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Title: WSBK Rd 4 -- Assen (Spoilers)
Post by: Spidey on April 23, 2010, 05:54:55 AM
FP1

1. Jonathan Rea GBR Ten Kate Honda CBR1000RR 1min 36.789s
2. Troy Corser AUS BMW Motorrad S1000RR 1min 36.914s
3. Cal Crutchlow GBR Yamaha Sterilgarda YZF R1 1min 37.199s
4. Leon Haslam GBR Alstare Suzuki GSX-R1000 1min 37.556s
5. Jakub Smrz CZE PATA B&G Racing Ducati 1198 1min 37.660s
6. Carlos Checa ESP Althea Ducati 1198 1min 37.737s
7. Shane Byrne GBR Althea Ducati 1198 1min 37.781s
8. Michel Fabrizio ITA Ducati Xerox 1198 1min 37.781s
9. James Toseland GBR Yamaha Sterilgarda YZF R1 1min 38.040s
10. Luca Scassa ITA Supersonic Ducati 1198 1min 38.075s
11. Max Biaggi ITA Aprilia Alitalia Racing RSV-4 1min 38.206s
12. Lorenzo Lanzi ITA DFX Ducati 1198 1min 38.213s
13. Sylvain Guintoli FRA Alstare Suzuki GSX-R1000 1min 38.332s
14. Tom Sykes GBR Kawasaki SRT ZX-10R 1min 38.352s
15. Max Neukirchner GER Ten Kate Honda CBR1000RR 1min 38.435s
16. Noriyuki Haga JPN Ducati Xerox 1198 1min 38.456s
17. Leon Camier GBR Aprilia Alitalia Racing RSV-4 1min 38.580s
18. Ruben Xaus ESP BMW Motorrad S1000RR 1min 38.765s
19. Chris Vermeulen AUS Kawasaki SRT ZX-10R 1min 40.052s
20. Roger Lee Hayden USA Team Pedercini Kawasaki ZX-10R 1min 41.195s
21. Matteo Baiocco ITA Team Pedercini Kawasaki ZX-10R 1min 41.375s
22. Broc Parkes AUS Echo-CRS Honda CBR1000RR No Time


Title: Re: WSBK Rd 4 -- Assen (Spoilers)
Post by: Spidey on April 23, 2010, 05:55:22 AM
Q1

1. Jakub Smrz CZE PATA B&G Racing Ducati 1198 1min 36.041s
2. Jonathan Rea GBR Ten Kate Honda CBR1000RR 1min 36.339s
3. Troy Corser AUS BMW Motorrad S1000RR 1min 36.489s
4. Leon Haslam GBR Alstare Suzuki GSX-R1000 1min 36.618s
5. Cal Crutchlow GBR Yamaha Sterilgarda YZF R1 1min 36.752s
6. Carlos Checa ESP Althea Ducati 1198 1min 36.805s
7. Leon Camier GBR Aprilia Alitalia Racing RSV-4 1min 37.064s
8. Shane Byrne GBR Althea Ducati 1198 1min 37.081s
9. Michel Fabrizio ITA Ducati Xerox 1198 1min 37.165s
10. James Toseland GBR Yamaha Sterilgarda YZF R1 1min 37.166s
11. Lorenzo Lanzi ITA DFX Ducati 1198 1min 37.344s
12. Tom Sykes GBR Kawasaki SRT ZX-10R 1min 37.434s
13. Max Neukirchner GER Ten Kate Honda CBR1000RR 1min 37.453s
14. Noriyuki Haga JPN Ducati Xerox 1198 1min 37.462s
15. Luca Scassa ITA Supersonic Ducati 1198 1min 37.506s
16. Max Biaggi ITA Aprilia Alitalia Racing RSV-4 1min 37.580s
17. Sylvain Guintoli FRA Alstare Suzuki GSX-R1000 1min 37.684s
18. Ruben Xaus ESP BMW Motorrad S1000RR 1min 37.685s
19. Matteo Baiocco ITA Team Pedercini Kawasaki ZX-10R 1min 38.795s
20. Chris Vermeulen AUS Kawasaki SRT ZX-10R 1min 39.079s
21. Roger Lee Hayden USA Team Pedercini Kawasaki ZX-10R 1min 39.186s
22. Broc Parkes AUS Echo-CRS Honda CBR1000RR 1min 40.485s


Title: Re: WSBK Rd 4 -- Assen (Spoilers)
Post by: Spidey on April 23, 2010, 06:31:25 AM
Huh?!?


