[evil] Got your attention didn't I?
I don't mean the DMF. I love this place.
I mean my workplace.
HR is at her antics again.
But this time I am prepared to drop a bomb she isn't even remotely prepared to deal with.
The back story...
Last week and the week before, we cut both of our main locations' data services over to a new provider. This entailed me working both weekends.
I wasn't on call one of the weekends but I offered to work it because it would earn me a comp day (comp time is illegal in Iowa but I will get to that).
So this past Friday rolls around and I call the IT manager asking if she has a problem with me taking the day off considering the week before I worked 68 hours and was already at 49 hours for that week. She said she didn't see a problem with it as long as I was still planning on working the cutover at our other location on saturday and sunday.
So I relaxed on Friday. Got some stuff done I hadn't been able to and all around had a good day.
Saturday morning while at our other location, I get an email from the IT manager stating that she spoke with HR and she isn't sure she can get me paid for the day I took off.
Um...I am salaried and considering I will have in nearly 60 hours for the week even though I took the day off, I should be fine. Especially considering my employment contract states, "Work week: You are expected to work 40-50 hours per week as needed based on your on-call duties. Hours worked beyond normal work week hours will be compensated accordingly."
I can't believe this crap. So I send an email reply stating that I have easily covered my required work hours as set forth by my employment contract and as I have never taken a comp day in the past, feel that I easily qualify for one in this case. I grant that the notice was not the standard 30 day notice but also in my contract it states, “All days given as compensation for extra hours worked will be used within 30 calendar days of the day that they are granted.†So I couldn't very well give a 30 day notice as is required for vacation or personal days. But it was also approved verbally by the IT manager who had assumed my duties for the day.
So fast forward to Monday, I get a reply stating that the IT manager and the HR director would discuss this and get back to me by Tuesday.
Tuesday morning, I get a meeting request to meet with the IT manager.
I go in expecting to be told that I would be getting the day but in the future I would have to give some notice as to when I planned to take a day off as a comp day.
I couldn't have been more wrong. Instead, I am asked to sign a form stating that I am being written up for missing Friday. I am dumbfounded. On the form it states that I do not dictate when I receive comp days and that it is at the discretion of the IT manager. Furthermore, it states that my emails to the IT manager and HR director have been rude and disrespectful. I have each email I sent and in no way can they even remotely be construed as rude or disrespectful. The only time I even “raised my voice†in them was in quoting my contract, I used capital letters and quotation marks.
So I refuse to sign. I state that nothing I have done warrants a write up and that if I sign that form, it is me admitting I had done something wrong which I didn't believe I had.
So I call up a good friend of mine who happens to specialize in employment law and used to be an HR director himself for a very large firm here in central Iowa. We discuss the situation and he suggests that I quit. And not that I just up and walk out but give a 30 day notice via a formal letter of resignation. That I should cite “mental duress and an irreconcilable difference in contract stated job duties and work hours versus expected job duties and work hoursâ€.
He also suggests that when I submit it, that I do it both in person and via email including him at his law office email address.
It was also suggested that I file for unemployment for the same reasons stated above. I have only filed for unemployment once in my life and that was during a layoff which the company I worked for encouraged their employees to claim unemployment during winter hours.
The blatant double standard that exists here has worn on me. I am usually far from it but in this case it has touched me directly. I took the liberty of pulling the IT manager's attendance record as well as her punch in/out times and have discovered that she is 1000 times worse than anything I have ever done here.
Her expected hours are 8:00am to 5:00pm and on call duties as required. Mine are 6:30am-3:30pm and on call duties as required.
I went back 1.5 years and looked at her punch in/out times. She is late about 85% of the time and leaves early about 95% of the time. Whereas mine shows that there is MAYBE 5 instances of punching in late and even less of leaving early. She has 3 weeks of vacation time. Yet she took a total of 6 weeks off last year with no valid reasons beyond “personal days†or “vacation timeâ€. I had to “use it or lose it†with 2/3rds of my vacation time.
