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Title: NCR M16...merged
Post by: Uncle Mofo on May 31, 2010, 10:26:03 AM
Since 1967, NCR has built very exclusive performance motorcycles. At NCR, we strive to offer the highest technology with unmatched quality for all our customers. Every motorcycle is hand built with the greatest attention to detail.


Nowhere will you find such a passionate pursuit to use the very best material and technology available today to build the very best performance parts and motorcycles.


NCR continues this trend with its latest introduction of a truly exclusive and technologically advanced Ippoliti Designed  NCR Millona 16 or simply the NCR M16:



Starting with a Ducati DD16RR, the NCR M16 utilizes the latest carbon fiber and titanium to create a clean and flowing design with functionality as its main criteria. We can see the family evolution of the NCR Millona One Shot air cooled motorcycle in the lines of the new NCR M16. The NCR tradition of unmatched power to weight ration continues to be the main driving force in the design and development.


Upon closer inspection, you will note that this is no ordinary motorcycle. It was conceived from the start to be the most exclusive motorcycle in the world by using the strongest and lightest material in the world. By carefully developing every single component to be as light and strong as possible while achieving the very best performance. WIthout gas, the NCR M16 achieves an incredible weight of 145 kg (319 lbs). Since there are no rules to follow, the weight is actually lighter than the imposed minimum weight of a MotoGP motorcycle!


To achieve this weight, NCR designed and developed its own carbon fiber frame while improving the air intake system by allowing an unobstructed flow of air through the steering head. Again with the goal of achieving the lightest weight and the strongest performance, NCR developed a new swingarm in carbon fiber as well. The fuel tank, faring, subframe/tail, fender, front faring stay are all carbon as well.
Even the NCR wheels are been projected and manufactured in carbon fiber.


All mechanical parts are either titanium or avionic grade aluminum with material grades derived from Formula 1. This is of course in the NCR tradition.


The motor develops over 200 horsepower at the rear wheel. WIth the latest generation MotoGP suspension in front and rear, the racing heritage continues. Also the brakes are from the highest racing application.


The NCR M16 uses its own electronics derived from racing with full traction control, data collection and recording, 3 user selectable maps, as well as constant fuel remapping based on environment and gas conditions.


NCR M16: 145 Kg (319 lbs) and 200+ Rear Wheel Horsepower


We invite you to World Ducati Week 2010 to see this work of art! The official press launch of the NCR M16 will be at 10AM on Thursday June 10th at the NCR booth in the Misano Paddock. See you soon!


Please don't hesitate to contact us if you need more info. We also invite you to check online, www.ncrfactory.com (http://), the introduction of this incredible bike!

(http://www.hoosierhooligans.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3390.0;attach=570;image)


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: RichD on May 31, 2010, 11:07:39 AM
*poof*


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: lwszabo on May 31, 2010, 11:13:56 AM
 [popcorn]


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: stopintime on May 31, 2010, 11:14:19 AM
OMG  :o

That'll be my next commuter [thumbsup]


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: geoffduc on May 31, 2010, 11:27:31 AM
Well guys I bet its on show at misano on the NCR stand... [thumbsup]

 [coffee]


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: Uncle Mofo on May 31, 2010, 11:29:08 AM
Well guys I bet its on show at misano on the NCR stand... [thumbsup]

 [coffee]
Will be unveiled at WDW  [popcorn]


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: muskrat on May 31, 2010, 01:44:57 PM
 [drool]


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: superjohn on May 31, 2010, 01:55:19 PM
Amazing. Just amazing.  [thumbsup]



Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: ducpainter on May 31, 2010, 02:06:02 PM
I bet they want only $247,000,984.63 for it   [roll]
exactly...

take something that is already out of the reach of most people...

and make it out of the reach of more people.

woo hoo.

[did they make it any 'better' for all the extra money?]


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: pennyrobber on May 31, 2010, 03:41:12 PM
 [drool]

^^^^^ I just got to use this.


