Ducati Monster Forum

There are a few threads floating around about these kits So I figure I'd start a dedicated thread to track details and information about the kits.

Most information taken from this thread, rest through e-mail communications.

http://www.ducati.ms/forums/showthread.php?s=3efa404a37680647eb1013cf1dc7171b&t=88258 (http://www.ducati.ms/forums/showthread.php?s=3efa404a37680647eb1013cf1dc7171b&t=88258)

Pictures of the installed 696 kit have been posted. As of June 9th the ETA of the 696 kit is 2 weeks. So by July this kit will be available to the 696 owner and the 1100 kit shortly thereafter.

Price quoted to me through e-mail was AU$1350 which is roughly $1156 USD Complete with massive color instruction manual. The first prototype released too a little under 2 hours to install.

Not a bad price for a SICK and complete kit gaining a net 6 HP (YMMV)
That's roughly $192 per HP gained and based on my experience with making shit go fast that's a great price.

Here are all the photos cross posted from that other forum. (there are a few and they're big)

First photo is of the stock setup
(http://www.ducati.ms/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=70052&d=1276068021)
WASPWORKS- VELOCITY STACKS
(http://www.ducati.ms/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=70053&d=1276068227)
ECU,STARTER SOLINOID,BATTERY CASE ETC- MOUNTING BRACKET
(http://www.ducati.ms/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=70054&d=1276068227)
(http://www.ducati.ms/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=70055&d=1276068227)
ECU MOUNTED WITH POWERCOMMANDER 5 INSTALLED
(http://www.ducati.ms/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=70056&d=1276068227)
Top View
(http://www.ducati.ms/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=70057&d=1276068227)
View through Trellis
(http://www.ducati.ms/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=70058&d=1276068694)

Below are the Dyno charts for the PUK installed on a M696 with Termi's Top is HP bottom is TQ
http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0BxalkMewj5HdNGJiZDY0OWItNmU5Ni00MzZlLThhNDMtN2NmMTgyOTMyM2Jh&hl=en (http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0BxalkMewj5HdNGJiZDY0OWItNmU5Ni00MzZlLThhNDMtN2NmMTgyOTMyM2Jh&hl=en)


http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0BxalkMewj5HdY2M1ZjgwYzAtZWJiZS00NTY2LWJhMWEtMTM4YmIwYTNhYmM5&hl=en (http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0BxalkMewj5HdY2M1ZjgwYzAtZWJiZS00NTY2LWJhMWEtMTM4YmIwYTNhYmM5&hl=en)

Interesting... I look forward to the specs on the 1100.

There's this emissions sticker on my air box that I can't get off because of the frame... so I suppose this is a good option for getting rid of it  ;D

I can't wait to get my hands on one of these. Apparently the power increase is very noticeable and the intake growl is loud and angry. The way I see it, it's the same price as buying a DP ecu solo but you get WAY more for your $$

A) I want a copy of the installation instructions to [drool] on

B) Am I right in reading that the PC5 for it is programmed for the DP ECU + Termi slipons?  On the 1100 I guess they have to differentiate the termi slip & termi full.  But I've got the slip's so I want that  [moto]

Based on my communications with WASP the PCV can be tailored for a non DP ecu bike.

This is a excerpt from an e-mail sent to me.

"The kit is plug and play with absolutely no modifications required to your bike or any of the components removed.
The kit is supplied with all filters, filter socks, all stainless steel bolts, stainless steel brackets, cable ties, installation manual, and fully mapped Power Commander PC5."

*added dyno charts to top post

Based on those charts peak HP looks to be at 9k rpm. With the stock ECU capped at 8500rpm you would lose ~1hp by not having the DP ecu. Truthfully though with the stock ECU the whole HP curve could be different. Not being able to tune below 4k rpm with the PCV and possibly not having the precision with PCV that the DP ecu has the results could vary significantly. When I get my kit I will include a full write up and dyno charts.

Should have been clearer:  I've got the DP ECU with Carbon Termi Slip-ons.  But I think you answered my question anywho... so keep up the good updating!  Can't wait to hear more!

i wonder if they just sell the bracket for the computer.