Yet *I* am the one who gets talked to on the VERY rare occasion when I am 10 or 15 minutes late.
So I ask you, friends of the DMF…should I tell them to “take this job and shove it� There are even more grievances I could post up and I don't think I am being unreasonable considering my track record. But I question everything on a regular basis and I don't think the HR director appreciates that at all.
We won't go into the fact that I have been ordered by the IT manager to violate software licensing laws countless times in my time here (“It's not illegal. We bought that one copy of Adobe CS4 Master Collection. We have every right to install it on 17 computers.†Or “We have Office 2007 already. It came with that one laptop we ordered. Let's upgrade everyone with it. Just make sure you turn off registration and auto updates.â€).
So what would you do? I mean I like a lot of the people I work with. Have made some good friends. But I have also reached a point where I don't agree with a lot of the policies that are being enforced that seem to change on a weekly basis.
the HR manager and the IT manager have bosses. File a grievance with those people and so on up the chain til you reach the company executives. oh and since you have clear indications the company is violating numerous employment and copyright laws, don't forget your whistleblower protection.
Quote from: Raux on March 03, 2010, 05:59:29 AM
the HR manager and the IT manager have bosses. File a grievance with those people and so on up the chain til you reach the company executives. oh and since you have clear indications the company is violating numerous employment and copyright laws, don't forget your whistleblower protection.
+1
go up the food chain first...
If he ccs his friends law office all the execs will become aware. ;)
Quote from: ducpainter on March 03, 2010, 06:12:02 AM
If he ccs his friends law office all the execs will become aware. ;)
+1
document everything. and that part about her timecard, be careful, it you weren't supposed to have access to it...
Quote from: Raux on March 03, 2010, 06:13:43 AM
+1
document everything. and that part about her timecard, be careful, it you weren't supposed to have access to it...
Get *all* the documents you can **while** you still can. If you have them, then you
can use them later. If you don't have them... Just check w/your employment lawyer friend to make sure the documents you want to present in court (which may not be all that you have) are legal for you to have.
And a big +1 to going above the two bosses heads and so on until you get to someone who cares. Who knows...you could end up with a promotion and a pay-raise out of it.
Is it worth the fight? Can you easily get another job in your location? just things to think about. Its a rough economy out there for IT
I'd trust the lawyer. As an observer, you're really in a hostile work environment and it sounds like the HR woman is getting payback for previous incidents. She's abusing her position and if the people above her know and do nothing, they are culpable.
I LOVE the cc: law offices. That's MY kind of passive/aggressive awesomeness (and no sarcasm intended).
The execs are the owners.
If I walk in there and say I quit because of (see above), they will fight to keep me around.
The problem is, they won't get rid of the HR director even though employees who have been in this business are jumping off like rats from a sinking ship. But the HR director has her nose so far up the CEOs ass, the can't even see her behind him anymore.
I am not really concerned about finding another job right away. I have resources, assets and savings that would allow me a very comfortable6 month job search or a living thin for a year job search.
I hate watching people who have been in this business for 20+ years just one day decide they are quitting because "I don't want to spend every day at work wondering when they are going to fire me" (last guy that quit gave that as his reason).
As for documentation, time punches, etc, I have full administration rights to the entire system. I have even been asked to review confidential HR and accounting files in the past so I am not terribly concerned there.
I guess the whole "spend each day wondering when I am going to get fired" thing has begun to seriously wear on me.
But that's the price to pay when you point out time and time again that the IT manager really doesn't know what she is doing.
Quote from: ducducgooseme on March 03, 2010, 06:24:02 AM
Is it worth the fight? Can you easily get another job in your location? just things to think about. Its a rough economy out there for IT
I got that covered...
I'm a certified Diesel mecanic, a licensed electrician, a very capable carpenter, a fair plumber, a serious IT geek and I have a degree in graphic design. Worst case scenario, I have options. ;)
Plus I have some friends out in Colorado I could come visit! [evil]
QUIT!
