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Title: Model Comparison (includes 796)
Post by: Spider on April 20, 2010, 10:36:31 AM
ha! this is turning into the old 'model comparison' thread on TOB....really good fun to pull out the old catalogs and log the data:

                          2004     2005     2006     2007     2008     2009     2010


m620 dark          X          X
m620                 X          X           X
695                                                          X           X
696                                                                       X           X         X

796                                                                                               X

m800                 X
S2r800 dark                   X           X
S2r800                          X           X           X

m1000s             X          X
S2r1000                                     X            X            X          
1100                                                                                  X           X
1100s                                                                                 X           X

S4r                   X           X           X
S4r t                                                        X            X
S4r s                                          X            X            X

stats:


                                seat height (")   Fuel         Dry Weight (p / kg)    HP      Torque (kgm / nm)
  
600:                         30.3                  4.2 / 16            383 / 174          51       5.1 / 50
620 (02-04):             30.3                  3.9 / 15            390 / 177          60       5.4 / 53.3
620 (05-06):             30.3                  3.6 / 14            370 / 168          63       5.7
695:                         30.3                  3.6 / 14            370 / 168          73       6.2
696:                         30.3                  3.8 / 15            355 / 161          80       7
796:                         31.5                  3.8 / 15            369 / 167          87       8    / 58


750                           30.3                 3.9 / 15             394 / 179          64      6.3  / 62
m800                        30.3                 3.9 / 15             394 / 179          73       7    / 69
S2r800                      31.5                 3.6 / 14             381 / 173          77       7.4


m900
m900sie                    31.5                 3.9 / 15             416 / 189          78       7.4 / 73


m1000                      31.5                 3.9 / 15             416 / 189           94       9.6 / 84
S2r1000                    31.5                 3.6 / 14             392 / 178           96       9.6 / 84
1100 / s                    31.9                 3.8 / 15             373 / 169           95       10.5


s4                             31.6                 4.4 / 16.5         423 / 193            101      9.3  / 92
s4 Fogarty                 31.6                 4.4 / 16.5         414 / 189            110      ?
s4r                            31.5                 3.9 / 15            425 / 193            113      10.1 / 95.5
s4r t / s                     31.5                 3.6 / 13.5         390 / 177            130      10.6 /

^note: in 2004 Ducati started using different measuring which is why the old sheet and the new don't marry well, dry weight was altered and HP was at the crankcase NOT the back wheel, torque was also altered that year

^note: bought a year 2000 catalog and turns out the 900 was IE that year as well. Would love a 2003 catalog!


Title: Re: Model Comparison (includes 796)
Post by: vossy on April 20, 2010, 01:05:17 PM
Man,  my brain hurts after reading all that.

Need a  [coffee]



Title: Re: Model Comparison (includes 796)
Post by: Justo on April 20, 2010, 05:49:10 PM
Ahhhh but which is the most fun to ride??


Title: Re: Model Comparison (includes 796)
Post by: FIFO on April 20, 2010, 08:48:11 PM
TOB....really good fun to pull out the old catalog and log the data;

Hey  Dude you should really get out more LOL [laugh] [laugh]




Title: Re: Model Comparison (includes 796)
Post by: mostro900 on April 20, 2010, 08:54:35 PM
oooooh, my M900 ain't in the top bit with the years.... c'mon Spider, another few hours at the computer and you should be able to go back to 1998 at least!  ;)


Title: Re: Model Comparison (includes 796)
Post by: DUCMONROB on April 20, 2010, 10:02:37 PM
Nice work Spider! [thumbsup]



Title: Re: Model Comparison (includes 796)
Post by: suzyj on April 20, 2010, 11:37:08 PM
I'm confused.  How'd they get 17 more HP out of 1 cc when they went from the 695 to the 696?


Title: Re: Model Comparison (includes 796)
Post by: goldFiSh on April 21, 2010, 12:43:33 AM
From memory, they're actually same displacement, but a completely new engine design, inc heads and fueling system. the model numbers are always displacement...


Title: Re: Model Comparison (includes 796)
Post by: Six95 on April 21, 2010, 12:46:45 AM
I'm confused.  How'd they get 17 more HP out of 1 cc when they went from the 695 to the 696?

