alright here is my problem I layed the m750 dark over a couple weeks ago so I am doing a entire build. but when I started I put the works integrated tail light on and did some flush mounts signals and then the the left side would work fine but the right side would buzz when I put the signal to the right side? my first thought was when I layed it over I messed up the relay.....instead of a ground issue. [bang] so I went to a auto parts store and asked about the relay they gave me one and threw my old one away they told me they were all the same? now neither of my signals work. and I don't think my relay was bad now. but how can I find the ground problem which is what I think it is without having the good relay. or should this relay work? thanks for any help I will post pics of my build in about a week
relays aren't all the same. some are heavy duty some light duty. unless you are talking about electronic relays. cheap electronic relays have to be well grounded and alot of them can go bad too. is it an electronic flasher? do you have the front signals hooked up? there might not be enough of a load for the relay to work properly (huhuhu, I said load)....
I am in the same situation with a 2000 M750. Did a rear CA intergrated tail light. I'm not running front signals. When I first installed the light and tested the signals everything worked fine ( I didnt start the bike). Today for the first time, I finally got my bike started and now I get no rear signals or any idicator on the dash cluster. Brake and running light works fine. Do I have a bum flasher?? Can someone shed some light on this. I'm dying to get this bike on the road.
thanks
yeah it was the flasher I had replaced and that was making the buzzing noise. I haven't hooked up all of the signals still because I was going to order a oem part because I thought that was my problem but I think I will hook up all of my signals and see what happens.
well I bought a replacement electronic flasher today. Tried it out and still no rear signals or signal light in the speedo cluster. I bought a Tridon EP35 relay which says its good for LED and 2-4 bulbs. I don't have any front signals plugged in and I also swapped out my stock speedo cluster for the Ducati Performance dual gauge cluster w/tach. Out of the harness I get good ground, 12V on the 49+ and 12V on the 49a (middle prong). When I hit the signal switch, the voltage on the 49a prong drops to about 7.5V. No clicking or signals. When I jump 49+ & 49a, the relay clicks and the LED signal in the tail light lights up but doesnt flash. I also dont get a signal flash in the speedo cluster. I'm really not sure what the hell is going on. Looks like the switch is fine and everything out of the harness is fine. I'm assuming its a bad relay out of the box or does it not work because there isnt enough load on the circuit?
Alright well I hooked all the turns up and now they will turn on and stay solid When I hit the switch. Still have the buzzing noise from the flasher. ??? I think the relay is to big I lookedvat the package and it said 6 bulb? I don't really know
I sorted my flashers with an LED specific flasher relay off of ebay.
In case you guys haven't noticed a trend, most flasher relays DON'T like LED'S. If you are running front and rears, as long as one is a standard bulb, you will not have too much of a problem. If you try to run just rear, or even both LED signals, things get screwy. As long as EITHER a set of front, or a set of rear signals are standard, you will have no porblems (i currently have intergraded LED's in the rear and standard "small" blinkers up front on my 748). As far as a "buzz" that means go back and check your wiring...something came loose! When you hook back up it will work.
I had another thread going about a similar issue with the motocreations inegrated tail light. I bought two of them for the two 900's I have. I went through a day and a half of frustration with the signals working and then not working (on and off) as I puttered around trying different fixes. I had read over the one page instructions a number of times, but took one last look and found a sentence I had somehow previously missed......"engine may have to be running for signals to work". I don't understand electronics well enough to know why, but my integrated tail signals work like magic when the engine is running and only when they decide to if the engine is off. I don't care why as long as they work.
I'm not suggesting this is the issue for any of the problems someone might be dealing with here, but something to look at.
Quote from: motox79 on July 20, 2010, 05:45:53 PM
In case you guys haven't noticed a trend, most flasher relays DON'T like LED'S. If you are running front and rears, as long as one is a standard bulb, you will not have too much of a problem. If you try to run just rear, or even both LED signals, things get screwy. As long as EITHER a set of front, or a set of rear signals are standard, you will have no porblems (i currently have intergraded LED's in the rear and standard "small" blinkers up front on my 748). As far as a "buzz" that means go back and check your wiring...something came loose! When you hook back up it will work.
I'm not running front signals on my bike and even after the LED flasher relay I was still getting screwy signals. I ended up having to pull the small bulb in the dash cluster that flashes when you signal (mine wouldnt flash). The bulb was good, but for some reason was screwing up my LED rear intergrated signals. I'm wondering if I hook up a regular pair of front signals and re-install the bulb in the dash if everything will work properly and I'll even get the indicator flashing in the dash......
Put it all back to stock, and see if it works properly. If it works, start adding one piece at a time, and test.
It's difficult to figure out what the problem is when you add more than 1 part/variable at a time without testing.
Quote from: DarkStaR on July 23, 2010, 08:56:42 PM
Put it all back to stock, and see if it works properly. If it works, start adding one piece at a time, and test.
It's difficult to figure out what the problem is when you add more than 1 part/variable at a time without testing.
I wish I could do that, but I pretty much sold all the stock parts that came off the bike. I think I'll just get a pair of front signals off ebay or something and go from there. For the time being, the little bulb in the dash needs to remain out in order for the rear LED intergrated signals to work properly. I just have to remember to cancel my signals after turning.
Sounds like you may need to connect diodes to the dash light. You may be having a back current issue through the dash light, that's probably why you need need to pull the bulb for it to work correctly.
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=24500 (http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=24500)
Quote from: DarkStaR on July 24, 2010, 04:05:06 PM
Sounds like you may need to connect diodes to the dash light. You may be having a back current issue through the dash light, that's probably why you need need to pull the bulb for it to work correctly.
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=24500 (http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=24500)
Example:
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll224/decosse01/Misc/Turn_Signal_LED.jpg)
Well just rigged up a pair of front signals. The signals themselves flash fine with the little dash light bulb out, however once the dash light is put back in, it gets wonky again.
I was thinking I may need an LED dash light bulb??? Problem is I dont know which type to replace it with. Not sure exactly about wiring in diodes, because the LED bulb may already have them built in. I know its a wedge type bulb and its super small.
Quote from: COP TZR on July 24, 2010, 07:53:42 PM
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I was thinking I may need an LED dash light bulb??? Problem is I dont know which type to replace it with. Not sure exactly about wiring in diodes, because the LED bulb may already have them built in. I know its a wedge type bulb and its super small.
If this is your problem, which it sounds like it is, you'll HAVE to use the 2 diodes separating the left and right blinker circuits at the dash.
Think of the diodes as an electrical 1 way gate.
Quote from: DarkStaR on July 25, 2010, 07:27:34 AM
If this is your problem, which it sounds like it is, you'll HAVE to use the 2 diodes separating the left and right blinker circuits at the dash.
Think of the diodes as an electrical 1 way gate.
hmmmmm...........where does one get these particular diodes? Are there different types/sizes? Which ones do I need, and is it one diode per side?
Quote from: COP TZR on July 25, 2010, 03:17:40 PM
hmmmmm...........where does one get these particular diodes? Are there different types/sizes? Which ones do I need, and is it one diode per side?
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http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=3823.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=3823.0)
Ignore last the schematic I posted, as I think this one is correct and the other is wrong.
have you tried putting resistors on your rear-only blinkers? It'll cost you $5 at radio shack. Get the biggest 10ohm resistors you can find, i think i found like 10 watt. Wire them in parallel with the blinker, so between the hot and ground wires.