Summer is nice in NH...
if it happens. ;D
sd wants you to explore your options. He's just too shy to say it. [laugh]
honestly, the copyright violations alone should help you nail the IT manager. However, you might need to produce docs with her telling you to do that.
and this isn't a let them know what you have and see what they do thing. it's a quit your job and go to the gov't group on software piracy type thing. there are protections built in for it and i think you get a portion of the fine money.
Not so concerned about "rewards" from the software piracy thing. I just hate that I felt like it meant my job if I said no. Now that I have decided to cut and run, I have no inhibitions about turning them in.
Frankly, I like 3 of the 4 owners alot and fee bad for ding ot to them but I also warned them several times that wht the IT manager was asking me to do was illegal.
well then it looks like you have made up your mind. [thumbsup]
i say enjoy your time and laugh about the IT mgr getting reamed legally.
I say you're in a perfect position. Nothing holding you from quiting but why not try and go over their heads to see what happens. Hey, maybe the owners will finally realize and fire the IT Manager and give you the job. Wouldn't hurt trying especially if you have your lawyer friend to help along the way.
From reading the thread, it sounds like the only reason you're considering leaving is the IT mgr, so why not go to the owners and lay all of your cards on the table(After making sure you have everything documented and in your posossion, of course.) and do the "It's me or her" thing. Worst possible outcome; it's you, and you're ready for that anyway.
Quote from: Bun-bun on March 03, 2010, 07:21:29 AM
From reading the thread, it sounds like the only reason you're considering leaving is the IT mgr, so why not go to the owners and lay all of your cards on the table(After making sure you have everything documented and in your posossion, of course.) and do the "It's me or her" thing. Worst possible outcome; it's you, and you're ready for that anyway.
Seems to me it's HR not his direct mgr...who appears to be afraid of HR too.
I don't think you can begin to win in that scenario.
I quit my old IT job under SLIGHTLY similar circumstances (my "write up" was for missing meetings on general department statuses while I was actively working down servers -- I was the only one certified or empowered to work those servers. It was a new boss trying to show me who was boss. The disciplinary form had a someone else's first name and my last name on it. I refused to sign, and so on).
When it took hiring NINE people to replace what I did alone, I felt vindicated.
I know you're not looking for a payday, but given what you've put up with, I sincerely hope you get one.
I'm with the "Stick around a bit and make things miserable for the other 2" camp.
Once you make the decision to leave, things will seem a little less irritating. Plus, you may get to see the other two squirm a bit!
make sure you have documentation of the manager telling you to install products illegally or she'll pin it on you.
Looks like you have already made up your mind, so my only advice would be to have clear goals in dealing with this clustermake the beast with two backs. If it seems like it would be impossible to have your demands met, you have no reason to stay. If you think there is some wriggle room, you should at least explore the options. I would, just to know that I didn't leave anything on the table.
Even if your mind is made up, I think going to to the owners would be a good move - I don't like leaving scorched earth behind me when I leave a job no matter what the circumstances. To me, leaving without stating your grievances to anyone who might be interested or have the power to fix it falls under that category. Offering an ultimatum would limit their choices in dealing with the problem, so I probably would not do that - I suggest just laying out the facts and telling them what your options have been limited to based on what HR and the manager have done.
It would also make sense to communicate to them directly while you have the chance - there is a pretty good chance the IT and HR folks will wage a pretty aggressive smear campaign against after you go. I may be superstitious in thinking I have an industry-wide reputation to maintain, but you never know who knows who in the biz.
And hey, good luck in any case [thumbsup]
the other bonus of going to the owners and giving them all the facts and why you have to leave... they may end up calling you for that IT manager job after the place falls on its face when you leave [thumbsup]
I'm very interested to see how this unfolds, dude. Please keep us informed.
I've documented everything pretty thoroughly. I have made it a point to keep every email she has ever sent me on things that would be considered less than legal.
Most of it is the HR department though.
I think she is outright pissed about the fact that when I negotiated for this job, I was very adamant about getting everything in writing and signed by all parties involved.
I hear ya, dude.