Title: Re: WSBK Rd 4 -- Assen (Spoilers)
Post by: gm2 on April 23, 2010, 06:42:16 AM
Smrz is always fast here...

yay for RLH not being last @ the first track of the season he's never seen before ;).  and only barely slower than the factory kawi.  granted, the mole is injured.

guess corser was serious when he said he finally found a reliable base setup  :o

i wonder if max n will ever figure out the honda.  gotta love watching haslam kill it on his old bike.




Title: Re: WSBK Rd 4 -- Assen (Spoilers)
Post by: Spidey on April 24, 2010, 05:25:35 AM
Superpole

1. Jonathan Rea GBR Ten Kate Honda CBR1000RR 1min 34.944s
2. Jakub Smrz CZE PATA B&G Racing Ducati 1198 1min 35.062s
3. Troy Corser AUS BMW Motorrad S1000RR 1min 35.306s
4. Leon Haslam GBR Alstare Suzuki GSX-R1000 1min 35.330s
5. Leon Camier GBR Aprilia Alitalia Racing RSV-4 1min 35.533s
6. Carlos Checa ESP Althea Ducati 1198 1min 35.892s
7. Shane Byrne GBR Althea Ducati 1198 1min 35.909s
8. Michel Fabrizio ITA Ducati Xerox 1198 1min 36.405s

9. Cal Crutchlow GBR Yamaha Sterilgarda YZF R1 1min 36.027s
10. James Toseland GBR Yamaha Sterilgarda YZF R1 1min 36.061s
11. Max Biaggi ITA Aprilia Alitalia Racing RSV-4 1min 36.069s
12. Ruben Xaus ESP BMW Motorrad S1000RR 1min 36.094s
13. Sylvain Guintoli FRA Alstare Suzuki GSX-R1000 1min 36.327s
14. Tom Sykes GBR Kawasaki SRT ZX-10R 1min 36.348s
15. Noriyuki Haga JPN Ducati Xerox 1198 1min 36.574s
16. Max Neukirchner GER Ten Kate Honda CBR1000RR 1min 36.581s

17. Luca Scassa ITA Supersonic Ducati 1198 1min 36.906s
18. Lorenzo Lanzi ITA DFX Ducati 1198 1min 36.989s
19. Chris Vermeulen AUS Kawasaki SRT ZX-10R 1min 38.378s
20. Broc Parkes AUS Echo-CRS Honda CBR1000RR 1min 38.622s

21. Matteo Baiocco ITA Team Pedercini Kawasaki ZX-10R 1min 38.471s
22. Roger Lee Hayden USA Team Pedercini Kawasaki ZX-10R 1min 38.769s


Title: Re: WSBK Rd 4 -- Assen (Spoilers)
Post by: Roy on April 24, 2010, 07:11:43 AM
What's with the factory Ducati's?  There are three privateer 1198's in front of them on superpole...


Title: Re: WSBK Rd 4 -- Assen (Spoilers)
Post by: gm2 on April 24, 2010, 07:18:23 AM
i think nori just likes passing people.

plus, smrz is always fast, esp here.  and the althea bikes are only barely not factory.


Title: Re: WSBK Rd 4 -- Assen (Spoilers)
Post by: fastwin on April 25, 2010, 06:42:36 AM
Anyone else notice that when Tardozzi left Ducati the Corse bikes have been so-so this year and now that he is with BMW their bikes are doing better? Coincidence? Puzzling evidence... ;D


Title: Re: WSBK Rd 4 -- Assen (Spoilers)
Post by: Triple J on April 25, 2010, 12:52:17 PM
Great races...especially race 2. The passing in the top 6 was unbelievable  [bow_down], then Camier's crash  :o. WOW  [thumbsup]

Rea!  [thumbsup] [thumbsup]

Anyone else notice that when Tardozzi left Ducati the Corse bikes have been so-so this year and now that he is with BMW their bikes are doing better? Coincidence? Puzzling evidence... ;D

Yep


Title: Re: WSBK Rd 4 -- Assen (Spoilers)
Post by: tufty on April 25, 2010, 01:59:27 PM
Insane racing!!