I have my own idea for an intake.

and the other thing. I've been thinking. I think the pod filters will show more on the dyno, but not so much at speed.
reason..
1. the dyno is still air, taking advantage of the larger surface area of the pods.
2. moving at 100mph there is very little if any still air that the pods can have access to. it would be turbulent and moving past the pods.
3. the airbox is a proven concept for vehicles at speed, it produces an area of still or pressurized (ram air intakes) that allow the intakes to breath deeply from.

i'm not 100% sold on pods as you can see.

interesting school of thought..........back in the day ( 1907, yes BGB is an old,old,old woman) .............. there were smooth bore intake manifolds. Then the thought changed to rough castings as intake manifolds and bellmouths were fitted onto carbs. The idea being that air tumbling into the carbs, mixed up with the fuel was then shot into the combustion chambers where the atomized fuel /air mixture covered the chamber completely and resulted in a cleaner quicker burn which produced more horsepower.
I am always open to learning new things.............. this was your history lesson for the day.
BGB

I agree, but only to a point for this application.

Reason being is that I seem to think it takes a decently high rate of speed for the ram air factor of an airbox to work, and while that isn't a problem for say a 1098, on a monster 696 your enjoying a lot of your fun at much lower speeds where the ram air factor may not be present.

Now with regards to this kit... I'm pretty sure TPO used to offer similar kits of velocity stacks and pod filters for only $250-300, so I wonder why this kit costs $1100... I mean if it includes the power commander that makes up ~$350 of the price difference, but are you telling me that their one little aluminum bracket is worth an additional $4-500?

Either way I am glad to see interesting products show up on the market.

i was only talking about ram air.
remember the old induction cowls of the muscle car era. it was basically creating a large volume of still air for the intakes to breath

Raux, this is directly from the mouth of the WaspWorks owner.

"air flow from the cooling jet (black duct in front of the dyno) is actually over 100kms per hour continuous and is running all the time when dyno testing.."

By doing this he is attempting to re-create the on road conditions as best a possible. From my experiences with dyno testing this is commonplace. Back when I was dyno testing my LS1 I used those tornado fans mounted directly in front of the intake to create a ram-aim effect.

Look closely at the TB intake's the wasp kit comes with. You can see the small dimples on around the entire surface. The purpose of having these on the TB intake is to reduce turbulence and allow the airflow to travel more efficiently into the combustion chamber. Look at the intake manifold on a modern V8 such as a SBC LS1,2,4.. the manifold is smooth on the interior but has individual plenums for each cylinder to help smooth the flow into the combustion chamber. Same concept here but without plenums using the dimples to control airflow.

There's also a difference between a rough surface area on the intake manifold & the surface of the throttle body. The throttle body, and in this case, the velocity stack is designed to speed up in coming airflow which will theoretically increase the volume & speed of the air coming in which will necessitate more fuel, and equate to more power (theoretically). This is all pre intake manifold. Inside the intake manifold, post throttlebody, the casting is surely rough which would promote fuel atomization & result in a more complete burn, again theoretically leading to more power.

What I find interesting about this kit are the dimples on the velocity stack. I think the theory is sound - it's proven to increase & stabilize airflow on golf balls, so I see every reason for it to work in this app. I would love to play around with one of these, but the part definitely has a premium cost put on it which I can only assume is because it is being used on a Ducati. I think even with the Power Commander, the cost on this should more realistically be around $700 retail. That should be  more then enough to leave a fair profit margin on the tooling and R&D of the stack, bracket, and custom PCV map.

The Duc tax in this case blows, because I'm sure that the stack does a great job, and I think the design is innovative & looks to be well executed. That price point will keep a lot of people out, and encourage people to have their own copy cat design made for much cheaper instead of giving the money to innovators.

wonder if wasp would provide group pricing to the US for those of us who'ld have to pay that overseas fee

Interesting, A group buy would certainly be a possibility. I wonder what kind of discount we could work with a large group of buyers.