I'm thinking I might need a change after only a year and a half at my current gig. The place would be fine if not for the greed-at-any-and-all-costs board of investors that own us coupled with utterly tyrannical upper management. Run just a tad differently, it would be pretty cool place to work, but a few ruin it for everyone. Turnover is rampant (and not always voluntary), yet the baddies don't/won't get it through their heads that it's incredibly damaging to the company when knowledge walks out the door.
:-\
I own my own business and still get sick of the asshole that runs the place on occasion. [cheeky]
In my line of work I have to deal with the gov't a lot. I'm having one of those weeks that makes me want to run off and join the circus. Good luck with your choice and how it all falls out (or apart). I agree that taking this higher up can be nothing but good for you and your future. Be careful not to come across as a whiney pregnant dog, but I'm guessing you don't handle yourself that way.
Quote from: il d00d on March 03, 2010, 09:14:57 AM
Looks like you have already made up your mind, so my only advice would be to have clear goals in dealing with this clustermake the beast with two backs.
And I think there might even be a kick-back program for turning in software licensing violations [evil]
Quote from: ZLTFUL on March 03, 2010, 05:45:15 AM
We won't go into the fact that I have been ordered by the IT manager to violate software licensing laws countless times in my time here (“It's not illegal. We bought that one copy of Adobe CS4 Master Collection. We have every right to install it on 17 computers.†Or “We have Office 2007 already. It came with that one laptop we ordered. Let's upgrade everyone with it. Just make sure you turn off registration and auto updates.â€).
my 2 cents on this aspect alone: a license agreement may in fact allow for numerous terminal installs with only one disc. common practice with adobe and several other companies. so this may not be a violation (but it very well could be). i actually studied some of the adobe contracts last semester in an IP licensing law class. the description of the microsoft software copying would be a violation.
Quote from: angler on March 03, 2010, 01:10:58 PM
-snip-
Be careful not to come across as a whiney pregnant dog, but I'm guessing you don't handle yourself that way.
You've never met ZLTFUL, have you.
[evil]
:-*
http://www.arxan.com/software-protection-resources/software-protection-articles/software-piracy-cash-to-whistleblowers-12-3-2009.php (http://www.arxan.com/software-protection-resources/software-protection-articles/software-piracy-cash-to-whistleblowers-12-3-2009.php)
Just sayin'
Quote from: Drunken Monkey on March 03, 2010, 02:44:17 PM
http://www.arxan.com/software-protection-resources/software-protection-articles/software-piracy-cash-to-whistleblowers-12-3-2009.php (http://www.arxan.com/software-protection-resources/software-protection-articles/software-piracy-cash-to-whistleblowers-12-3-2009.php)
Just sayin'
What he said, document, document, document, find another job, quit!
Quit typing on the DMF all day and get to work! ;D
mitt
Quote from: ato memphis on March 03, 2010, 01:48:24 PM
my 2 cents on this aspect alone: a license agreement may in fact allow for numerous terminal installs with only one disc. common practice with adobe and several other companies. so this may not be a violation (but it very well could be). i actually studied some of the adobe contracts last semester in an IP licensing law class. the description of the microsoft software copying would be a violation.
Have to address this as I was vague in my description.
They had *me* purchase one license for one user for CS4 Master Collection. I paid $1600. And I can assure you 100% that this is a one user CAL. But I was told to install it on 17 computers for our graphics and marketing departments at all 3 locations. One of the owners thought the software was cool and brought in his personal laptop and had me install it there as well.
The MS Office situation is similar. I ordered a new laptop for one of our team leads. I was told to order it with Office 2007 installed on it. I did. Once it got here, I was told to copy the Office install disc to our utility server so we could install it on everyone's computers.
As for you, Randy...I know where you live. :P
oh yes, then that's quite not good. it would be different if you obtained one disc and paperwork saying you had a license to make copies for 17 terminals, etc.
For entertainment value, I look forward to this whole thing blow up with Hollywood style ending - ZLTFUL riding off into the sunset + a bag of cash, with the company your work for burning in the background.
