http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37017036/ns/world_news-europe/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37017036/ns/world_news-europe/)
I admire this kid for some reason.
1. He is a Prince
2. He can sit on his ass his entire life and do nothing
3. He hasn't.
He got my respect for joining the military and then raising a stink when they wouldn't let him join his battalion in the Sand Pit.
Well, they secretly got him there until that damn newspaper outed him as being over there, which was such poor form.
Now the kid passed flight school, got his wings, and now will train to fly one bad ass helicopter (however, I am sure who he is probably helped a bit to get him in that training class).
He is doing all he can to get back in the game and serve his country.
I doubt many royalty or people of even privileged upbringings would do this.
[beer]
Good luck to him.
Princes, particularly those in line for the big crown, are pretty much obligated to join the military. Its so the little people end up saying things like, "I really admire that guy" while they live opulent lives off the backs of people who actually produce things for society. Get some bona fides with the masses so they don't squawk about how useless your family's role on this planet is. Its a good way to keep your head.
And its cute that he want to fly helicopters. But he's taking a spot away from someone who may actually see combat one day. And that sucks. But hey, if the rich kid wants to play soldier for a bit I guess that's better than raping the chamber maids or whatever.
The fact that his handlers manipulated the press adeptly enough to make it look like he really did want to be in the desert doesn't change anything. I guess its even possible that he wasn't in on the manipulation. He may very well think he wants to serve his country where the bullets fly. But mark my words, the crown prince will never ever see anything remotely resembling combat ever.
sac
/slightly irreverent
(http://www.sponkit.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/prince-harry3.jpg)
Was he the same prince that dressed up like hitler? I can never keep track.
Quote from: SacDuc on May 07, 2010, 07:57:50 AMBut he's taking a spot away from someone who may actually see combat one day.
I'm not an especially big fan of English royals, but he's seen combat and he has uncles (princes in their own right) who've flown combat missions.
Do you think this means that there will be one less combat helicopter pilot available? I doubt it.
Quote from: mstevens on May 07, 2010, 08:13:33 AM
I'm not an especially big fan of English royals, but he's seen combat and he has uncles (princes in their own right) who've flown combat missions. [citation needed]
Do you think this means that there will be one less combat helicopter pilot available? I doubt it.
No. There won't be a mission flown with one less helicopter because of this. Its just more resources wasted.
I just can't fathom why anyone not in the privileged classes would look up in admiration to someone who was born on third base as though they hit a triple. Why isn't this thread about Pvt. Nobody who worked his way out of public school and an abusive father and still decided to serve selflessly. THAT dude has a hand I would like to shake. The fact that a kid who owes the very food in his mouth to the people who built his country now wants to "give something back" makes my so-make the beast with two backsing-what muscle twitch. He couldn't possibly "give back" enough to the masses that provide his privilege. His death in combat would be a drop in the bucket of what is owed to the generations of families force to "defend the crown." make the beast with two backs royalty.
sac
/remembers when motorcyclists were rugged individualists ;)
Hairy Prince on a motorcycle
(http://vinylcuz.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/prince-purple-rain-motorcycle1.jpg)
Quote from: SacDuc on May 07, 2010, 07:57:50 AM
Princes, particularly those in line for the big crown, are pretty much obligated to join the military. Its so the little people end up saying things like, "I really admire that guy" while they live opulent lives off the backs of people who actually produce things for society. Get some bona fides with the masses so they don't squawk about how useless your family's role on this planet is. Its a good way to keep your head.
And its cute that he want to fly helicopters. But he's taking a spot away from someone who may actually see combat one day. And that sucks. But hey, if the rich kid wants to play soldier for a bit I guess that's better than raping the chamber maids or whatever.
The fact that his handlers manipulated the press adeptly enough to make it look like he really did want to be in the desert doesn't change anything. I guess its even possible that he wasn't in on the manipulation. He may very well think he wants to serve his country where the bullets fly. But mark my words, the crown prince will never ever see anything remotely resembling combat ever.
sac
/slightly irreverent
Are you aware he fought on the frontlines in Afghanistan or does that not count?
the only reason he didn't finish his tour with the tank brigade is because some rag newspaper ratted him out for being there.
So don't give me any BS about him taking a spot, as he was there with his team.
And I am fully aware of British Royals and them joining the military.
It just seems he actually wants to participate for a reason, not just because it is what is expected of him.
He has already shown he wants to participate and serve his country.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on May 07, 2010, 09:07:10 AM
Are you aware he fought on the frontlines in Afghanistan or does that not count? [citation needed]
the only reason he didn't finish his tour with the tank brigade is because some rag newspaper ratted him out for being there.
