Ducati Monster Forum

So... looking for an after market exhaust for the 999... heck... even just a slip on... $1200 minimum for a can... just the can... oye... I wonder how hard it is to core the can on the 999...  [bang]

Sorry... just an inane ramble.... continue on with your day....

Get used to it. Most are a total ripoff. Apparently a couple mandrel bends and some welding makes exhaust tubing worth thousands.

it is when you are making them in tiny volumes. gotta mark up enough to keep the doors open

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If there were as many 999's on the road as GSXR's parts and accessories would be a lot cheaper.

ya i don't get it either; even the price of the jap exhausts. for the price of a full system i could get custom stainless headers for a turbo car.

it amazes me the price of exhausts. If anything seems worth the price is the boom tubes imo because they are all hand done and custom to an extent.

I guess, but boomtubes are fairly simple to produce. some bends and some welds. Couple hours to make them. Back when I was a car guy I had custom headers bent and paid $400 total. This was on an 00 ls1 camaro. Were talking 6-8 feet of exhaust cut and bent to each of the 8 heads and then a collector on each side. It took 2 days for the shop to make them and it cost me $400!!. How is it that the h-competition and boomtubes are $1000??

 The prices are ridiculous.

i think you are missing the point, for full systems and headers, its not a run-of-the-mill job for a shop.

getting an exhaust bent for a domestic muscle car is something done very commonly. It turns out that on v-8 domestic vehicles, there's 4 exhaust ports on each side - it goes towards the back, etc, this is run of the mill work for exhaust shops. shops have been cranking these out for big block and small block domestic engines for domestic rides. I had this done on my Z28 back in the day too.

compare with duc exhausts: various lengths because of the different cylinder sizes, different exhaust port shapes, including bends to compensate for drain plugs, including different shaped sumps. Then you've got different swingarm mounting and vertical cylinder exhaust routing.

Its just not as trivial or commonly done. You pay more, because its less common. The average exhaust shop guy doesn't know what to look out for as far as clearance issues (and all the places those crop up) on a motorcycle.

PM'd ya, I get xx9 bikes in all the time, might have something for you in a week or 2.

And these details justify a $1000+ price tag? Systems that have no silencers are just bent piping. Ex-box, boom tubes, h-competition. Why are these systems along the same price line as the professional systems with CF silencers (which are expensive to produce) I would expect just a set of slip-on silencers to be around ~800 (too bad they are 1000+) because they are MUCH more difficult to produce than an exhaust with no silencers. Yet some slip-ons are less expensive than systems that are just straight-pipes i.e. ex-box, boomtubes, h-comp.

Bottom line is the prices are ridiculous. BUT HEY! we didn't buy Ducati to save money now did we? So shut up and grin while lighting your wallet on fire and throwing it a the nearest parts retailer.

The shops that market for racing applications etc have to get their budgets for sponsorships somewhere.

You can always talk to a shop like this: www.carbonpartz.net/ (http://)

Looking at about $630 for a set of Leo Vince's. Comparable to the SIL's I bought for the other bike. Titanium would look better but the SS will do.

$1200/can though?!

Exhaust is expensive.  Boomtubes are really artwork and I like them.  I also like the classic cans, CF, titanium or SS, it doesn't matter.  But the bottom line is that I want it to sound nasty and look great.
Ducs are expensive and living in the USA riding an Italian bike does not make things any easier or cheaper.
But to feed your fire a little bit, I hate the expensive nature of these things!  I give it all the money I can and it still wants more and it's never happy and it just always wants to look sexier and dirtier, I can't even keep the damn thing clean, much less inexpensive. [moto]  It just feels so good in the top of 3rd gear.

i am talking specifically about very labor intensive high quality stainless steel turbo headers for a v8 application, something like this you'd leave the car at the shop and they would make everything and test fit the turbo for you and you're looking at around $1500. CUSTOM. So how ducati exhausts that are semi-mass produced similar pricing is beyond me.

agreed. The prices are absolutely inflated. Almost as bad as Apple inc. <- evil company.

But like I said. We didn't buy ducs to be cost effective.  :)

This just in:

Ducati's and their aftermarket modifications are expensive.

More at 11.

It's 12:20 am here! lies

The full after market Akrapovic Exhaust  system for a BMW S 1000 RR is about $2800 -$2900.

So it's not just Ducs that are expensive.

Dolph

from what i remember, harley exhausts are also expensive, but they've got chrome those folger's tin cans, so there's an extra step.

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wrong buddy boy.  my exhaust cost $670 and it was chrome too.

What rankles me is that hit-or-miss quality you get for the premium dollars...

all for a pair of glass-packs no less

clearly there's a market for high quality, inexpensive Duc exhaust. 