Keep us updated!
Quote from: ato memphis on March 04, 2010, 05:21:35 AM
oh yes, then that's quite not good. it would be different if you obtained one disc and paperwork saying you had a license to make copies for 17 terminals, etc.
You guys beat me to it.
Most software is not unlimited licensing unless it is free or some other agreement worked out.
I needed Visio on my computer and had to beg and plea with IT Chain of Command to get it due to the licensing cost involved.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on March 04, 2010, 10:09:10 AM
You guys beat me to it.
Most software is not unlimited licensing unless it is free or some other agreement worked out.
I needed Visio on my computer and had to beg and plea with IT Chain of Command to get it due to the licensing cost involved.
Yes, most software is charged on a per-install basis. Even for enterprise agreements, companies are charged for every computer install but at volume discount.
Quote from: ZLTFUL on March 04, 2010, 05:19:17 AM
They had *me* purchase one license for one user for CS4 Master Collection. I paid $1600. And I can assure you 100% that this is a one user CAL. But I was told to install it on 17 computers for our graphics and marketing departments at all 3 locations. One of the owners thought the software was cool and brought in his personal laptop and had me install it there as well.
The MS Office situation is similar. I ordered a new laptop for one of our team leads. I was told to order it with Office 2007 installed on it. I did. Once it got here, I was told to copy the Office install disc to our utility server so we could install it on everyone's computers.
EPIC FAIL.
I say if your going to quit anyways, take that HR pregnant dog down.. takem all down with you.. then go be your own boss as a small contractor and IT consultent..
Quote from: Goat_Herder on March 04, 2010, 09:59:29 AM- ZLTFUL riding off into the sunset + a bag of cash, with the company your work for burning in the background.
Isn't that kinda how "Office Space" ended?
I do have to say, since I stopped really giving a damn, this place has gotten alot more tolerable.
Quote from: ZLTFUL on March 04, 2010, 12:11:57 PM
I do have to say, since I stopped really giving a damn, this place has gotten alot more tolerable.
[popcorn]
I just copied all of the security entrance "swipes" for the IT manager and the HR director.
It shows a disturbing trend of not being available during their scheduled work hours.
I also enjoy the fact that literally every 30 minutes unless she is in a meeting, the IT manager goes on a cigarette break.
I don't have a problem ith smokers at all but the fact that she spends literally 1/4 of her day on smoke breaks is a bit beyond what would be considered fair.
I am amazed at the stuff you find when you dig a little bit.
I am quite looking forward to speaking to the representative from the BSA and see how they feel about this particular situation...sometime within the next 72 hours...
Quote from: ZLTFUL on March 04, 2010, 12:47:43 PM
I just copied all of the security entrance "swipes" for the IT manager and the HR director.
It shows a disturbing trend of not being available during their scheduled work hours.
I also enjoy the fact that literally every 30 minutes unless she is in a meeting, the IT manager goes on a cigarette break.
I don't have a problem ith smokers at all but the fact that she spends literally 1/4 of her day on smoke breaks is a bit beyond what would be considered fair.
I am amazed at the stuff you find when you dig a little bit.
I am quite looking forward to speaking to the representative from the BSA and see how they feel about this particular situation...sometime within the next 72 hours...
What do the Boy Scouts have to do with this? :P
Just had a thought...actually, I have had Fight Club running on my second monitor and the part where "Jack" informs his boss that he will be working from home from now on struck a chord...
"This is the list of shit I have on you. I will be working from home from now on. And you will continue to pay me my salary as normal. Otherwise, this list may happen to fall into a certain largest software company in the world's legal department's hands..."
"BSA"= Business Software Alliance. Them's the folks that as don't like them there software piratin' peoples yonder.
Dude, spying on your Manager is a great way to get yourself fired.............
Pulling her swipes?
That's a bit creepy and would NEVER take that into a meeting with anyone..........
You are making it seem you want her job, so are digging dirt up on her to get a result.