So don't give me any BS about him taking a spot, as he was there with his team.
And I am fully aware of British Royals and them joining the military.
It just seems he actually wants to participate for a reason, not just because it is what is expected of him.
He has already shown he wants to participate and serve his country.
I've seen nothing to convince me that he was ever "on the front lines" or ever in any actual danger what so ever. You could blame his leaving his post on a rag newspaper. But how would some rag newspaper know where he was? If I was a grandmother worried about my grandson off in some desert somewhere (and my grandson just happened to be the crown prince) would probably have someone from my office let a newspaper know where he was since no doubt he would have to be brought back home to safety if that information was known.
sac
I had no idea Native Americans were able to fly! Is this some sort of medicine man cultural exchange program? Apaches teach Prince Harry the secrets to flying, and some Apache warrior is going to get bangers and mash and a good Guiness?
Quote from: Ghostly Pip on May 07, 2010, 09:28:00 AM
I had no idea Native Americans were able to fly! Is this some sort of medicine man cultural exchange program? Apaches teach Prince Harry the secrets to flying, and some Apache warrior is going to get bangers and mash and a good Guiness?
[laugh]
I just flew in from the reservation . . . and boy are my arms tired!
sac
Quote from: SacDuc on May 07, 2010, 09:25:57 AM
I've seen nothing to convince me that he was ever "on the front lines" or ever in any actual danger what so ever. You could blame his leaving his post on a rag newspaper. But how would some rag newspaper know where he was? If I was a grandmother worried about my grandson off in some desert somewhere (and my grandson just happened to be the crown prince) would probably have someone from my office let a newspaper know where he was since no doubt he would have to be brought back home to safety if that information was known.
sac
You seriously want a citation for something that is common knowledge?
Do you know what an "embedded reporter" is?
I'll do the research for you, but I don't provide enough links for you to believe me, go to the popular website Google:
http://www.google.com (http://www.google.com)
then type in:
"prince harry serving in afghanistan"
I'll save you the trouble.
Will 5 news sources work for you?
1. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/28/entertainment/main3887090.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/28/entertainment/main3887090.shtml)
2. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/world/asia/28iht-royals.4.10543507.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/world/asia/28iht-royals.4.10543507.html)
3. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7269743.stm# (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7269743.stm#)
4. http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Sky-News-Archive/Article/20080641307389 (http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Sky-News-Archive/Article/20080641307389)
5. http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1718068,00.html (http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1718068,00.html)
Do you need more to believe the kid actually fought over there?
He's spent more time in a battle zone then you ever will. And more than me too.
Its obvious you are ignorant on this topic and wish to not believe anything, so it is pretty pointless to continue the conversation with you.
Here's another one.
It is from CNN, so it is easy reading:
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/02/28/prince.afghanistan/index.html (http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/02/28/prince.afghanistan/index.html)
Quote from: cyrus buelton on May 07, 2010, 10:05:42 AM
.
Its obvious you are ignorant on this topic and wish to not believe anything, so it is pretty pointless to continue the conversation with you.
I will grant you that I am fairly ignorant on the topic. But I do wish to learn about it. Let me read the links you provided and get back to you.
sac
Quote from: cyrus buelton on May 07, 2010, 10:05:42 AM
<snip>
I'll do the research for you, but I don't provide enough links for you to believe me, go to the popular website Google:
http://www.google.com (http://www.google.com)
then type in:
"prince harry serving in afghanistan"
I'll save you the trouble.
<snip>
http://tinyurl.com/2um9yoo (http://tinyurl.com/2um9yoo) ;D
Quote from: SacDuc on May 07, 2010, 10:09:23 AM
I will grant you that I am fairly ignorant on the topic. But I do wish to learn about it. Let me read the links you provided and get back to you.
sac
Ah, I just discovered the depths of my ignorance. I had Harry confused with William. Had the names switched in my brain. My bad. I apologize.
I'm still not any more impressed with his service over anyone else. And I still think the idea of a monarchy is absurd.
sac
/gonna get back to reading the articles
Quote from: SacDuc on May 07, 2010, 10:14:14 AM
Ah, I just discovered the depths of my ignorance. I had Harry confused with William. Had the names switched in my brain. My bad. I apologize.
I'm still not any more impressed with his service over anyone else. And I still think the idea of a monarchy is absurd.
sac
/gonna get back to reading the articles
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
I am not anymore impressed with his service then any other soldier. Monarchies, especially England's, is worthless.
I just find it rather cool someone who is royalty actually wants to serve his country in the military.