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: TAftonomos on May 31, 2010, 04:50:31 PM
exactly...

take something that is already out of the reach of most people...

and make it out of the reach of more people.

woo hoo.

[did they make it any 'better' for all the extra money?]

Nah, but they can market the shit outta stuff!


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: DoubleEagle on May 31, 2010, 05:06:23 PM
I'll say $150,000.

Dolph      :)


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: jim_0068 on May 31, 2010, 05:49:02 PM
I'll say $150,000.

Dolph      :)

way off (no offense). they charged over 140k to build their version of the hyper http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=38702.0;topicseen (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=38702.0;topicseen)

I'm going between 250k-350k


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: BellissiMoto on May 31, 2010, 08:29:01 PM
I think it's awesome they are pushing the envelope this far.

Sure, neither I, nor most of you will be able to afford one (but isn't that kinda the point), but there are plenty of rich people (not tom cruise) who still, really, really do appreciate what goes into these bikes, and don't forget the trickle down theory...


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: sbrguy on June 01, 2010, 02:34:14 AM
if you look at it this way, the bike really isn't being lightened too much from where it is at already, they are saying 316 isn't the thing around 360 from the factory, it already has carbon bodywork and ti connecting rods and such, etc.

i see they are doing their thing with it to make it "bespoke" so to speak but i don't see it costing anymore than an extra 100k dollars over the price of a normal d16 afterall they took the hyper and asking 140 for a bike that is only 18k to begin with.

besides with the new bikes coming out the d16 is almost now not that great, it was great for its time, 3 years ago, but now even modded bmw 1000rr and aprilias sound like they can be better around the track for a fraction of a cost of a stock d16..
interesting no doubt ncr will do their thing, and will sell a few probably to some very very well healed folks.


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: cyrus buelton on June 01, 2010, 04:47:37 AM
Eh, I really don't care too much. Like ducpainter said.


However, sort of contradicting myself as I am taking my 2004 S4r and dumping a lot of money into it so it is different. A lot different.


Not many morons out there buy a carbon fibre swing arm, have their motor pulled to get new cases put on, along with blueprinted cams.

So yeah........I am throwing money down the drain on a bike to be different as well.


Just not as much money as that bike will cost.........


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: mattc7 on June 01, 2010, 04:49:12 AM
NCR isn't one to reuse bodywork, rods, etc.

They tend to make their own products for these needs. Bodywork is almost always thinner and more aero-efficient (such as their 848 kit), and I wouldn't be surprised if they went all out on the motor and exahust.

1/4 million sounds about right


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: cyrus buelton on June 01, 2010, 04:52:13 AM
But the big question.............


will the 1098r still outperform it?


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: RetroSBK on June 01, 2010, 05:45:58 AM
They claim 316, which is over 100 lbs lighter than a stock bike... crazy.. the real D16 is on the scales is about 440 and makes between 160 and 170 at the tire...  have dyno'd 5 of them.

Nice bike for the size five shoe mafia.. tragic that a CBR1000 will smoke it on pretty much any track in the US, and crush it on the street, but thats NOT what its about... Its about riding a real motoGP bike, and 5 years ago, that WAS a motogp bike, so in that regard, its amazing...

The NCR bike may well be the ultimate, ultimate bike. Just because you (me too)  cant afford it doesnt mean that it isnt worth the time and materials they put into it. They are among the best in the world at building and tuning, and look around, their stuff rocks!


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: gOoIe B on June 01, 2010, 06:22:56 AM
But the big question.............


will the 1098r still outperform it?

did the 1098r ever outperform the desmosedici??  and in what way?


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: cyrus buelton on June 01, 2010, 07:08:13 AM
did the 1098r ever outperform the desmosedici??  and in what way?

The answer is yes, but I don't recall the specifics.

I believe it performed better on the track and probably the street.


