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Discussion about rossi's replacement might as well have it's own thread

http://www.motomatters.com/opinion/2010/06/10/rossi_s_replacement_and_the_rookie_rule.html (http://www.motomatters.com/opinion/2010/06/10/rossi_s_replacement_and_the_rookie_rule.html)

The artile says that the rookie rule likely won't apply because of "exceptional circumstances."  It also says that there won't be a replacement for the next two rounds, partly as a money-saver, partly out of respect to Rossi, and partly so that they can figure out who his replacement should be. 

I say that King Kenny himself should come out of retirement and ride dat beeeyotch old skool style!

Well, that's the best idea I've heard yet.  [laugh]

Gibernau would be a good choice as well.

I guess y'all missed this;

http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/toseland-favourite-for-rossi-motogp-ride/11926.html (http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/toseland-favourite-for-rossi-motogp-ride/11926.html)

I'm pretty sure Yamaha doesn't want to replace Rossi at all, but according to the Dorna contract they have to. Think of the money they could save.

The article I posted makes a good point about Toseland.  Six rounds in six weeks, and switching back and forth between different tire brands each weekend?  That'll screw up both his MotoGP riding and his chances in WSBK.  He'll highside one of those bikes in that period.  I guess there is the same concern if Spies or Toseland moves up and Crutchlow and/or Toseland takes the Tech 3 seat.

I would think Spies would be the obvious choice over Toseland. I would rather see Crutchlow in the Tech 3 seat, but he has a championship to worry about. Doesn't Tech3 have a moto2 bike, what about moving that rider up?

that's what we've been discussing in the other thread.  julian ryder predicts it will be takahashi (currently tech 3 moto2)

i bet yamaha would not opt for ben first cuz it would mess up his rookie year stats, among other things

I think it'll be Kurtis.

[laugh]

That's funny

he's busy...

http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=40793 (http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=40793)

I think he'd take it.

From motomatters:
http://www.motomatters.com/news/2010/06/10/rossi_update_qa_with_davide_brivio_lin_j.html (http://www.motomatters.com/news/2010/06/10/rossi_update_qa_with_davide_brivio_lin_j.html)


12. Will Valentino be meeting the media during his recovery time?

William Favero, Communications Manager, Yamaha Motor Racing: "Valentino will not be giving any interviews to press or television during his recovery time. All Yamaha wants is for him to focus on his rehabilitation and make a full recovery. Yamaha will arrange a press conference with Valentino in due course. In the meantime we will make sure that our sponsors, the fans and the international media are kept updated about his condition through our official spokesmen and team press releases, with the same efficiency and transparency with which we have treated this issue so far."

 [laugh]

Oh, what's this then??

http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/road-racing/2010/06/10/rossi-speaks (http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/road-racing/2010/06/10/rossi-speaks)

Ahh, so it WAS Pedrobots fault (inadvertently)

Nice to hear that he knows what went wrong and why it happened, no excuses or questions about the suspension or motor.

Lin Jarvis -- Rossi to be replaced from Catalunya onwards. http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/160529/1/rossi_to_be_replaced_from_catalunya_onwards.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/160529/1/rossi_to_be_replaced_from_catalunya_onwards.html)

"We expect to be able to inform you of our plan next week or at the latest at the Silverstone MotoGP event."

Looks like motogp.com is trying to out exclusive them... [roll]

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2010/qa+with+valentino+rossi+on+his+release+from+hospital (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2010/qa+with+valentino+rossi+on+his+release+from+hospital)

http://www.motomatters.com/news/2010/06/14/herve_poncharal_replacing_valentino_ross.html (http://www.motomatters.com/news/2010/06/14/herve_poncharal_replacing_valentino_ross.html)

Crutchlow says he turned down a Tech 3 seat:

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/160732/1/cal_crutchlow_admits_he_turned_down_tech_3_offer.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/160732/1/cal_crutchlow_admits_he_turned_down_tech_3_offer.html)

well, at least we know which seat they're trying to fill.  [evil]

he's always been the most logical choice.

do your stats for the year get bifurcated if you ride in the same series on two different bikes?

http://www.carolenash.com/insidebikes/bike-sport/lorenzo-admits-title-has-lost-its-shine-after-rossi-injury.htm (http://www.carolenash.com/insidebikes/bike-sport/lorenzo-admits-title-has-lost-its-shine-after-rossi-injury.htm)

Lorenzo admits he isn't as enamoured of the championship without Rossi...


and then the 1 tidbit that caight me was this...