Title: Re: WSBK Rd 4 -- Assen (Spoilers)
Post by: superjohn on April 26, 2010, 01:49:36 AM
Some excellent racing, but what the heck is up with the factory Ducatis? They're WAYY behind where they were last year.


Title: Re: WSBK Rd 4 -- Assen (Spoilers)
Post by: Cider on April 26, 2010, 05:31:56 AM
Some excellent racing, but what the heck is up with the factory Ducatis? They're WAYY behind where they were last year.

Tardozzi took the team's mojo with him to BMW.


Title: Re: WSBK Rd 4 -- Assen (Spoilers)
Post by: fastwin on April 26, 2010, 05:45:50 AM
Apparently. :'(

I never got the feeling he was mad or fed up with Ducati. In fact I got the feeling he was just retiring or taking some well needed time away from racing. Then got a grenade tossed in my lap that he was signing on with Bimmer. I was kinda shocked, didn't see that coming and hadn't heard/read any rumors. Maybe I just missed the obvious, I've done that many times before... usually in relationships. [bang] [laugh]


Title: Re: WSBK Rd 4 -- Assen (Spoilers)
Post by: gm2 on April 26, 2010, 06:42:43 AM
the bmw was always going to be this good once they got the setup figured out.  and a few weeks ago corser said he had finally done that.  xaus, well...

no clue on the xerox bikes.  maybe they need to use althea's lesser electronics pkg.

i am so happy to see jt getting back to his old ways.   ...seriously, tufty.  ;)


GREAT racing!  the Flaminis must be having kittens.


Title: Re: WSBK Rd 4 -- Assen (Spoilers)
Post by: gm2 on April 26, 2010, 08:46:02 AM
http://www.crash.net/world+superbikes/news/159097/1/worst_event_in_nine_years_for_ducati_factory.html (http://www.crash.net/world+superbikes/news/159097/1/worst_event_in_nine_years_for_ducati_factory.html)


Title: Re: WSBK Rd 4 -- Assen (Spoilers)
Post by: Spidey on April 26, 2010, 08:47:03 AM
Good, good stuff.  

It was awesome watching that freight train of front runners in each race.  Gotta say, I was impressed with Rea's racecraft.  He slowed down the pace in the lead, but not enough that he lost pace.  Then in each race, he uncorked it at the end and took off.  Well done.  I dig that he and Haslam have no problem swapping paint.  They both just consider it hard racing.

I was going to say that Camier had the ride of the weekend until he Spies'd himself in the second to last lap of Race 2.

The weekend trophy goes jointly to JT and Ducati.  JT didn't do any single thing spectacularly, but just moved up and stayed there.  I didn't hear anyone comment on how well he held his position.  It wasn't because he was going so much faster.  It's because he can really race.  His lines were great.  I just wish he had the final blast to catch up with Rea and (in Race 2) with Haslam.  It's good to see him back in the mix.  I've started finding myself rooting for him over everyone else.  Bravo, JT.   [clap]

So why does Ducati also get the weekend trophy?  Because it looks like my internet trophy is the only one they'll see for a while. WTF is wrong with those guys?  Same line-up, same bikes and they were second and third in the championship last year.  Jeebus.  AT least WSBK reqards wins.  Nori just needs to get a coupla wins or podiums and he'll be back in the hunt.  But he can't keep up this shit.  As for douchebrizio, who cares?  Ducati needs to find someone consistent.  He started last year riding like dogshit as well.  

And boo to Speed for not showing Ollie's boobies.  >:(

As for BMW, I don't know what to say.  Sure, Troy can lead a race or get on pole.  But he consistenly fades at the end.  The bike is looking better and better, but I don't consider him a full-race length front runner until he shows he can run with the big boys in last third of the race.


Title: Re: WSBK Rd 4 -- Assen (Spoilers)
Post by: derby on April 26, 2010, 09:53:42 AM
I dig that he and Haslam have no problem swapping paint.  They both just consider it hard racing.

go watch the last decade or so of british superbike (or the british worldsbk rounds w/ the wildcards)... paint-swapping galore.