Here is a photo of the actual dyno used. Note the black duct in front of the bike pushing air directly towards the intake,

(http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/af353/WinSomeLoseNone/Random/WaspWorksDyno.jpg)

100kph is 62mph. hardly at speed. try 230kph and then i'll think they've got it right.
i'm not trying to knock them don't get me wrong. and you're doing a great case defending them.
the turbulence I'm talking about is around the filters not the intakes themselves.

I totally understand, we're discussing not arguing.

In regard to the turbulence, would it matter how the air was flowing through the filter as long at the turbulence was minimized before entering the TB. The goal of the filter would be to allow as much air as possible to enter the TB as quickly as possible while the "velocity stacks" manage turbulence with the dimples similar to a gold ball.

Is the price in US dollars or Australian dollars?  If the price is in Australian dollars, then it is about $950 US.

The price in AU dollars is $1350

(http://www.ducati.ms/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=70057&d=1276068227)


ok take this picture.
the front of the intake are blocked off from and straight ram induction by the end caps of the filters. the sides have a smooth thin although breathing cover, which will create a smoother airflow AROUND the filter at higher speeds. I just feel at higher speeds this setup would starve for smooth available air.

Per today's exchange rate, 1350 AUD = 1167.75 USD

I wonder how much weight this would save compared to the airbox etc.   Also, while you're in there, a speedcell battery completes the weight alteration!  (all that weight's pretty high, so it would seem to be a nice center of gravity lowering process as well

Speedcell? never heard of them. Have a link I'm interested.

*nevermind found them

http://www.motowheels.com/italian/myProducts.cfm?parentcategoryid=915|Batteries%20and%20Battery%20Accessories&productID=6814&showDetail=1&categoryID=915|Batteries%20and%20Battery%20Accessories&vendoridtodisplay=0&filterFor=&collection (http://www.motowheels.com/italian/myProducts.cfm?parentcategoryid=915|Batteries%20and%20Battery%20Accessories&productID=6814&showDetail=1&categoryID=915|Batteries%20and%20Battery%20Accessories&vendoridtodisplay=0&filterFor=&collection)

I think TAft is a minor sponsor and builds a speedcell type battery.

I don't know his, but I've seen other copies, that never quite work out as well.  His may be an exception to this.

Typically weight savings vs yt12bbs, 7lbs!

I believe this has to do with the bracketry required, as the airbox on the 1100 holds all the goodies attached to it (solenoid, ecu, etc). Also the PC5 is a bit more expensive than it's PC3 counterpart.

What group size are we talking 5, 10, 15? I am very interested.

Well I know you have the cash so if we got a group buy maybe I could purchase a kit for you have it shipped to me than mail it back to you in the down under. Probably would be breaking some kind of international laws, but hey what the hell!!

The guys from TPO sent me this on May 17th, so it's in the works:

Hi Matt,

Yes, a BEAST kit for the new Monsters is in the works.  The velocity stacks work perfectly on the new bikes, we're just trying to find a way to make the required mounting brackets in a way that is cost-effective for you.  Ducati made the mounting of the coils and so forth much more complicated on the new Monsters.  We're working on a way to make the correct brackets for the kit that won't add a lot to the cost of the kit.

Allan

There are some differences to the kit. From discussions with Wasp, it seems like they put alittle more development time into stack length, the dimpling, and the mapping of the product, as well as the bracketry, and PCV. Whether this makes it worth $1350/1170 (AUD/USD), depends on the individual.

TPO's current Beast kit retails at 250, and the R-level kit 350.

The gains (in percentage) from the Wasp kits are typically higher than TPO from what I've seen, which I attribute to the more severe bell-mouth shaping and dimples on their stacks, whereas the TPO stacks are either straight or slightly belled (depending on the kit), and smooth. They show about 4-5 hp gains on the 900 motor. 7 on the DS1000

The Wasp kit is showing about 7 hp on the 696, and if we assume a similar jump for the 1100, you'ld see around 10 hp increase. (this is using percentages, in order to minimize the different dyno scenario).

Beast R (without the 696/1100's more complex bracketry) $350 + PCV $350 + dyno tuning time on the PC ($100.00 per hour give/take) + bracket for the 696/1100 + outerwares covers to keep water out of the intake $55.

To me, when it all comes together you're at a toss up in terms of the price/time/simplicity/power quantifier.