You are walking a thin line buddy. Be careful for what you wish and hope for.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on March 04, 2010, 12:56:07 PM
Dude, spying on your Manager is a great way to get yourself fired.............
Pulling her swipes?
That's a bit creepy and would NEVER take that into a meeting with anyone..........
You are making it seem you want her job, so are digging dirt up on her to get a result.
You are walking a thin line buddy. Be careful for what you wish and hope for.
He already posted he has admin rights and accessing that info is part of his job.
You are lucky that you have skills, resources (f.u. $), and smarts.
I'd walk. Life is too short to be miserable at work.
Quote from: ZLTFUL on March 04, 2010, 12:47:43 PM
I just copied all of the security entrance "swipes" for the IT manager and the HR director.
It shows a disturbing trend of not being available during their scheduled work hours.
I also enjoy the fact that literally every 30 minutes unless she is in a meeting, the IT manager goes on a cigarette break.
I don't have a problem ith smokers at all but the fact that she spends literally 1/4 of her day on smoke breaks is a bit beyond what would be considered fair.
I am amazed at the stuff you find when you dig a little bit.
I am quite looking forward to speaking to the representative from the BSA and see how they feel about this particular situation...sometime within the next 72 hours...
Damn.... this is getting good [popcorn]
Who's gonna play you in the Movie? ;D
Quote from: cyrus buelton on March 04, 2010, 12:56:07 PM
Dude, spying on your Manager is a great way to get yourself fired.............
Pulling her swipes?
That's a bit creepy and would NEVER take that into a meeting with anyone..........
You are making it seem you want her job, so are digging dirt up on her to get a result.
You are walking a thin line buddy. Be careful for what you wish and hope for.
One, what Nate said. I am asked almost daily to pull up punch times for drivers, sales people, other office departments. I have also been put in charge of setting security rights for people as well as setting up their alarm and building access.
And two, to display the rampant double standard that "management" is not held to the same standards as "normal" employees.
I have a friend here who is the manager of our shelf set and sales analytics team. He was ordered by HR to write up one of his employees for coming in late one day...ONE day. First and only time he has ever been late. Jeremy asked the HR director why he was writing him up when he, himself, had been late on far more occasions...that it didn't "feel" right. She told him that he would write him up or she would see to it that he was replaced with someone who would and that, "The same rules don't apply to you...you're management."
The HR director has had 5 jobs in the last 4 years. I know high level management at 2 of those 5 places and they both stated that she was let go because her tactics and dictates were "too extreme".
I know I focus alot on the IT manager. I don't want her job. It involves way too much time under the HR director's desk.
I do it because she is the person I have the most direct contact with and see the shit she pulls on a daily basis.
Our Grocery Store Sales Manager and C-Store Sales Manager are both similar in that they are fawning and boot licking douchenozzles.
There are a couple more "managers" who are the same way but the vast majority have serious issues and reservations about the double standard. In fact, I have 2 managers who are willing to give testimony to the state of things. Neither of them want to lose their jobs but both of them believe it is the HR director and not the owners.
Alot of drivers have gone over HR's head directly to the owners and have gotten things done. But the lasttime I did that was for an explanation of a decision and I got yelled at...publicly...in front of 17 people for simply asking why we weren't going to be purchasing a backup for our most business critical system. So I have no desire to give the owners an opportunity to resolve this.
Honestly, it's just this location anyway. When I go to our other locations, I feel like I am working for a family owned business where every employee is important and means something in the overall scheme of things. Here, I feel like everyone is treated as some nameless and faceless drone who needs to do their joband just shut up.
I mean something has to be wrong when the drivers voted nearly 90% to unionize. You don't unionize if you are being treated fairly in the grand scheme of things.
Oh yeah...I forgot to mention one very vital and important fact...
There are currently 7 pending lawsuits against the company with the HR director being co-sued specifically.
These lawsuits are from employees who have all been terminated by the current HR director for various reasons.
One was fired because she "no longer could perform job duties required by the position". Um' retard...she broke her ankle sipping on ice in YOUR parking lot on her way to her truck! She was fired while working her way through physical therapy.