...“I have been injured a lot - I know the pain you feel and how sad you are in hospital, so for this I have a present for him on the grid and on the podium - an opportunity to make him smile.”...

makes me wonder what stunt(s) he is going to pull this time....

Maybe he'll evade paying taxes as an homage ;D

[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
Looking at my last paycheck, I'm tempted to do the same. But only as an homage to Vale  ;)

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs139.snc4/37295_1466506593175_1548863383_1172926_7088521_n.jpg)

couldn't resist

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4035/4712343066_e3c8163703_b.jpg)

mitt

http://www.motomatters.com/news/2010/06/18/lin_jarvis_no_decision_yet_on_rossi_repl.html (http://www.motomatters.com/news/2010/06/18/lin_jarvis_no_decision_yet_on_rossi_repl.html)

still no news...but Edwards looks to be the man...

you know it's gonna end up being Eboz.

Eboz?....cause he is doing so well in AMA right now...LOL

You need to pass what ever it is you're smoking over this way. ;) :P

Maybe they can pull off something like out of 'The Waterboy' and put some insignificant member of the pitcrew on the bike.

(http://www.libertycrossingsyouth.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Waterboy.jpg)

Elena Myers FTW!!

that would be AWESOME!!!

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84641 (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84641)

So Capi to Tech 3 to fill the empty seat left by Edwards when he's riding Rossi's bike.
Fair enough.
But it says " That will leave a vacancy alongside Ben Spies at Tech 3, and Poncharal confirmed reports in the Italian press that Capirossi's manager Carlo Pernat has pushed for his rider - who is currently having a very tough season at Suzuki - to make a three-race move to Tech 3 before a full-time 2011 deal."

So WTF happens when Rossi comes back, and Capi has a full-time 2011 deal?

They going to have another Yamaha satellite bike?

Rossi ain't coming back. He'll be in red next season ;D

if I had to bet who would be vacating their seat from Repsol right now...my money would be on Smurfy McDouchenozzle to lose his seat, as it seems Dovi has gotten a handle on the bike and is showing a bit more consistancy thus far ( even though he isn't an alien with batshit fast abilities)...so that might mean that Dani could be taking Capi's seat on the Zuke' if he insists on having a factory ride...otherwise he might be relagated to a rejuvenated 1st tier satelite bike with a sudden increase in sponsorship money brought to the table ( ie: something akin to the Gresini bikes for example)...so that would set the table for Rossi on the Duc, and Casey at the bat on a Repsol....

the only thing I can't figure out though is, when does Capi or Edwards decide to retire ( at least from GP anyways)?

I think Capi's tired of tooling around in 27th place. My bet's on the next couple of years.

All this is serving to show that MotoGP has written themselves into a corner with the rules and the incestuous nature of the riders the teams use.

No way in hell Dani is not on a factory ride next year, whatever folks may think of him personally, he is still a worldwide top 3 rider WITH sponsorship.

Earlier this year i would have said Capi would retire, but now he owes the Italian IRS a shit-ton of money my guess is he needs the ride. Otherwise look to Colin and he to leave (imo) next year. Carmelo desperately needs more bikes on the grid preferably with more equitable spread of riders nationalities, a 16 bike grid is embarrassing. I think we can look forward to a rule rewrite soon to make it easier to get top riders on COMPETITIVE bikes soon.

This is all my speculation, your opinions may vary..  ;D

I don't care if it's 800cc, 930cc, 990cc, 1000cc, or trikes: As long as I see a yellow #46 on a red motorcycle from Bologna, I'll still watch [thumbsup]

http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2010/06/no-name-test-rider-replaces-ro.html (http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2010/06/no-name-test-rider-replaces-ro.html)

41 yo Wataru Yoshikawa

Zzzzzzz! Wake me when MotoGP is exciting again. I'm surprised they didn't ask King Kenny.

Booooorrrrriiiiiiinnnnnggggg. 

But that's pretty much what we'd normally expect -- a development rider.  It's that we all got our hopes up for this one. 

it was a pretty tough thing to figure out..

Fack.  Does this mean we'll actually have to talk about the on-track racing?  Cuz that's just crazy talk. 

Maybe we could talk about how Rossi is being taken care of by Arianna.  [evil]

you mean Adrianna? Casey's wife? cause she is gearing up for a real winner!!!....LOL...J/K

Nah, I meant Arianna Matteuzzi....... Google image is your friend.  ;)

Nicky Hayden On Replacing MotoGP Riders: The Level Is So High, It's Nearly Impossible

http://www.motomatters.com/news/2010/06/23/nicky_hayden_on_replacing_motogp_riders_.html (http://www.motomatters.com/news/2010/06/23/nicky_hayden_on_replacing_motogp_riders_.html)

I don't think you can just bring in a wildcard whose going to be in the mix, be in the top 5. If there was already somebody out there like that, they would already have a job.

