! unfortunetly, if i told you why through the internet id have to kill you. Youd just have to show up and prepare to get knocked the make the beast with two backs out by some killer booze.

ato memphis, i think your going to have a killer hard time  powdecoating those fins. its not easy to get powder in there. youd have to really pull some tricks out of the hat or have some really nice equipment.

did you make some homebrew Wu Liang Ye?? 
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: He Man on March 02, 2010, 10:03:44 AM
Quote from: ducpainter on March 02, 2010, 02:14:20 AM
I'm a professional...not worried. ;)


[evil]
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: ducpainter on March 02, 2010, 02:32:52 PM
Quote from: He Man on March 02, 2010, 10:03:44 AM

[evil]
Bring some to DIMBY...

grasshopper.
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: DarkMonster620 on March 02, 2010, 03:08:48 PM
hey dp,

how can i repair this?
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3304/3487468232_95c0d382e5_o.jpg)

Or just try to get a new clutch cover and repaint? Or will 696 covers fit?
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: ducpainter on March 02, 2010, 03:11:47 PM
Quote from: Darkmonster620 on March 02, 2010, 03:08:48 PM
hey dp,

how can i repair this?
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3304/3487468232_95c0d382e5_o.jpg)

Or just try to get a new clutch cover and repaint? Or will 696 covers fit?
Did IZ_ take that photo?  ;D

sand it fill the deep scratches with a polyester filler...

prime...sand and paint with the same flat black you did you body parts with. ;)
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: DarkMonster620 on March 02, 2010, 03:17:30 PM
Quote from: ducpainter on March 02, 2010, 03:11:47 PM
Did IZ_ take that photo?  ;D
:'( i took it with my cellphone's 2.8mp camera a year ago...

sand it fill the deep scratches with a polyester filler ..UH???? polyester filler on metal???????

Quoteprime...sand and paint with the same flat black you did you body parts with. ;)

this is the only glossy part of the bike but...flat sounds better....and the red will become orange >>>tangerine in Ducati speak...
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: ducpainter on March 02, 2010, 03:23:04 PM
Quote from: Darkmonster620 on March 02, 2010, 03:17:30 PM
  :'( i took it with my cellphone's 2.8mp camera a year ago...

sand it fill the deep scratches with a polyester filler ..UH???? polyester filler on metal???????

this is the only glossy part of the bike but...flat sounds better....and the red will become orange >>>tangerine in Ducati speak...
so have the painter leave the flattener out. ;D
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: DarkMonster620 on March 02, 2010, 03:27:44 PM
i will...but will do during the year, not now...thanks...
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: yotogi on March 02, 2010, 06:10:31 PM
I just felt reality crash down around me.   :)

Ato, do you have any more pics of that motor?
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: He Man on March 05, 2010, 07:19:40 PM
got the bike back.. just saw that the paint near this bigg ass bolt at the rear of the engine where the header passes by..the paint is just falling off. as in i can just peel it off wit hmy fingers.

defintely need to paint this thing.
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: Raux on March 05, 2010, 11:50:12 PM
Quote from: ato memphis on March 01, 2010, 04:09:11 PM
(https://lh5.ggpht.com/_4iYlZ1m8UEM/StXZim99mmI/AAAAAAAAEUE/UkqHOcm_Ndk/s800/motornov06002.jpg)

Step by step, how does one make the engine case and cylinders look like that ?
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: junior varsity on March 06, 2010, 04:01:01 AM
photoshop? kidding. I have no clue.
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: He Man on March 06, 2010, 08:36:57 AM
liquid chrome?
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: ducatiz on March 06, 2010, 10:11:52 AM
Quote from: Raux on March 05, 2010, 11:50:12 PM
Step by step, how does one make the engine case and cylinders look like that ?

Could be any number of paint/powder coatings.  Silver is not an unusual color for engine paint.
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: battlecry on March 06, 2010, 11:07:58 AM
That is a great looking engine.  Shames my paint from the Ducati batch that couldn't take the exhaust port heat.
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: Popeye the Sailor on March 07, 2010, 01:58:54 PM
Quote from: Raux on March 05, 2010, 11:50:12 PM
Step by step, how does one make the engine case and cylinders look like that ?

1) Wad bike
2) Fight with wife during recovery about continuing to ride
3) Get divorced and move out, ending up with remains of wadded bike and studio apartment in shitty side of town. She burns your clothes.
4) Become a misogynist and spend all time polishing parts of bike that are still usable, for years.
5) Save enough money for missing pieces, like a new tank and frame
6) Reassemble
7) Worry obsessively about someone stealing shiny bike
8) Worry obsessively about someone stealing shiny bike
9) Worry obsessively about someone stealing shiny bike
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: ducatiz on March 07, 2010, 03:16:36 PM
LOL

Anything that begins with "wad bike" gets my funny bone
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: Raux on March 07, 2010, 07:44:43 PM
awesome...

step 1: check
step 2: check
step 3: check (well previously)

....
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: DarkMonster620 on March 08, 2010, 03:26:34 PM
been informed, if divorce comes this way, she wants bike...!!!
i can do all i want to bike as long as i spend the same or more amount on her...
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: Popeye the Sailor on March 08, 2010, 03:51:02 PM
Quote from: Darkmonster620 on March 08, 2010, 03:26:34 PM
i can do all i want to bike as long as i spend the same or more amount on her...

FYI, most don't appreciate the offer to buy 'em new cans.
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: junior varsity on March 08, 2010, 03:52:17 PM
fact.
Title: Re: Paint the engine, is it possible?
Post by: DarkMonster620 on March 08, 2010, 04:01:00 PM
it's a good deal for me....i've spent rebuilding no more than $600.00 so now she has, new bulova wrist watch, new guess wrist watch,....so, we're even...well...brakes are gonna cost a bit more....jejeje