<waiting for someone on this thread to make their millions producing them>

Economy of scale...  Simple

Had a set of custom, equal length, stepped tube, merged collector headers done for my car in stainless - $1600. And they had a basic template for exhaust, as its a 289 based motor in a Mercury Comet, so there are about 5 million of them out there, and have been since 1965.

Any idea just how long it takes to make a full custom exhaust system? We do it in about 40 man hours. That's a merged collector and equal volume tubing for each cylinder, and trying to mimic the length of the stock system to maintain the scavenge properties with the stock cam timing, etc.

I understand that Yoshimura spends about 100 hours per full system they develop on dyno tuning and fitment, then you have to build a jig and make the systems. Leo Vince spends a bit more time, on each system, and wont release one, no matter how much customer request there is, unless it makes more power than stock, which isn't easy to do now-days.

Now I do think that 3k for a termi system makes about as much sense as a $800 DP ECU, when they are both equally bad, but if you only make 500 units, its really hard to recoup the R&D expenses.

I honestly think that if we came out with a $1000 full system for a 1198, no one would buy it anyway, figuring it was junk (which it would have to be at that price) China has lots of cheap alternatives, and Im sure the days of cheap Duc parts are right around the corner.

What would be a fair price for a pair of CF Termi Slipons for a S4Rs ?

Dolph     :)

I'd say $600?  The Arrows are far better looking IMO and can be had for that price. 
I'm a puss and admit it but I myself can't justify nearly $3k on a full system to get the paltry 8% or so gain.  That said, I'll sure as hell spend it on accessories though  [thumbsup]

Quit complaining and look for a used system.  They're out there.

LA

 

Price is one thing, but to get bent over AND not have them fit perfectly is ridiculous.

You still talking about exhausts?  :P

 :-* ;D

Would this work, I ran across it this morning

http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/mcy/1707942861.html (http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/mcy/1707942861.html)

I guess I need to do a dissertation on manufacturing...

There are two major differences between the Ducati Exhaust we make vs. the car exhast we also make.  Our Hcomp exhaust is much more difficult to make than are car exhaust. Fortunately I have the current experience of manufacturing both.  What seems like a couple of bends and welds is a lot more involved than cutting some tubes and welding them. Our midpipe takes a full day to complete one.  The big issue we have is the fact we are hand coping and jigging across a seam weld on our midpipe, in other words we have to merge and cope three welded pipes and be less than .1" tolerance. To explain this you must see the midpipe up close. Not only that, it takes three hours to hand brush and finish each midpipe, that alone is an additional process you do not have to do on a car exhaust.

Silencers:
Yes we have them in all of our exhaust...Boom tubes have them too!

I hate to break the myth, but carbon fiber is pretty inexpensive.  To make a carbon fiber tube requires less than 1 sq yard of fabric.  On the consumer market the price is $50.00 per sq yard. We purchase carbon sheet at $35.00 per yard. Larrger companies buy for even less.  The Rodan box cost me about the same in materials.  Factor in the fact that all of our pieces are laser cut and CNC bent. That is not cheap by the way.  Also what seems like a few pieces is much more, the Rodan box is made from 9 different pieces that must be jigged and welded together and packed.  A carbon silencer is much less work.  They are comprised of a stamped piece of metal tail cap, a carbon tube, perf tube, and front piece.  Pretty easy to assemble as well.  Our twin tube is also all hand made along with the silencers that fit within them.

Until you have actually been involved in manufacturing it is easy to throw around cost when you are on the outside.

Our sister business manufactures this stainless system out of schedule 40.  It takes 1 day to complete this exhaust manifold and retails for $1095.
(http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/ntnsracing_2101_195154847)

This exhaust takes 2 full days and retails for: $950
(http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv250/bsurjan/001.jpg)

nonsense all of it!  clearly you're making millions and ripping us sad little folk off.

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Ryan, I'm not trying to belittle your operation or anything. We know you make a profit and if any of the manufacturers deserve a profit it's you guys. I still think that the slip-on kits are overpriced. Being that yours is a full exhaust swap it definitely has greater value. I'll probably be buying the h-competition exhaust shortly. I'm between that and the Arrow CF slip-on.

I'm just glad I haven't been to a meet up and show up driving my 8 year old Toyota Tundra, everyone would be extremely envious. I have to keep a low profile and ride my cheappy 696
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Toyota Tundra, I knew it, your a millionaire.

Any news on the next version of your exhaust Ryan? You mentioned a new version with different baffling coming out in the next 2 weeks or so. I am waiting with extreme impatience for pictures or video of this updated system.

/hijack

I would rather pay good money for a well made product than spend a little just to have something. If I wanted to do that, I would have bought something other than Ducati.

A lot of good stuff comes out of Italy. Art, women, wine, food, architecture, cars, bikes, women, etc. and it ain't cheap.

But it's good.

And I am sure that these other "little guys" aren't littering the market with crap.