I vaguely remember it having more HP at the wheel than the D16


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: Popeye the Sailor on June 01, 2010, 07:42:11 AM
Meh, I'd just buy like, 15 S1000RR's for the same price and rent a track for me and some buddies.  [moto]


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: cyrus buelton on June 01, 2010, 08:05:31 AM
I am I invited?  :-*


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: Popeye the Sailor on June 01, 2010, 08:08:22 AM
I am I invited?  :-*

Sure.


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: cyrus buelton on June 01, 2010, 08:16:10 AM
Sure.

Only 14 would remain because odds are I'd bin the bike.

I really only ride to and from Starbucks on my bike.


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: CDawg on June 01, 2010, 08:30:57 AM
Instant wood!


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: Grappa on June 01, 2010, 09:34:21 AM
But the big question.............


will the 1098r still outperform it?


Ducati Desmosedici vs. 1098R (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zbZSb55vh4#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)


You can fast forward to 4:00 for the sum up.  Seems not much difference in performance.


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: Veloce-Fino on June 01, 2010, 09:42:38 AM

Ducati Desmosedici vs. 1098R (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zbZSb55vh4#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)


You can fast forward to 4:00 for the sum up.  Seems not much difference in performance.

Awesome video


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: hadesducati848 on June 01, 2010, 10:01:08 AM
Awesome video

yes it was, but i would like to see the same bikes with maybe stoner and bayliss riding them.


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: zooom on June 01, 2010, 10:21:02 AM
Meh, I'd just buy like, 15 S1000RR's for the same price and rent a track for me and some buddies.  [moto]

then you'de look like Keith Code back when he dumped Kawi to get a bunch of Beemers before letting a class of students go at em....


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: richard on June 01, 2010, 11:14:34 AM
Well guys I bet its on show at misano on the NCR stand... [thumbsup]

 [coffee]
Hi geoff. Please take some pictures of it then post it when you come back.  That'll be really interesting. Thanks.


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: NorDog on June 01, 2010, 02:53:58 PM
"To achieve this weight, NCR designed and developed its own carbon fiber frame while improving the air intake system by allowing an unobstructed flow of air through the steering head."

Didn't Shervin do that already?


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: Howie on June 01, 2010, 04:01:47 PM
"To achieve this weight, NCR designed and developed its own carbon fiber frame while improving the air intake system by allowing an unobstructed flow of air through the steering head."

Didn't Shervin do that already?

Shervin is the answer to building the ultimate Kawasaki, NCR is the answer to building the ultimate Ducati :P


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: sbrguy on June 01, 2010, 04:45:04 PM
yeap but NCR does not do the Shervin of putting "lightening holes" in the license plate.


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: brix821 on June 01, 2010, 05:54:05 PM
I would also imagine that the entire staff of ncr has less body hair than shervin


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: muskrat on June 01, 2010, 07:20:16 PM
if only it could be like the new Beemer, in price that is.  [coffee]  never thought I'd say that one.

I do love me some Ducati and am brand loyal (seriously all my shirts and shit too) but I have yet to see my need for an exotic bike with on par performance with most off the lot bikes.  I hope this baby screams and eats children.  Can't wait.

the above said, if I had 50K plus I'd be looking for a Cedici.  I get hard hearing it run.  :-[


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: Popeye the Sailor on June 02, 2010, 06:31:22 AM
I would also imagine that the entire staff of ncr has less body hair than shervin

I am frightened why you're imagining this.


