I'm hoping someone can help me out here and shed some light on this situation. I had just recently purchased an aluminum sidestand assembly with aluminum mount & switch from KEH here on the forum and his bike is a '99 M750. I'm replacing the black steel sidestand & mount from my 2000 M750. Doing this for length reasons.
My trouble is with the different type of safety switch on the replacement sidestand. It only has 2 wires coming out from it (yellow) and won't plug into the main harness (smaller connector), where as my original one has three wires (larger connector). The main harness on the bike end only has 2 wires going into the connector. Why is there 3 wires on my original switch harness??? It doesn't connect to anything. Can I just remove the switch and wires from the replacement sidestand and then just splice the 2 wires on the main harness at the bikes end??
I believe the answer is yes.
Quote from: ducpainter on March 21, 2010, 07:13:57 PM
I believe the answer is yes.
Yes, I can just join the the 2 wires together on the bikes harness end and eliminate the entire sidestand switch with wiring?? Will I have any starting issues after I do this? I understand that there is some sort of interlock safety in case the bike is started in gear & such.
Quote from: COP TZR on March 22, 2010, 03:15:23 AM
Yes, I can just join the the 2 wires together on the bikes harness end and eliminate the entire sidestand switch with wiring?? Will I have any starting issues after I do this? I understand that there is some sort of interlock safety in case the bike is started in gear & such.
That's what I meant.
IIRC there was some sort of diode that would be installed on some bikes that only bypassed the sidestand switch. That way you could warm your bike up on the stand, but it left the in gear part of the safety working.
My 96 has none of that and seems to be just fine.
Is the switch on the stand you bought a little plunger arrangement?
Does the '99 have a sidestand safety switch or just a switch to turn on the warning light? I believe your 2000 has the safety switch and the '99 just turns on a light. Look under the seat of your 2000. If there are three relays (main, safety and directional flasher) Otherwise you will see only two. If your bike has three relays under the seat did your bike start in neutral with the sidestand down in neutral before? Did it stall if placed in gear?
Anyway, only two of the three wires on your 2000 switch were used, and green was positive. not that it should matter anyway. You could just cut the connectors and connect the wires with different connectors or just splice them, or bypass the system like Nate suggested. has
Quote from: ducpainter on March 22, 2010, 03:19:21 AM
That's what I meant.
IIRC there was some sort of diode that would be installed on some bikes that only bypassed the sidestand switch. That way you could warm your bike up on the stand, but it left the in gear part of the safety working.
My 96 has none of that and seems to be just fine.
Is the switch on the stand you bought a little plunger arrangement?
Yes the switch I bought has a small little plunger pin on it that gets compressed when the sidestand is up. If I recall, my bike needed to be in neutral and sidestand down for it to start. I'll check tonight if I have 3 relays. I think I'm just going to remove the switch & wiring, join the wires together and the end of the bikes harness and free up some more clutter and be done with it. Heck who needs a reminder light.
Quote from: COP TZR on March 22, 2010, 07:44:36 AM
Heck who needs a reminder light.
Watched in horror this weekend as a good friend rode off w/his side-stand down and got up to speed in a canyon left-hander. Luckily, he had his wits about him and was able to make it through the corner as I couldn't catch up w/him in time.
Just sayin'...
Quote from: ducpainter on March 22, 2010, 03:19:21 AM
That's what I meant.
IIRC there was some sort of diode that would be installed on some bikes that only bypassed the sidestand switch. That way you could warm your bike up on the stand, but it left the in gear part of the safety working.
My 96 has none of that and seems to be just fine.
Is the switch on the stand you bought a little plunger arrangement?
I think the diode gets wired into the neutral light.
You are correct, Dan. This prevents a back feed to the neutral light.
Quote from: howie on March 22, 2010, 04:58:15 AM
Does the '99 have a sidestand safety switch or just a switch to turn on the warning light? I believe your 2000 has the safety switch and the '99 just turns on a light. Look under the seat of your 2000. If there are three relays (main, safety and directional flasher) Otherwise you will see only two. If your bike has three relays under the seat did your bike start in neutral with the sidestand down in neutral before? Did it stall if placed in gear?
Anyway, only two of the three wires on your 2000 switch were used, and green was positive. not that it should matter anyway. You could just cut the connectors and connect the wires with different connectors or just splice them, or bypass the system like Nate suggested. has
The 99 and older sidestand uses a different mounting bracket (two holes are the same as the rearset holes), and a different wiring hookup. Its purely an idiot-light trigger.
I upgraded to the newer style awhile back to get the benefits of the longer billet cyclecat sidestand. Lost the ability to have the idiot light now. First two or so rides were good reminders to put it up before riding off. Nobody likes having that uncomfortable "bonk" feeling, especially when coupled with the knowledge that the impact is being taken by the soft sides of your oil sump.
Quote from: ato memphis on March 22, 2010, 02:46:47 PM
The 99 and older sidestand uses a different mounting bracket (two holes are the same as the rearset holes), and a different wiring hookup. Its purely an idiot-light trigger.
I upgraded to the newer style awhile back to get the benefits of the longer billet cyclecat sidestand. Lost the ability to have the idiot light now. First two or so rides were good reminders to put it up before riding off. Nobody likes having that uncomfortable "bonk" feeling, especially when coupled with the knowledge that the impact is being taken by the soft sides of your oil sump.
There's no idiot light on my cluster, just neutral light. Are they pre 2000 that came equipped with a sidestand light?
Yup. red triangle.
Quote from: a m on March 23, 2010, 02:53:17 PM
Yup. red triangle.
I finally got around to this and started up my bike on the weekend. I've removed the sidestand switch and just simply joined the 2 wires together on the bikes harness. I still have the red triangle/hazard light lit up when I start the bike. How do turn it off? Also, If I remove the safety relay under the seat, will there be a negative effect to any other electrical?