Ducati Monster Forum

Ok, after looking at everyone else's dampers for the last 5 or so years, maybe I'll start looking in to getting one.

Now here's what I have to work with:

1) Don't like side mounted ones.
2) I have Clip-ons, and don't want to use or have the stock risers...so most top mounted kits are a no go.

I like the below the triple kit Motowheels has for the older bikes, but don't think it will fit an 02+.

I also wouldn't mind one of those rotary dampers, but can't find that either.

I guess I can try to copy Monstermash's set up, but...

Are there any other options out there?

2005 S2R

if you want a top mount you need to connect it to the triple. no questions asked. How you go about doing that is up to you.

Scotts makes one for the Monster up to 02. Not sure waht changed.

Scotts also makes one for the hyper which i think is quite similar. but not sure if it will fit.

Sidemount seems like your only option. The only reason i wouldnt go for it, is because i dont want it to break if i crash. Thats why i like top mount. undermount is pretty sweet to if you can get the parts. maybe its time to machine some stuff?

I was in the same situation that you are in sadly I never came up with a solution. The rotary kits are different for the Hyper and the Monster. The Hyper uses a bar mount system that comes with the kit which is different from the style that the Monsters uses. You would have to drill holes in your top triple to use it take a look at their install pages to see exactly what I mean. Plus there is a height difference in where the key hole is higher on the Monsters than the Hypers. You would need to have a custom made link arm and mounting system to use that style of stabilizer. I think He Man's style with the Ohlins under mount fit my bill the best for what I was looking for. I can't stand for the thing sitting up top because like you I have clip ons and there is no other use for the stock risers. So till I find a better solution to what I want I have this silly contraption sitting up top might even go without it.

if you were going custom design, maybe you could still use top mount. It would look 10x nicer if you moved the damper foward over the triple instead of between the triple and ignition. THis would allow it to lay lower and more out of the way.

really i think i might end up doing that now that i know how everything works. it really sticks out like a sore thumb. :(

OR, i think i could get the scotts for the older monsters to fit with easier parts.

In 02 the steering stem sized changed as well as the triple clamp's offset. (it went with the frame change from 851/888 based to ST based). The 're-02 monsters also came from the factory with tapered roller bearings in the headstock, while the 02+ models just came with the roller bearings

how about the location for the key? if that disance from the triple remains the same  then all youd need is the proper place to tap some threads on the triple.

just run bunjie cords from your barends to your frame gussets.

this may be helpful to look at:
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=7727 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=7727)

I've actually looked at that many times, and unfortunately those are all side mount, top mount with stock triple, or an under triple that doesn't fit.   :-\

and, TOB sucks.

Why won't an under triple mount work? How much larger is the crossmember of your frame at that spot? or is there something else there?

If you don't want a sidemount or a top mount... why is it that you want a damper again? For looks or for function? You may need to figure that out.

Just kind of seems that you are finding reasons not to put a damper on for aesthetic reasons, when the part is for function, not for looks.

@a m:  Do you have the MW under triple kit?

I'm wondering the same thing.  Motowheels states that the kit is pre-'02.

http://www.motowheels.com (http://www.motowheels.com/italian/myProducts.cfm?parentcategoryid=1204%7CMonster&productID=5412&showDetail=1&categoryID=126|Monster%20Suspension&vendoridtodisplay=0&filterFor=&collection=168%7CEuropean%20Motorcycle%20Parts)

Anybody know?

It is shaped like that because it goes around the regulator, which is right there on those era bikes (I have this damper mount).

I do not have a newer 2v Monster to compare with for frame diameter. I do know they have a silly deflector thing coming off the lower triple that you'd likely have to remove.

@a m : Do you think you can do me a big favor and maybe take a pic of the underside where the damper mounts?

I'll compare it to mine, and take some measurements.

I think an under triple will be the most feasible for what I'm looking for.

oh no! i guess i have to go into the garage again... [:D]

The immobilizers kicked in starting 2002.  If you look at the Scotts damper installation for the 99-01 Monster, they provide a completely machined aluminum ignition key housing which supports the pin that engages the damper arm.  For Monsters '02-on, the key chip sensor antenna is built into the housing, so a Scotts billet aluminum housing wont work.  The Scotts damper also has to be mounted in-line with the steering head axis, and there is extremely little room between the steering head axis and the key housing on a Monster to locate and support a pin.