Title: NCR M16
Post by: Turf on June 10, 2010, 12:28:27 AM
(http://hellforleathermagazine.com/galleries/assets_c/2010/06/ncr-millona16_3-thumb-415x276-8854.jpg)

Take one Ducati Desmosedici RR, replace the fairing, tank, frame, swingarm, subframe, tailpiece, fender and wheels (and paddock stand!) with extra lightweight, extra swoopy carbon fiber and you're only about half way to creating the NCR Millona 16. The bike is also upgraded with SBK-spec Ohlins FGR000 forks, ceramic brake discs, a full titanium in-seat exhaust system, a lightened gearbox and full on-board telemetry (including suspension), traction control and programmable engine maps. The end result? Dry weight is reduced by 71lbs to 319lbs (145kg), power is up over 200hp at the back wheel. Also gone is the Desmosedici's ugly, replaced instead with purpose and mechanical function. If you have to ask (and you do have to ask, price on request) you can't afford it.
http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2010/06/ncr-millona-16-like-a-desmosed.html (http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2010/06/ncr-millona-16-like-a-desmosed.html)


Title: Re: NCR M16
Post by: Speedbag on June 10, 2010, 01:20:19 AM
derby

http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=38991.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=38991.0)

 ;D


Title: Re: NCR M16
Post by: Turf on June 10, 2010, 01:46:53 AM
derby

http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=38991.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=38991.0)

 ;D

no pics in that thread so i get partial credit

also never posting while drunk...two derbys in 3 hours


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: DucatiTorrey on June 10, 2010, 04:12:32 AM
some pics
(http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/268476/images/01.jpg)
(http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/268476/images/02.jpg)
(http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/268476/images/03.jpg)
(http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/268476/images/04.jpg)
(http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/268476/images/05.jpg)
(http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/268476/images/06.jpg)
(http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/268476/images/07.jpg)
(http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/268476/images/10.jpg)
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/New-bikes/2010/june/jun1010-ncr-worlds-most-exclusive-bike/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/New-bikes/2010/june/jun1010-ncr-worlds-most-exclusive-bike/)


Title: Re: NCR M16
Post by: Grampa on June 10, 2010, 04:32:39 AM
for that kind of money..... I want matching grips

(http://hellforleathermagazine.com/galleries/assets_c/2010/06/ncr-millona16_6-thumb-415x276-8844.jpg)


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: hackers2r on June 10, 2010, 04:47:58 AM
Anyone know what grips those are?  My bike could use a set.


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: Triple J on June 10, 2010, 05:46:32 AM
They claim 316, which is over 100 lbs lighter than a stock bike... crazy.. the real D16 is on the scales is about 440 and makes between 160 and 170 at the tire...  have dyno'd 5 of them.

Nice bike for the size five shoe mafia.. tragic that a CBR1000 will smoke it on pretty much any track in the US, and crush it on the street, but thats NOT what its about... Its about riding a real motoGP bike, and 5 years ago, that WAS a motogp bike, so in that regard, its amazing...

The NCR bike may well be the ultimate, ultimate bike. Just because you (me too)  cant afford it doesnt mean that it isnt worth the time and materials they put into it. They are among the best in the world at building and tuning, and look around, their stuff rocks!

+1

...and the pictures of it are fekkin' awesome!!!  [bow_down] [bow_down]

and to everyone saying a 1098R, CBR1000, etc will beat it on the street...of course it will, the D16 is a race bike. It was never intended to be ridden on the street! Like Retro said above...it's also 5 years behind the bikes it's being compared to on the track.


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: NorDog on June 10, 2010, 06:08:30 AM
I love the Shell Oil sticker under the sight glass.


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: fastwin on June 10, 2010, 06:29:11 AM
I'm worried about small tank capacity and range and where does the hard luggage go? And no centerstand? For that price? Jeez! [laugh]


Title: Re: NCR M16
Post by: MadDuck on June 10, 2010, 06:51:38 AM
(http://hellforleathermagazine.com/galleries/assets_c/2010/06/ncr-millona16_3-thumb-415x276-8854.jpg)

 Also gone is the Desmosedici's ugly, replaced instead with purpose and mechanical function.
 
http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2010/06/ncr-millona-16-like-a-desmosed.html (http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2010/06/ncr-millona-16-like-a-desmosed.html)


I, for one, never ever thought the Desmosedici was even close to ugly.  This rendition may have "purpose and mechanical function" (as though the original doesn't?) but it's not nearly as good looking.


