Ducati Monster Forum

Not sure of the etiquette surrounding asking questions like this, so let me know if it's kind of out of line.
Would anyone be able to tell me if this is a decent price for this bike, and what I would want to know about it if I was a potential buyer (which I might be)?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110538095555&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:AU:1123 (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110538095555&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:AU:1123)

Regards,
Tim

Hi Tim,

To give you a comparison I bought a 2006 Monster S2R 1000 July 09 (last year - stating the obvious probably) for $14500.  It had the full termis on like on this book, came with log book, been serviced, receipts for exhaust and other things (modded air box, DP ECU).  Most importantly it came with 3 keys, the two for riding and the other for maintenance.  Plus with the manuals there was the security card pin for the immobiliser.  The bike only had 4500km on it too.  Considering this is an 2008 bike if you picked it up for say $14500 I would think it would be a good buy (others may and will argue).  If the person was taking offers around the $12000 mark then it would be very good value.  As long as it has had its servicing then it should be ok.  If you wanted a proper mechanical appraisal either contact the shop where it was bought/serviced, or get some reputable bike shop to inspect it (that will cost you additional $$$).  The only other area of concern would be the noise of the exhaust.  When I took mine through identity check (roadworthy not needed in SA - yet) the inspector advised that I may get pulled over as the bike was a bit loud in his opinion.  My saving grace was that my bike came with original "udder" - catalytic converter.  If I got pulled over I would just put that back on (maybe stuffed with a bit of steel wool) to get it back through roadworthy inspection.

Other than that a beautiful engine, grunts happily away.  The dry clutch is great, and it pulls up very nicely!  [moto]

Hope this is of some help to you!  [thumbsup]

Ask away

Hi was just on eBay my self looking for Monster stuff and was looking at that as well, not to buy but just [drool].
A few S2r monsters on eBay at the moment.

To me looks very clean low klm and unmolested.
Ready for you to get your grubby hands on and go beserk with bling.

The price looks good from what i have seen over the past 12 months.
All you can really do is target a certain model you want and check bikesales.com and eBay and get an average  price for what s going at the time. key words, (whats for sale when you want to buy.)
as you will inevitably see some thing better a week after you buy something :-\

Thanks a lot for your responses :)
The reason why I am slightly hesitant lies in the fact that I won't come off my restrictions until November. I'm unsure as to whether a good deal warrants an early buy, and if it is in fact a good deal.

Also, there is the big issue that I can't really test ride :/

Not what you would call a good deal but an average price.
12 Months ago 16k would have been the average.

For the bike, there would not likely be any mechanical issues, with those klm's. they are an awsome bike.

It is only if you are happy with the way it rides and not being able to test ride one  sucks.
 
But Hey i don't care how mine rides it's all in the Ducati Exhaust note music to my ears [bow_down] [drool].

If indeed the owner wants the top money at $14.5 then it's possibly not a top deal.
However if it goes for $12.5 then it might well be worth the money. I'm not sure how many good Monsters
there are out there for sale, I know Spider took quite some time to find his.
 

Personally, I think it's worthwhile to pay a little more to get one that's been looked after rather buy a cheaper one and then spend money to fit, paint or replace parts afterwards. Ultimately, as long as you're happy with the bike and its price, then that's all that matters. And, try to get all the original parts that were taken off the bike eg exhaust system and whatever else.

Are you implying that this one is a cheaper one that might cost more in the long run?
The guy said its been serviced twice, once in 2007 and again in 2009. I'm assuming it might be due for another soon. The rear tyre and brake pads have just been replaced for roadworthy, as well as the stock cans being put back on. He is also unsure whether it still has the stock ECU or not.

I'm not 100% sure if I care if it rides perfectly for me, because I have a craving for a Ducati, its looks and its sounds. I'm sure parts can be adjusted to suit the rider (eg. rearsets, clipons/risers, etc). But still, the inability to test ride is worrying lol. And the fact that I'm going to have to stare at it for months in the garage, only taking it out on occasion to keep it running...

haha for that reason I stopped looking!! but I love my bike even though I took the risk of purchasing it outright without riding it or viewing it I do not regret it - I lucked out in a big way!  [thumbsup]  I didnt ride it until two weeks later! [cheeky]

Timmy work out what you want first - my agenda was simple - 4 criteria
1. Ducati
2. Monster
3. Dry Clutch
4. Exhaust

I looked at 900, 1000, S4, S4R, S2R, but feel in love with S2R/S4R for the single sided swing arm! I spent a couple of months.  You can purchase now, or be patient and purchase when you are off your restrictions - there will always be Monsters around!!  [laugh]

check whether the belts have been changed - they are meant to be changed every 2 years (or 4 depending on who you listen to for 2 valve) so that may be an immediate expense item...

cheers

 [thumbsup]

Essentially, I think my criteria are the same as yours. And I have been looking at S2R's for the last 6+ months (why? because I enjoy procrastinating during times when I should be studying or writing essays). There has never been that many S2R1000's around when I look.