That's all I was getting at with the posting. He can sit around, get drunk, go bird hunting, do whatever he wants, but he chose a route of a military career and wants to fully serve it like the guys he went through training with.
All the articles are the same.
The British Ministry agreed to deploy him, all soliders with him were sworn to secrecy, as well as all journalist that came in contact with him.
There are a ton of interviews of him while serving in Sand Pit, but I believe the agreement was to hold off releasing them until he was back from his tour.
Of course a US Media Outlet leaked his deployment.
William is not allowed to fight even though I believe he joined the military too. He is too close in line to the "thrown."
Now worthless.........I'll give that to you. I am not sure what he does.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on May 07, 2010, 10:19:02 AM
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
William is not allowed to fight even though I believe he joined the military too. He is too close in line to the "thrown."
Now worthless.........I'll give that to you. I am not sure what he does.
See, I knew this part, that's why I was so comfoozled. I was thinking "This dude ain't even allowed near combat, this is bullshit!" If only there was some way to quickly double check whether I have my facts straight or not. Oh well, I guess I'll just keeping cocking off about every little thing that rouses my ire.
;D
sac
/learned something today
//glad that's over with ;D
Quote from: SacDuc on May 07, 2010, 10:24:46 AMOh well, I guess I'll just keeping cocking off about every little thing that rouses my ire.
;D
sac
Isn't that why the mods keep you around? [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
and yes.........Harry was also the one depicted as a Nazi Solider in some Halloween picture. I at least hope he chose to be Luftwaffe since he is a pilot and all.
//terrible humor right there folks.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on May 07, 2010, 10:37:15 AM
Isn't that why the mods keep you around? [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
I thought it was for my good looks. ???
sac
Quote from: SacDuc on May 07, 2010, 10:38:30 AM
I thought it was for my good looks. ???
sac
If that is the case.
I am kept around because of my charming attitude and non-threadjacking skillz.
Oh yeah........and following rules.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on May 07, 2010, 10:59:19 AM
If that is the case.
I am kept around because of my charming attitude and non-threadjacking skillz.
Oh yeah........and following rules.
[laugh]
Quote from: SacDuc on May 07, 2010, 10:38:30 AM
I thought it was for my good looks. ???
sac
A/S/L??
LOL
Quote from: He Man on May 07, 2010, 11:46:03 AM
A/S/L??
LOL
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
that is so 1993 AOL chatroom lingo
Quote from: SacDuc on May 07, 2010, 09:25:57 AM
I've seen nothing to convince me that he was ever "on the front lines" or ever in any actual danger what so ever.
Spent some time in Afghanistan in combat, to know what the front lines are?
I guess Harry is far enough down the line of succession to risk him serving in the front lines. [roll] I agree with Sac that the royals are worthless, and also agree with Cyrus that it's good to see that a "royal" is risking his ass on the line with the rest of the underclass. 8)
The only reason you guys think the royalty is worthless is because you're not a member.
The Rolling Stones is a much more exclusive club.
Quote from: ducpainter on May 08, 2010, 03:55:35 AM
The only reason you guys think the royalty is worthless is because you're not a member.
The Rolling Stones is a much more exclusive club.
My wife refers to me as royalty all the time.
It's a fantastic feeling to be one of the elite.
Quote from: lethe on May 08, 2010, 03:57:27 AM
My wife refers to me as royalty all the time.
It's a fantastic feeling to be one of the elite.
Calls you her "little" prince?
Quote from: ducpainter on May 08, 2010, 03:58:45 AM
Calls you her "little" prince?
No, royal pain in the ass.
Quote from: SacDuc on May 07, 2010, 07:57:50 AMPrinces, particularly those in line for the big crown, are pretty much obligated to join the military. Its so the little people end up saying things like, "I really admire that guy" while they live opulent lives off the backs of people who actually produce things for society.
Zactly. I admire the French attitude to Royalty [laugh] [thumbsup]
Quote from: ducpainter on May 08, 2010, 03:55:35 AM
The only reason you guys think the royalty is worthless is because you're not a member.
It definitely would be cool to live in a castle; I'm not gonna lie about that.
Oh yeah, and have a nice 1098 and Ducati leathers to ride to my Polo Match.
It is worthless now as they serve no purpose in the government. The Queen has zero authority to do anything.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on May 08, 2010, 05:36:37 AM
It definitely would be cool to live in a castle; I'm not gonna lie about that.
Oh yeah, and have a nice 1098 and Ducati leathers to ride to my Polo Match.
It is worthless now as they serve no purpose in the government. The Queen has zero authority to do anything.
We weren't talking politics.
I think you're just jealous. :-*
Quote from: ducpainter on May 08, 2010, 05:45:16 AM
We weren't talking politics.