Another was fired for "hostile attitude towards the HR department".
And yet another was fired because he was using his personal cell phone for work. He was religious about answering the phone from 6am to 6pm but between those times, he would shut his phone off. Alot of guys around here do that. But because HR did not like this person (he had been working for this company since 1976) and she was unable to get hold of him after hours about one of his employees, she made up some story about him using his work vehicle for personal use and having an extramarital affair in his work car. Completely untrue. Jeff left his work vehicle here after hours and walked to and from work every day and is MADLY in love with his wife.
Recently, a driver gave his notice. During his exit interview, he stated that the reason he was leaving was because he was tired of HR making up new rules whenever the situation warranted it. He sai he was tired of tiptoeing around every day wondering when he was going to get fired for a new rule that was implemented that day.
I have spent the last 2 yearsbeing unbiased and ignoring a lot of shit that would have driven people out long ago. All in the name of "the economy". Well, to put it bluntly, I am tired of watching shit hit the fan over and over again and not doing anything about it.
Oh yeah...one other thing Jud...listed in my employee file is my direct supervisor. It is listed as the 2 owners that run this location not the IT manager. I think that puts us on the same level and equal footing.
Any time I have ever gone to her for approval of a project, I get directed to the owners.
(http://www.careerprofessionals.com.au/Graphic/small%20shit%20HitsTheFan.jpg)
I agree! make the beast with two backs this place!! I'm too lazy to read through 4 pages of people ranting about it. I hope I didn't miss anything. ;D
I was just throwing in my two cents Ryan.
I just think unauthorized viewing of another employees swipes isn't ethical. I am sure you do have proper access and you pull swipes, but probably at the instruction of HR, a supervisor, etc etc.
Agreed your company is a bit shady and I hope you get resolution.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on March 05, 2010, 07:19:59 AM
I just think unauthorized viewing of another employees swipes isn't ethical. I am sure you do have proper access and you pull swipes, but probably at the instruction of HR, a supervisor, etc etc.
Agreed your company is a bit shady and I hope you get resolution.
If he has been asked to do this in the past, and if it is within his administrative rights to do so, then it is implied that there would be no ethical question involved with authorization or general access to this information - it is outside the scope of his job to analyze that information, and it will probably raise eyebrows if he uses the information in his case against the shithead HR director, but I don't think it is unethical.
So, I think I am getting a clearer picture now. You have an axe to grind with your IT manager because she supplicates to the HR manager - she's not doing what you are planning to do, which is take a stand. All of this could have been avoided if she didn't go to HR, but clearly she fears the of imbecilic wrath of HR. Looking forward to updates on the BSA situation.
Iteven goes farther tan just review. I have been told to actively monitor several employees swipe times.
Go gettem son.. I hate places like that.. practice what you preach and don't have diff rules for every one.. hope those douchets get fired, sued and black listed from anything above burger flippers..
[popcorn]
I feel your pain. [popcorn]
[popcorn]
I can only add that my boss is a make the beast with two backstard ;D
Quote from: Big Troubled Bear on March 08, 2010, 02:01:07 AM
[popcorn]
I can only add that my boss is a make the beast with two backstard ;D
+1 [bang]
Today is definitely off to a wonderful start.
I want to punch the HR hag. I want to nuke the printer(WTF is PC Load Letter??!!).
I want to strangle people who I have told things to multiple times and they still ask the same goddamned questions...
Why oh why haven't you called me yet Mr/Mrs/Miss BSA investigator??!!
Quote from: ZLTFUL on March 08, 2010, 07:53:30 AM
Today is definitely off to a wonderful start.
I want to punch the HR hag. I want to nuke the printer(WTF is PC Load Letter??!!).
I want to strangle people who I have told things to multiple times and they still ask the same goddamned questions...
Why oh why haven't you called me yet Mr/Mrs/Miss BSA investigator??!!
you know.. a slight tickle in the throat, maybe feelign feverish... swine flu maybe>>>