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: pennyrobber on June 10, 2010, 07:01:08 AM
That thing is very nice.


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: hadesducati848 on June 10, 2010, 08:18:28 AM
I love the exhaust on it, but i wonder how loud it is? better yet i wonder how that would look on my 848?


Title: Re: NCR M16
Post by: Cider on June 10, 2010, 09:05:48 AM
I, for one, never ever thought the Desmosedici was even close to ugly.  This rendition may have "purpose and mechanical function" (as though the original doesn't?) but it's not nearly as good looking.

+1

It's so expensive that they won't tell us the price, but it doesn't come with lowers?  Cool, but not pretty, IMO.


Title: Re: NCR M16
Post by: ryandalling on June 10, 2010, 09:16:57 AM
I say... put white 848 fairings on it... and make it a sleeper out there.... then when it blows your pants off....  [thumbsup]


Title: Re: NCR M16
Post by: junior varsity on June 10, 2010, 09:38:00 AM
i'd rather have a 999RS, after seeing Nash's (err... Toseland's  :D), the D16rr is almost *too* commercial. I don't expect the M16 to be substantially different, though more exotic.


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: IdZer0 on June 10, 2010, 09:52:02 AM
I wonder at which temp it runs with only half the radiator surface of a normal D16.


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: sbrguy on June 10, 2010, 10:58:27 AM
just reread the posting, i can't believe they are going with a half fairing, that looks awful   [bang]

talk about royally screwing up a nice design, so in order to get the bike lighter they just cut off half the fairing? that is stupid.  what are they now taking design advisce from shervin?

although the exhaust and tail section are a good upgrade.

yes i know they did more than a half fairing but its a "race bike" i understand them wanting to show off their handiwork, but i thought they might redo some of the full fairing so make it more theirs, much like bimota does with their bikes, they still make fully faired bikes and manage to show off their handiwork.


Title: Re: NCR M16
Post by: Speedbag on June 10, 2010, 11:37:21 AM
for that kind of money..... I want matching grips

(http://hellforleathermagazine.com/galleries/assets_c/2010/06/ncr-millona16_6-thumb-415x276-8844.jpg)

It's part of the extreme exclusivity.


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: Triple J on June 10, 2010, 11:48:50 AM

talk about royally screwing up a nice design, so in order to get the bike lighter they just cut off half the fairing? that is stupid.  what are they now taking design advisce from shervin?


 [laugh] They did a bit more than that. Removing the bottom fairing saved them a few pounds at most. My guess is they did it because that is their style...most (maybe all) of their faired bikes are only half-faired.


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: muskrat on June 10, 2010, 12:02:13 PM
I'm digging everything but the half fairing.


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: 1KDS on June 10, 2010, 01:11:31 PM
I love the half fairing, show that motor off


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: hadesducati848 on June 10, 2010, 01:18:28 PM
I love the half fairing, show that motor off

i kind of agree with that... the thing is a beauty so flaunt it. or go full naked ;-)


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: Statler on June 10, 2010, 01:22:42 PM
I love the half fairing.  gorgeous bike.


Title: Re: NCR M16
Post by: TAftonomos on June 10, 2010, 01:27:03 PM
How about some sort of ferrious-material (or non) reservoir lids?


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: DesmoDiva on June 10, 2010, 05:02:28 PM
 [drool] [drool]

Really diggin' the matte finish on the CF. 


Title: Re: NCR take on the Desmosedici
Post by: IZ on June 10, 2010, 07:19:34 PM
 :o

Wasn't expecting that!!  Love it!!   [thumbsup]


Title: Re: NCR M16
Post by: DoubleEagle on June 10, 2010, 07:29:11 PM
I'm don't think the sum of the parts equals a greater product for the $$$$$$ .

Dolph      :)



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