As for BMW, I don't know what to say.  Sure, Troy can lead a race or get on pole.  But he consistenly fades at the end.  The bike is looking better and better, but I don't consider him a full-race length front runner until he shows he can run with the big boys in last third of the race.

the bike obviously has the speed. i'm chalking this up to tire management (either setup or rider induced).


Title: Re: WSBK Rd 4 -- Assen (Spoilers)
Post by: Jester on April 26, 2010, 10:27:07 AM
the bike obviously has the speed. i'm chalking this up to tire management (either setup or rider induced).

That was my thought as well.  I would imagine the tires are more responsible for the drop off, although if Troy is lighting them up too much it could be joint blame between him and setup.  Setup goes hand in hand with how the bike has to be riden.  He might be fighting with rear grip and subsequently sliding the bike a lot more than he'd want to.


Title: Re: WSBK Rd 4 -- Assen (Spoilers)
Post by: derby on April 26, 2010, 11:05:53 AM
That was my thought as well.  I would imagine the tires are more responsible for the drop off, although if Troy is lighting them up too much it could be joint blame between him and setup.  Setup goes hand in hand with how the bike has to be riden.  He might be fighting with rear grip and subsequently sliding the bike a lot more than he'd want to.

yeah... troy has historically been a relatively smooth rider which leads me to think he may be compensating for something else.


Title: Re: WSBK Rd 4 -- Assen (Spoilers)
Post by: gm2 on April 26, 2010, 12:52:32 PM
that thing makes almost 185 ponies stock.  it's not hurting for power.

and that's a big reason why they wanted corser in the first place, i'm sure -- he's very smooth, very precise.  he's the opposite end of the spectrum from xaus.


Title: Re: WSBK Rd 4 -- Assen (Spoilers)
Post by: mitt on April 26, 2010, 02:41:31 PM
http://www.crash.net/world+superbikes/news/159097/1/worst_event_in_nine_years_for_ducati_factory.html (http://www.crash.net/world+superbikes/news/159097/1/worst_event_in_nine_years_for_ducati_factory.html)

ouch

mitt


Title: Re: WSBK Rd 4 -- Assen (Spoilers)
Post by: ducpainter on April 26, 2010, 03:51:12 PM
Tardozzi took the team's mojo with him to BMW.
Indeed


Title: Re: WSBK Rd 4 -- Assen (Spoilers)
Post by: MadDuck on April 27, 2010, 06:43:12 AM
that thing makes almost 185 ponies stock.  it's not hurting for power.

and that's a big reason why they wanted corser in the first place, i'm sure -- he's very smooth, very precise.  he's the opposite end of the spectrum from xaus.

Corser may be basically smooth but he was wringing that bike for all that it was worth. He had the front end shaking all over and was getting the rear out of shape too. Had to be the tires going and maybe he just got a bit tired setting such a pace when he was running at the front.


Title: Re: WSBK Rd 4 -- Assen (Spoilers)
Post by: gm2 on April 27, 2010, 07:00:14 AM
wringing that bike for all that it was worth

you're not going to lead a wsbk race if you aren't doing just that  :)



Title: Re: WSBK Rd 4 -- Assen (Spoilers)
Post by: gm2 on April 27, 2010, 07:21:06 PM
this just in: tallest man in Holland joins ten kate as a mechanic

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Apr/100427rea.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Apr/100427rea.htm)


Title: Re: WSBK Rd 4 -- Assen (Spoilers)
Post by: Speeddog on April 30, 2010, 07:37:52 AM
Um, doesn't everybody have the same tires?


Title: Re: WSBK Rd 4 -- Assen (Spoilers)
Post by: gm2 on April 30, 2010, 10:19:16 AM
Um, doesn't everybody have the same tires?


choice of a few, yes.  (rhetorical, i know..)

but how the various bikes treat them.. very different


Title: Re: WSBK Rd 4 -- Assen (Spoilers)
Post by: Speeddog on April 30, 2010, 11:48:42 AM
Just wanted to make sure....

Like Derby said, bike setup or rider technique.
Both races he went about the same, so it wasn't just his tire selection in the first race.


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