I think you're just jealous. :-*
That was no politics!!!
I just said they weren't involved [cheeky]
As I said, yeah, it'd be cool to have a life of unlimited fortune, motorcyles, and late night pub trips.
However, this kid is fighting for his country.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on May 08, 2010, 06:14:19 AM
That was no politics!!!
I just said they weren't involved [cheeky]
As I said, yeah, it'd be cool to have a life of unlimited fortune, motorcyles, and late night pub trips.
However, this kid is fighting for his country.
I know it wasn't.
Personally I'd rather be a member of the Rolling Stones.
It's more exclusive...you have all the money you can spend...and are adored world wide. [thumbsup]
same things happened in the Falklands. Charles couldn't serve, but his brother flew combat missions as a Harrier pilot.
Those in direct line to be king, Charles & William and then whomever he has, cannot serve in direct combat, but they do join the military almost as compulsary service.
To me, the 1-2 year compulsary service should be a part of every society, whether you are a British royal, or a US Senator's child. AND it should be male and female like in Israel. There should be services that are non-combative, like a red-cross or peace corps, and police service should be included as an option.
Quote from: ducpainter on May 08, 2010, 06:16:33 AM
I know it wasn't.
Personally I'd rather be a member of the Rolling Stones.
It's more exclusive...you have all the money you can spend...and are adored world wide. [thumbsup]
They run out of money.....isn't that why those old farts tour every few years?
Quote from: Raux on May 08, 2010, 06:36:47 AM
To me, the 1-2 year compulsary service should be a part of every society, whether you are a British royal, or a US Senator's child. AND it should be male and female like in Israel. There should be services that are non-combative, like a red-cross or peace corps, and police service should be included as an option.
[thumbsup]
Quote from: cyrus buelton on May 08, 2010, 07:11:54 AM
They run out of money.....isn't that why those old farts tour every few years?
[thumbsup]
I figure it's like playing shuffle board...they need something to do.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on May 08, 2010, 06:14:19 AM
As I said, yeah, it'd be cool to have a life of unlimited fortune, motorcyles, and late night pub trips.
And no end of constant scrutiny, photos etc etc etc.
They'll be crucified the first time they screw something up, and everytime after that.
Nate has it right-rather be in the Rolling Stones-no one gives a crap in Mick shags a dozen 20 year olds in a night. The prince? Yeah-no.
Quote from: ducpainter on May 08, 2010, 07:13:59 AM
I figure it's like playing shuffle board...they need something to do.
[laugh] [laugh]
Quote from: MrIncredible on May 08, 2010, 07:41:20 AM
And no end of constant scrutiny, photos etc etc etc.
They'll be crucified the first time they screw something up, and everytime after that.
Just like being a celebrity.
It's hard.
I can't tell you how many papparazzi follow me around, catch me drinking beers, doing shots, smoking crack, etc.
It can be very trying on you.
Quote from: Raux on May 08, 2010, 06:36:47 AM
To me, the 1-2 year compulsary service should be a part of every society, whether you are a British royal, or a US Senator's child. AND it should be male and female like in Israel. There should be services that are non-combative, like a red-cross or peace corps, and police service should be included as an option.
"All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state. " - Benito Mussolini
Didn't Mussolini get murdered by his own people and pretty much mutilated through the streets?
Quote from: ungeheuer on May 08, 2010, 04:13:18 AM
Zactly. I admire the French attitude to Royalty [laugh] [thumbsup]
Why, what do they do... run away from them? ;D
Quote from: cyrus buelton on May 10, 2010, 04:19:36 AM
Didn't Mussolini get murdered by his own people and pretty much mutilated through the streets?
Dragged through the streets and hung from a meat hook in a
public square gas station (ala wiki), if my high school memory's serve me correctly
Quote from: Cicero on May 10, 2010, 05:58:35 PM
Dragged through the streets and hung from a meat hook in a public square gas station (ala wiki), if my high school memory's serve me correctly
Yeah.........the people loved him!!!!!
Quote from: Raux on May 08, 2010, 06:36:47 AM
same things happened in the Falklands. Charles couldn't serve, but his brother flew combat missions as a Harrier pilot.
Prince Andrew flew as a helo co-pilot off Invincible...search and rescue, evac, transport, and everyone's favorite: Exocet decoy!
Quote from: orangelion03 on May 11, 2010, 05:09:52 PM
Prince Andrew flew as a helo co-pilot off Invincible...search and rescue, evac, transport, and everyone's favorite: Exocet decoy!
ahhh, thanks. been so long and i followed it, but not that closely i guess.