All this stuff about the "level being so high" coming from MotoGP riders is beginning to sound a a little self serving. I'm not sure it's the level, so much as the bikes and tyres ride so differently... even the great Ben admitted as much. If it was just the "level of riders" how come ex GP riders don't go to other series and just kick ass?

what top 5 GP rider has gone to another series and been mediocre?  riders that got moved out like jt, chris v, alex hofmann don't count.

why would a top 5 rider leave?

heck if i know.  that was half my point.

The GP grid/racing is boring enough already.

They'll never survive with 5. [laugh]

I think riders like Ben and some of the others that will inevitably make the jump from the 'lesser' series will make the current crop of GP boys take notice.

Kurtis would've been better.

I seem to recall Max Biaggi's debut on the Corona Suzuki in WSBK was pretty close to being on top out of the gate....


see Max Biaggi's old attitude....


as much as I have bagged on Max in the past and called him many dispariging things...I have to give him credit as a great rider who gets the business done and does it fairly well.

interesting POV from Edwards....

http://www.roadracerx.com/features/tuesday-conversation/tuesday-conversation-colin-edwards/ (http://www.roadracerx.com/features/tuesday-conversation/tuesday-conversation-colin-edwards/)

I like Max too and always liked him as a racer. I think that time away from GP racing and no one wanting to give him a ride were good for him. At least publicly he dropped the pregnant dogy prima donna attitude that used to piss everyone off so bad. Also cost his GP ride to a degree. He seems happy and enjoying himself. Who wouldn't be when you are kicking ass??!! I'd love to see him and Aprilla take the title this year. Don't get me wrong, I love Ducatis. But just like last year when I was rooting for The Ben I find myself this year pulling for Max! [clap]

Having been in possession of an attitude all my life...

it was never my choice to be gone when it reared its' head. ;)

YEAH, but back then, what kind of argument against your presence would you have gotten from the rocks and dirt you were working with back in the stone age?....LOL....J/K   ;)

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Jun/100626d.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Jun/100626d.htm)

P.S. - Tell Casey not to let the door hit him in the arse on his way out.

might be even more temporary

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85025 (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85025)

Wow.  If he's back on July 18, that'd be amazing.  It'd be sad to see Rossi outside of the top 10 though.  I can't imagine him coming back and blitzing the field.  Actually, I can (just he's superhuman), but it's not very likely. 

"A new crash would be a problem. But the pin inserted is very big and the screws can break only for a manufacturing defect."

so, what you're saying is, if he crashes the leg will shatter but the hardware will be a-ok.

He needs to focus on signing with Ducati, not on returning this season.

probably already did that.

Then he needs to focus on announcing it.

Does that count toward the engine limit? ;D

you don't just put out a press release about the Second Coming.     ;)

you're joking i know.. but i wonder what the deal is with the engine that Yoshikawa is using to tool around in 47th place.  this must have been discussed somewhere.

It's one of Rossi's 6 engines.  I assume they gave him the most tired, broke-ass one. 

You'd think so.

http://www.roadracerx.com/breaking-news/breaking-news-ezpeleta-rossi-will-race-in-germany/ (http://www.roadracerx.com/breaking-news/breaking-news-ezpeleta-rossi-will-race-in-germany/)

Wishful thinking on the part of Ezpeleta? Vale's gotta do what's right for his health.

wishful thinking? it sounds like he's just revealing what rossi's camp has told him.

Carmelo is good at

wait...

what is he good at?

I don't feel like coming back so early is a good idea.  It might be wishful thinking that he'll be running up front as I can't see him pushing the bike to the limit when he's not healed.  I think he can run top 10 in his sleep, but it would be a miracle if he made a podium.

He's over 100 points behind Lorenzo.
Why on earth would he come back early?

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Jul/100707a.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Jul/100707a.htm)

Rossi to ride the Yamaha WSBK machine in Misano today...talk about photo-op!!!

we don't really know how bad the leg really is/was.

Brivio: Vale had a 10-lap run. Looks like normal testing already! Now starting again for few more laps. Leg seems good so far

so...what are they doing....holding his crutches while he rides and assisting him on and off the bike in the pit....

that's what honda did w/ duhamel at daytona in '99... he won both the 600ss and superbike races.