S4R's are probably out of my student budget however, and I've heard that they are quite a 'monster' of a bike so it might be a bit much coming from a 250.

Not at all. It was a general comment. If you've been looking for +6 months, you should have a fair idea of what to pay.

In relation to this bike on ebay, if it was purchased new in Sept 09, there's still another 15 months of factory warranty.

Also don't forget to do a REVs check to make sure there's outstanding finance on the bike you ultimately buy. I think REVs only covers a couple of states. The others have there own register of encumbered vehicles.

I bought my first monster 4 months before I got my full licence. I didn't do any test rides whatsoever. I knew that was what I wanted.  ;D

I'm still unsure about prices are there aren't all that many monsters in comparison with other bikes. Also, this guy is the second owner. I questioned him about warranty and apparently it doesn't have any left.
Did you ride your bike before you got your full license? I'm not sure if I want to risk the points and possible loss of license cause it will put my career on hold lol.

haha I am sure MattyVas and a few others will argue the point.  Main thing is buy a bike that you feel comfortable with - dont go confusing ambitions with capabilities!  I have ridden some recent Jap bikes and they scared the pants off me - just too easy to get in to the no no zone!  Whereas I love the rumble of the Ducati, the power delivery, engine braking (big fan of it), and the ease to ride.


I think you have answered your own question there - don't ride it until you are fully licensed too - not only will it be a possible loss of licence but I dare say a fine that may also put you in the unfortunate predicament of selling the bike!

Good Luck!  Dont hesitate to ask questions here - lots of folk far more knowledgeable than me.  I say the only dumb question is one not ask!!  [moto] [thumbsup] [thumbsup]

No.


Well said Mr.S2R  [thumbsup]

Add says to "Call Mark or Julie" HMMM SUSPICIOUS. How many Mark and Julie Ducati owning couples can there be in this country?




Nah. I reckon it's hard to judge anything from the internetz. Nothing beats checking  it out in real life. but if I was after a s2r1000 right now, I'd check it out.



or you can buy my s2r800 for 14K and I'll check it out because I really want a 1000 because my shocks are sux.  OMG I CAN MAKE FONTSIZE 1!!!

Definitely sounds dodgy [laugh]

Maybe we should contact them and say we will buy it using Paypal for more than they want, etc, etc ... and sign it of Mark & Julie (hehehe ... I just types Jukie)

have a wait mate, I'm sure I can arrange a test ride of a S2r for you.

No man is ever going to be able to keep a bike for six months without riding it, so it would be dangerous for your license to buy it despite your obvious maturity and resposible attitude!

Mate, I'll test ride it for you  [thumbsup]






                                                            Mmick

Ummm, is an s2r 1000 even suitable as a second bike?  Especially for someone just coming off their P's?

I did ~ five years on a 250 before upgrading to my 695, with heaps of commuting etc.  When bike shopping I had a test ride of a trumpy speed triple (1100cc), and had trouble keeping the front wheel on the ground.  I chose the 695 because it was a reasonable step up in performance from the 250.

I can't afford to take steps, really. I'd prefer to buy the bike that I actually want. I guess I'll gonna have to stop thinking about new bikes and just bide my time :P

any bike will get you in to trouble - I think it is more dangerous coming off P's and jumping on a modern 600 then a S2R1000.  It is all about power delivery and understanding your capabilities to control it.  As stated before I chose a S2R1000 as it suited my style of riding - have ridden a couple of recent 600's and just too easy to do naughty stuff.  At least with the Ducati - be it a 695 or 1000, a two or four valve - you get what I call sense of speed.  You listen to the motor and once you are familiar you can feel the 'sweet spot' and know your speed without looking too much at your speedo.

My advice Timmy is to wait a bit longer - like I said there will always be Monsters around - and a 695, 900, or 1000 will give you just as much fun! [thumbsup] [moto]

A big bike is not an issue in the right hands. If you had problems keeping the front wheel on the ground of a speed triple (without meaning to do it) or in deed any big bike, it means you have not developed proper throttle control.