However I just picked up a Scotts damper cheap, as I want to go this route on my '03 Monster.  I recently went to clip-ons, but stayed with the stock upper triple for now.  I figure I can use the former bar mounts as a base to install a damper, either linear or rotary, and keep it lower profile than what's currently out there.  It's going to take some custom machining & fab work, but I can see a few ways to do it.  Dont hold your breath, it's gonna take a while, but I'll post when I get something going.

Another possibility though, I've been following posts where others are reflashing ECU's which also disables the immobilizer.  If so, I assume then the stock key housing and it's key chip antenna are no longer needed, so the Scott's damper with its aluminum key housing for 99-01 might work.

Jeff

I'd really like one for track days, and before the next track visit, I'll probably go with the side mount.

But...
I know others have done the top mount with clip-ons, but I don't want to f-up my Cycle Cat top triple.  I know my radiator is there, but there might be enough room under the bottom triple for a custom mount.  

For those of you in the know, is the radiator the show stopper for locating a damper under the bottom triple clamp?

I'd need to look at clearance - we've only got an M900 and an S2R 800 in the shop right now. I hear you about the CC top triple. Purse snatcher might be the way to go for you.

The other issue (not really applicable for you but worth mentioning) with under triple clamp damper mounts is the risk of front fender hitting damper under really heavy braking if suspension bottoms out (usually from improperly setup forks)

I looked at my setup again.  There's no way to have a damper under the lower triple with the radiator there.

Other than purse-snatcher, you are out of luck with the CC triple I believe.

Couldn't you use the S4 damper kit!?!?!  Should use the same bolts as your cyclecat adaptors to install.

(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff176/MonstermashS2R/NewMonsterMods001-1.jpg)

 [popcorn]

Does that involve drilling into the Cycle Cat triple?  I'm certainly not drilling the triple for one or two track days per year.

I should just get a track bike.

would you take the damper off when your not on the track?

Shouldn't.  It was bolt on for the s4, and don't you have the s4 cycle cat top triple!?!?

http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=rn8gr9k37k9b3k7rslqu4gucu4&topic=1984.msg105775#msg105775 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=rn8gr9k37k9b3k7rslqu4gucu4&topic=1984.msg105775#msg105775)

The CycleCat S4 and S4R triples are different, I believe.  I have the DBR34 (?), but it looks like the clamp for the damper uses the threaded hole for my riser clamps, so it might work.
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d147/pompino/DSCN2363-1.jpg)

That said, since I'd remove it when I'm not on the track, I'd probably just go with the purse snatcher.

Just found this reply from Monstermash in the thread cited above:

" I had to drill and tap holes for the mount. No worries, you can use this triple without the damper. Well if you can find one that is.  bang head"

So he did have to mod the Cycle Cat triple.

He used the S4 damper kit on a non-S4 triple clamp, so he HAD to drill.

Your triple clamp IS the S4 style triple clamp.   [thumbsup]

Here is an installation of a Scott radial damper mounted on a stock top triple clamp with Swatt clip-on bars,
A fellow rider in the area had developed this mounting and we had the pieces fabricated then slightly modified to fully conceal the 'pin' bracket inside the key/ immobilizer shroud.
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm59/dinenoj/ducati%20and%202002/Bikes/DSC_0705.jpg)(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm59/dinenoj/ducati%20and%202002/Bikes/DSC_0714.jpg)

i was out ;last night and had to lift my tank. you cant lift ur tank without removing the damper. -1 for bitubo. that damper loks awesome is it a oil or gas type?

Maybe, but now I don't think the damper would clear my risers.   [roll]   [laugh]

LOL, yeah, and then there's that.   [laugh]

Nice.

Which kit did you start off with, and what else needed to be modded or made?

No kit available. I purchased the damper, a +5 flat link arm and a 34mm pivot pin.
An aluminum fixture was water jet cut to fit mostly inside and below the key housing then shaped to match the shroud. Some of the base of the plastic shroud had to be cut off to accept the fixture. The two threaded pins were removed and replaced with the fabricated part and some spacers to make solid contact so the two new bolts could be torques down. The pivot pin (from Scott) was placed into another boring with very close tolerances to accept the pin and with some grease.  Another fabricated aluminum part was jet cutted to hold the damper off the link arm and to center it about the steering stem. Works great and out of the way.

is he going to make more of them?

Ive wanted that setup since I got my bike.

Interesting...pretty close to a monster set up:
(http://www.gprstabilizer.com/images/shopping/big/5011-4033.jpg)

And for the 696/1100: http://www.gprstabilizer.com/app_29_ducati_monsters (http://www.gprstabilizer.com/app_29_ducati_monsters)