(http://cdn.cloudfiles.mosso.com/c54102/x2_1de1737)

I'm pretty sure 10 + 14 = 24.   [cheeky]

YES IT DOES...douchebag  :P ...LOL...I was just posting the quote from Superbikeplanet.com is all...

You two have never been closer to makin' out than you are right now.   [laugh]

wasn't it an open compound fracture? If so, he's insane for riding. That's not just "a bit" of pain he's experiencing  :o

^^ jealous.

supposedly.  according to many reports, yes.  but there have also been suggestions that maybe it wasn't as catastrophic as was first reported.

who knows.  the press needs stuff to do between races.

The press?

You guys are like crack monkeys. ;D

Fair enough  ;D

I think he is....LOL

just remember...crack stays crunchy in milk!!!

I'll take your word for it... ;D

+1

http://motomatters.com/news/2010/07/08/after_misano_test_rossi_still_seriously_.html (http://motomatters.com/news/2010/07/08/after_misano_test_rossi_still_seriously_.html)

VALENTINO ROSSI COMPLETES TEST AT MISANO

Fiat Yamaha Team rider Valentino Rossi today rode a motorcycle for the first time since breaking his right leg at Mugello on 5th June. He rode a total of 26 laps at Misano on a YZF-R1 WSB machine, provided by the Yamaha World Superbike Team, and recorded a best time of 1'38.200.

Rossi did an initial run of 11 laps at 18.30 CET with a best time of 1'41.000, then a second run of 15 laps at 19.45 CET with a best time of 1'38.200 (unofficial times).

what I understand is that they fitted the bike (which was supposedly Crutchlow's) with 16.5 rims and Bridgestone tyres...what I found interesting was the "spin" on Rossi's laps which were having been quoted as "respectable"...Crutchlow's fastest lap of the race was a 1'36.546....now lets use the fastest Kawasaki as a backmarker benchmark for a second and they have a recorded fastest lap by the Mole at 1'38.075....that would have put him back in 16th place by his best recorded lap....


lets chew on this fat for a few moments....

I can't tell if you're implying the times are good, bad, or otherwise, but they don't seem too bad to me.

He's saying that Rossi sucks and he's next in line after gm²...

to have Bens' children.

 [laugh]

for a club racer he is on fire...for a WSBK racer he'd be the suck in midpack....for GP with them turning 1'34's and 1'35's he'd be lagging back behind everyone with the Interwetten test rider replacing Hiro Ayoama....so my point of this was more as to why Brivio would say his pace was respectable or anyone would imply that....we all know this was a test guage and no one expected a broken man to be lighting the track on fire....but I guess I expected some level of thought in regards to the statements made for the press with the idea that he would be compared to other racers times on a commonly used circuit...maybe I am thinking too much...


or maybe perhaps it is a part of a greater conspiracy that is distoring the time continuum and everything so that gm2 can mate with The Ben before anyone else and it is make the beast with two backsing with the Rossi Race Pace in the interim....

I don't think Rossi will hasten his return unless he can run up front. It does him no good, it does Dorna (and MotoGP) no good, and it jeopardizes 2011. And with Stoner confirmed at Honda (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=34111.msg720373#msg720373), the dominoes are starting to fall...he needs to focus on shoring up his Ducati announcement :)

gee ya think?   ;D

he doesn't ride that bike.  maybe he has never ridden it.  this was just to see if the guy with the very broken leg can ride at all.  and they could not put him on the M1.  the times are irrelevant.

yes I know this was more to evaluate his ability in comparo to his current healing status...

no, he doesn't ride that bike, but he has ridden it...a few times even...I mean...after all...he did help develop parts for that bike and probably knows that bike better than the R6 he used in that cornering demonstration video he did a year or so ago...

yes I know they couldn't have put him on an M1, at least not a 2010 M1....I don't think there is a rule saying that he can't or couldn't ride a 2008 or 2009 bike? or is there a stipulation saying exactly that?

times are not irrelevant if Brivio and Yamaha both bring it up or compare them to anything (ie:saying they are respectable, and listing times)...they could have just mentioned the # of laps done and expounded on Rossi's feelings and this wouldn't even be an issue for discussion...

and good deflection on your master plan to be impregnated by The Ben....we hath done found you out!...you conniving minx you!...LOL

when? 

the street version R1 for commercials, a lap around IOM, etc is very different than the wsbk R1.

