OK I think I can declare the front brakes to now be officially upgraded, updated and done.
I special-ordered the Brembo HPK floating rotors with black carriers...initially I was headed towards Brembo Narrow Bands but I liked the floating option offered with the HPK's....looks nice I think with the silver 4 pad calipers
Forks go off to Eric at ClubHouse Motorsports in NH for a rework next month
New Power Pures got a cautious 150 miles on them this past weekend
we are almost "there" as far as getting the bike set-up right
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2002 Monster 900ie
I just picked up a pair of Brembo axial 65mm narrow band 4 pad calipers to replace the stock gold sponge lumps.
This will require new front hoses (which I would replace anyway on principle) since the banjo caliper mounts are side mounted vs. top mounted
Current set-up is with the single hose with the "T" fitting
What is the best Brake Hose set-up for the front in terms of balance, responsiveness and feel/feedback??
Continue with a "T" fitting type?.....
Go to two straight lines home run from each caliper and a long banjo bolt at the Master?.....
Or go with a straight single line to caliper "a" with a cross-over hose directly from caliper "a" to caliper "b"?
While I am at it would there be any reason to convert from the existing Brembo gold "pee-cup" Master to a radial pump?
For the time being I will be using the standard rotors but intend to upgrade to the Narrow Band types in a month or 3
Thoughts experience or advice welcomed
Thanks
and thanks for being here to help
Regards
RAT
I have those calipers on my 996 with a T type line with the T close to the fender.
IMO that arrangement is clean looking and works great.
If you can make them noticeably better with a different style line I'd be surprised.
You will like these. [thumbsup]
Totally a matter of aesthetics, convenience and personal choice, Pascal will never know the difference.
Quote from: howie on June 13, 2010, 01:23:45 PM
Totally a matter of aesthetics, convenience and personal choice, Pascal will never know the difference.
[thumbsup]
Thanks guys....if there is no real advantage of one over another I will go with the T type in something overpriced and bling-ish
I made my own line when I put 4-pads on my S4.
The OEM style with the T in the vicinity of the headlight looks nice to me, as there's two symmetrical hoses going down to the calipers.
So that's what I did.
But it's a bit of a chore getting the T and the lines to play nicely with all the stuff behind the headlight.
Whatever's easiest to fit and looks good to you.
I don't feel any need to fit a radial master.
4-pads fitted with CP211's hooked to the goldline master is the equivalent of dropping an anchor with one finger.
Well I got the custom order brake lines from Spiegler yesterday...ordered Monday...good turn-around. Went with T fitting...cost 199.00 shipped but that included new banjo bolts washers etc
The calipers were a steal at 350 bucks...new they retail at around 600 or so dollars....these are flawless
they came off a 999r(?) with only 500 miles on them and the pads to prove it. I like the silver finish too...seems to work with the bikes color scheme
Mounted everything this morning and bled them ....they are every bit as great as I remember them being on my old 96 Ratbike
Now I am shopping for a good set of Brembo narrow band rotors to finish the job
Always happy when a project goes according to plan with no ambushes :)
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Damn...
that thing is yellow. :P
Quote from: ducpainter on June 19, 2010, 08:36:21 AM
Damn...
that thing is yellow. :P
You say that like it's a bad thing ;D
+1 on the CP211 pads. Very progressive and great feel. The first few applications take some additional effort until they get a bit of heat in them. Here's my setup with the narrow band rotors.
BK
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I know, I know....after owning it for a month or 3
I have come to the painful conclusion that it lacks the proper "Menace" that the old Ratbike had
I feel playful and kittenish on it
Even with the Sil's snarling and thundering the local constabulary
give me a smile and the "you silly boy" limp wrist wave-away
Quote from: BK_856er on June 19, 2010, 10:27:01 AM
+1 on the CP211 pads. Very progressive and great feel. The first few applications take some additional effort until they get a bit of heat in them. Here's my setup with the narrow band rotors.
BK
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Very nice....I have the HH pads that came with the calipers and they seem to be doing just dandy
after having been using the old flogged and weathered 2 pin sponge lumps,,,, rubbing a stick against the tire to slow down would have been an upgrade.
When I get my lunch hooks wrapped around a proper set of rotors I may move to CP211's
I am looking at the HPK Brembo's but they run about 650 a pair vs. the old style Narrow Bands at 440 a pair...but the HPK's are true floaters
Bit of a side step here, but what is different about the narrow band rotors (and calipers apparently, that's new for me) compared to the normal ones? I suspect it's related to the effective surface area, but what's the purpose? Can't find anything about it in the FAQ; hint ;D
Quote from: IdZer0 on June 19, 2010, 11:01:10 AM
Bit of a side step here, but what is different about the narrow band rotors (and calipers apparently, that's new for me) compared to the normal ones? I suspect it's related to the effective surface area, but what's the purpose? Can't find anything about it in the FAQ; hint ;D
In the case of the rotors there is less rotating mass
The 4 Pad caliper arrangement gives double the leading edge contact, better feel/feedback/initial bite, less judder and increased braking power
Set up right, you can hard brake your bike with an index finger
I use the HH on my other bike. Good pads with fantastic "bite" to them, but I prefer the CP211 on the monster for the type of riding I do on it. Good plan to make a compound change with virgin, or at least properly prepped, rotors.
My memory is a bit IZ_, but I believe the "narrow band" rotors are a bit lighter, 0.5mm thinner and specifically designed for the 4pad caliper. The HP is lighter yet, and as RAT900 pointed out a full floater. Both are great rotors.
The 4pad caliper is super duper goodness in braking! Caliper, rotor, pad, lines, master cylinder are all part of the equation.
BK
Quote from: Dan on June 19, 2010, 09:04:15 AM
You say that like it's a bad thing ;D
The doity bastid is trying to shame me into sending the tank up his way...I know his wily manipsinashuns ;D
Quote from: RAT900 on June 19, 2010, 11:20:57 AM
In the case of the rotors there is less rotating mass
The 4 Pad caliper arrangement gives double the leading edge contact, better feel/feedback/initial bite, less judder and increased braking power
Set up right, you can hard brake your bike with an index finger
I'm running 320mm rotors, SBK 2 pad calipers, Ferodo Platinum pads, and radial MC setup. I can get within an eyebrow twitch of front end lock up with one finger. Bike is S2R 800.
I am happy with my brakes now. [thumbsup]
Quote from: rockaduc on June 19, 2010, 03:43:37 PM
I'm running 320mm rotors, SBK 2 pad calipers, Ferodo Platinum pads, and radial MC setup. I can get within an eyebrow twitch of front end lock up with one finger. Bike is S2R 800.
I am happy with my brakes now. [thumbsup]
those are teh same ones on the S2R1k no? Not that I need it, but if could trade for the 4 pads on the 999 i would. not sure if id see much of a difference on street though.
Quote from: He Man on June 19, 2010, 04:26:03 PM
those are teh same ones on the S2R1k no? Not that I need it, but if could trade for the 4 pads on the 999 i would. not sure if id see much of a difference on street though.
4 pad calipers on the street are kinda like 150hp on the street.
No...you don't need it, but you definitely know they're there.
Bump