I did just fine getting onto a VTR1000 after 8yrs off a bike of which i might have done 1,000km riding prior to that. My wife went from an RS125 to a CBR1000 without any dramas. It comes down to natural co-ordination and ability, the same as anything athletically related. Some people have it, some don't. My 16yr old brother in law could hop on my S4R and ride it better on his first go than most owners can after years of ownership.

Hopefully the OP has natural ability lol!
The Ducati twins have a wicked snatchy throttle so throttle control is absolutely vital!!!

Well that's sort of my point.  250's don't teach throttle control, at all.  My old across was incredibly forgiving - you could just wind at the throttle all you liked.  My 695 is much more responsive to the throttle, but without being really hard, so has taught me lots.  Hence it being (IMHO of course) a perfect second bike.

Indeed my problem might have been too much familiarity with a high-revving, zero torque 250.  I hopped on a much torquier bike and found it too much of a handful.

the best way to learn throttle control is by practice. I went from a 250 (for 2 months..... mature learner rider  [puke]) to my M900ie. ditto comments from Mr.S2R's comments.

It was a bitter shock going to the S4RS than the V2. The V4 explodes when you twist the throttle just a fraction. With the V2 you know your twisting it at least.

There's nothing like launching the front wheel of the ground unexpectedly to learn what not to do next time :o :o





Craigo, gotta lov that small font! a very generous offer if you ask me

Maybe. Many L's and P's do the same thing and a few young blokes in the office have told me about the front wheel coming up on their first ride of a big bike. Probably more adrenaline than anything? Never happened to me though. If you can ride slow in traffic, you can ride slow on any bike no matter the size because you treat the throttle with the same respect IMO [moto] 

Dannog - Agree. The S4R is the snatchiest throttled bike i've ever ridden. If ever there is a bike to get the front wheel up in a blink of an eye it's this one!

It is an interesting debate and I think everybody has valid points ... just slightly varying perspectives. From what I have seen (but I don't specifically go looking at these things) the cost of S2R 1000s are finally starting to come down a little - so its not all bad if you put yourself in a holding pattern.

Its not just a coordination thing or experience or bravado ... it is a combination of things. But I think the biggest influence of whether you are 'asking for it' though is common sense ... or a different way of looking at it - FEAR. If you are concerned about going too fast, braking too late, dropping your new baby, etc, etc ... you are less likely to put yourself in a situation to bring you unstuck.

As for me: my Monster was my first bike ... although I had ridden the Boss' bikes beforehand. I also considered the Speed Triple (but they hadn't actually arrived in the country at the time). Looking at the figures (power, engine capacity, etc) I decided it was more than likely too much bike for me and what I intended to use it for. My little 800 is a great bike for the street (I reckon) and I actually find it more forgiving than Jukie's 620 despite it (apparently) having a little more power - the gearing is different, has an extra gear, the APTC (clutch) and it doesn't have shorty open pipes.

When I rode the 1100 it didn't actually feel that different (although getting to 200 was probably a bit easier [roll] ... hey when in Rome :-[) but I have always attributed this to my laid back riding style. The 4V motor on the otherhand is a different thing entirely ... but that wasn't the topic of discussion until testosterone took over [laugh]

haha I remember a bumper sticker on the back of an alleged 'street' HK Monaro (you know the type, big wheels, shiny paint job, engine louder than a methanol drag car) and it said "If you have NO FEAR - you're not going fast enough!"  It was a payout of the NO FEAR stickers at the time...

back to Betty's and everyone else's it is all about attitude, and how you handle yourself.  If you can keep your head, ride to your style, not Valentino wannabe on the R1 next to you, any bike can be the right bike for you.  Another basic rule I live by is make sure you can lift the bike up if it is on its' side - hopefully that never happens to you.

Betty the 800S2R  is a good choice for first bike - I looked at those with very careful consideration, nearly purchased from Melbourne before losing my head a little and getting an S2R1000.

Oh and TimmyC my riding experience thus far, in order: Honda CM185 (learner), Ducati Pantah 500, Yamaha RZ350, Ducati Pantah 650, then finally my Monster S2R1000.  This is over (cough) a span of 15 years.  Oh almost forgot my latest purchase - a Honda CB 125N!!  [moto]

Good luck with your future purchase!  [thumbsup]

Well, with any luck I'll at least be posting pics in 6 months time of some kind of monster  [laugh]

looking forward to seeing it TimmyC - you never know you might even get a second hand Monster 1100 at that price...... [coffee] ;D ;D