I will 100% give you that a street version and the WSBK that Crutchlow runs that Rossi borrowed are like saying a WSBK and an GP bike are the same...they are very different animals indeed...but yet...not in certain ways...


and BTW...are you feeling nitpicky or something?

lol.. no.  i was just doing 5 things at once.  :)

to my knowledge he's never ridden the wsbk R1.  and Brivio saying the times are respectable.. they sure as hell are for a guy who had bones sticking out of his leg last month.  it's not like this test was to see if he wanted to move to wsbk.  no one even suggested that he was pushing.  i think he was just cruising around... you know, to the extent that he can tolerate 'cruising'

no question he was "cruising" to a degree...granted at a faster pace than you or I could acheive...but I have to believe that Rossi was pushing for to see where HIS thresholds were for pain and ability for assessment and evaluation...and some of the things I am sure he was trying to keep in mind, weren't things you can exactly measure or deal with in physical therapy....and THAT is all they had to mention in the briefs to the public....


back to the question of whether he could have done this evaluation on an '08/'09 M1 bike though?...would that have been legal?

some perspective:

a worldsbk-spec r1 with no setup baseline for the 16.5in wheels/bridgestone tires he was using...

the focus was on seeing if he was able to ride around his current state of recovery, not develop a race setup or set track records.

other than the bikes in rossi's living room, supposedly none of those exist

nice piece....

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Jul/100709millerrossi.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Jul/100709millerrossi.htm)

I especially like the quote from "On Any Sunday" he starts out with...

http://motomatters.com/news/2010/07/11/rossi_to_test_at_brno_on_monday_to_annou.html (http://motomatters.com/news/2010/07/11/rossi_to_test_at_brno_on_monday_to_annou.html)

Rossi to ride Toseland's bike today at Brno....and this piece I found interesting...

Rossi will also be using Pirelli tires, rather than the Bridgestones he used at Misano, making a direct comparison between Rossi's times and those of the World Superbike riders much easier

so that goes back to begging the question as to what Yamaha or Brivio or anyone else calculating and comparing thought of his last go round of times to call them "respectable" since he IS being compared to the pilot of whose bike he was riding as well as in general...not just as an injured guy who is just out turning laps to assess health and fitness and being timed for no other reason....

maybe I am beating a dead horse somewhat....but it will be interesting...and of course...he is supposed to have a press conference afterward to say when and where his thinks his next race/gridding up will be as well as maybe the formal wet your panties announcement that we have all been anticipating...

So it's taking him a while to get used to the Pirellis, eh?

yeah, that poor guy...


http://motomatters.com/news/2010/07/12/rossi_laps_brno_under_race_record_but_no.html (http://motomatters.com/news/2010/07/12/rossi_laps_brno_under_race_record_but_no.html)

 I can't see the Twitter link in the motomatters link(damn firewall at work).....is he lapping at that pace, or has put a few laps at that time down and is otherwise lapping at 2'00+?...

he did 46 laps, that was the best time.  they didn't report any other numbers.

yes, you are definitely thinking too hard about this.  =)

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2010/rossi+concludes+test+at+brno (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2010/rossi+concludes+test+at+brno)

46 laps, eh?

 [laugh]

GOAT

HE'S BACK!!!

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/161595/1/title_battle_reignited_as_rossi_returns_in_germany.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/161595/1/title_battle_reignited_as_rossi_returns_in_germany.html)

next for Rossi...walking on water

how ridiculous would it be if he won this year

docs cleared him
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/161611/1/rossi_receives_final_go-ahead_for_germany.html (http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/161611/1/rossi_receives_final_go-ahead_for_germany.html)

We'll see how he goes on the M1. Hope he can sustain a good pace in practice. I don't hold out a lot of hope, but it'd be delicious to see him whoop Lorentho's arse in the race ;D

wonder if they'll both be chasing down pedro however.  he luuuvs this place.

I hope not. Races suck when he gets to the front.

BTW:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/columnists/suziperry/7890049/MotoGP-preview-Germany.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/columnists/suziperry/7890049/MotoGP-preview-Germany.html)

Valentino Rossi will definitely join Ducati next season. At least he will if you believe the fevered press speculation that has boiled over during the past fortnight. If, however, you take a more considered approach, read between the lines and make a few educated guesses, then you arrive, inescapably, at... exactly the same conclusion.

unless Pedro-Bot is riding in the rain a half a lap ahead of everyone and crashes....

That probably happened because his pit box was showing "+.3"

(http://hellforleathermagazine.com/images/Dani_pedrosa_crash_Sachsenring.jpg)