Probably a typo. The M695 should be 73HP
The M695 engine was the highest output Vs capacity aircooled 2V ducati motor until the 696 came out.


Title: Re: Model Comparison (includes 796)
Post by: Mr.S2R on April 21, 2010, 12:49:12 AM
696 had better designed heads - always happens in the motoring industry - get more HP by better designed heads.


Title: Re: Model Comparison (includes 796)
Post by: Six95 on April 21, 2010, 12:50:16 AM
Probably a typo. The M695 should be 73HP
The M695 engine was the highest output Vs capacity aircooled 2V ducati motor until the 696 came out.


oh, and the last of the 620's (injected models) were actually 63HP.


Title: Re: Model Comparison (includes 796)
Post by: ungeheuer on April 21, 2010, 01:11:55 AM
From memory, they're actually same displacement, but a completely new engine design, inc heads and fueling system. the model numbers are always displacement...
Um.....  ??? So since the model number always reflects the displacement, and since the 696 and 695 both have the same displacement..... is the 695 696cc's or is the 696 695cc's or vice versa?  Or are they both 696cc's?? Or.... are they both 695cc's??? Hmm???   ;D

I think you mean that the model numbers are always the displacement.... except when they're not.  The 696's extra 1cc was marketing-speak I do believe.  In fact the bore x stroke (and therefore the capacity) are identical.  But you're right about the new head design and the switch to siemens fuelling.


Title: Re: Model Comparison (includes 796)
Post by: Spider on April 21, 2010, 01:39:40 AM

oh, and the last of the 620's (injected models) were actually 63HP.

done, thanks, didn't know  [thumbsup]


Title: Re: Model Comparison (includes 796)
Post by: suzyj on April 21, 2010, 10:39:27 AM
Probably a typo. The M695 should be 73HP
The M695 engine was the highest output Vs capacity aircooled 2V ducati motor until the 696 came out.

Yah.  My manual quotes power as 52 KW (71 HP).



Title: Re: Model Comparison (includes 796)
Post by: Two dogs on April 21, 2010, 01:54:02 PM
Sooo how many xtra ponies with a Termi kit?
Is it an average or does it depend on the model?


Title: Re: Model Comparison (includes 796)
Post by: Six95 on April 21, 2010, 04:51:12 PM
Dez,
PM me your email address.
From what I've seen that it's all different for the model range
I'll send you a graph of a stock vs Termi Kit M695. (termis, air filter, open airbox and ECU).

Top end its only a dismal 1hp, however between 4500-7500rpm there is a very sexy bulge


Title: Re: Model Comparison (includes 796)
Post by: Spider on April 21, 2010, 09:20:34 PM
Probably a typo. The M695 should be 73HP
The M695 engine was the highest output Vs capacity aircooled 2V ducati motor until the 696 came out.

fixed! now reads right.

any one got a Foggy edition s4 catalog with numbers?


Title: Re: Model Comparison (includes 796)
Post by: DUCMONROB on April 22, 2010, 01:00:59 AM
A sneek peek at the new monster colour options!

(http://hellforleathermagazine.com/images/Logomania_MonsterART.jpg)


Title: Re: Model Comparison (includes 796)
Post by: suzyj on April 22, 2010, 01:08:03 AM
So will this be in the exam?


Title: Re: Model Comparison (includes 796)
Post by: Struba on April 22, 2010, 09:50:45 PM
I like the first one


Title: Re: Model Comparison (includes 796)
Post by: Spider on April 23, 2010, 01:03:09 AM
I like the first one

me too! hot!


Title: Re: Model Comparison (includes 796)
Post by: ungeheuer on April 23, 2010, 01:14:21 AM
I like the second one  [thumbsup]


Title: Re: Model Comparison (includes 796)
Post by: roxy696 on April 29, 2010, 05:08:38 PM
+1 for the first one,

(the second one looks good on the black frame but not on red and i have a red frame)


Title: Re: Model Comparison (includes 796)
Post by: timmyc on April 30, 2010, 05:59:30 AM
I'm quite liking the standard black one at the moment with its red frame and logo.


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