I just don't believe that this can bring 10 hp
You beter buy some hot cams and a rapid bike or power commander
I have pod filters on my old 900 ie with dyno's before and after
And the difference was about 0.5 hp

if the 696 has a proven 6HP gain why is a 10HP gain not possible on a larger motor. I consider it very possible. I would expect somewhere between an 8-12 hp gain on an 1100.

Has any one done this mod on a stock 696 ECU ?
Thanks

Pod filters, with stacks or just pods on the stock throttle bodies?
 
2nd, 900s had very poor flowing heads (ask any of the tuners, they'll second this) The 1000 and 1100 heads have much better flow rates, and see much more improvement from intake/exhaust modifications comparatively. People see huge gains with a port/polish on 900 motors, and yet more still when using filters/stacks instead of the airbox (although the biggest gains are filters on FCR41s, with a port job too).

I'm not saying 10 hp is what people will see, but it's more possible than on a 900.

3rd, a PC is included when you purchase the WASP kit, so you're getting something almost properly tuned (it won't be spot on, elevation, fuel changes alter it abit).


@link
only a handful have done this ever so far, it's a new kit, not even publicly released yet

We will see tomorrow.
I will join Todd in the morning to fit a Wasp M1100 PUK in Bunbury for the installation photos.
The bike is a bog stock M1100 with std exhaust and ECU.
Before anyone cries B/S about the availability of M1100 PC5... It is not available yet - We are working on an O2 work around with DynoJet while it is on the dyno tomorrow.
We will be doing before and after dyno runs obviously and you will see the results tomorrow eve or Sat morning.

Greg
www.waspworks.com (http://)

The very soon to be released M696 and M1100 are new, however the Wasp power Up Kits for DS1000's have actually been available for more than twelve months with hundreds of units in operation around the world.
The kits were initially designed for the Sport Classic DS1000 engines and more recently the Hypermotard DS1100.
We (myself and Todd at Bunbury dyno) have installed around 8 or 10 kits for local customers and have documented increases in HP of between min 6hp to max 12hp.
I have not ventured onto this forum before as until now the Monsters have been only on our distant radar.
Having said that, I do offer a kit for the S2R (DS1000) monster.

We have actually been extremely busy of late working on intake and induction kits for 1098/1198 Superbikes and Streetfighters with some quite impressive results, but that's another story on another forum.

Greg.
www.waspworks.com (http://)
 

Thank you for the welcome.

I am happy to answer all logical and relevant questions but I must tread lightly until I can contact the administration of this forum and discuss becoming a vendor.

I am not interested in entering into shit fights and will only present the (dyno proven) facts.
I am happy to talk (via pm or e-mail through representatives) about group buy discounts but will not expend too much energy justifying costs to people who jump on threads and slam products before they even know full details..
If people think they can do something better or cheaper,,, Great - DO IT and stop talking about it... [bang]

I look forward to being a part of this community for a long time as I have been (and will continue to be) part of the Sport Classic community.

No worries about the prompt e-mail reply.. I always try to bowl over all e-mail enquiry's quickly as they gather up (very fast) if I do not.
Having said that, e-mail is by far the quickest and most guarenteed way of contacting me.

Greg
www.waspworks.com (http://) (http://)  

god i hope he wasnt talking about me on the shit talking.

i just would like to see the results with some higher wind speeds than 62mph.

The heads where done before i switched from airbox to Pod's , my 900 has about 86 hp rearwheel
I hope every thing will work out fine with the Wasp kit , but get a before and after dyno , without numbers you don't know a thing

Welcome Wasp!!

Thanks for jumping in to clarify any doubts with your kits.

I look forward to seeing the before and after results for the 1100 kit.

As you know the US economy is crap and we're all poor so some sort of group discount would be pretty amazing.  :D

Greg, you mentioned that you are testing an 1100 with a stock ecu and stock exhaust with your kit. Is it safe to assume that your kit would also work on a bike with a full exhaust and stock ECU?

 [thumbsup]

so this completely replaces the airbox? any pics of how it looks? im confused on how the ecu fits in there, maybe i need to read through it again.

also, will it work with a dp ecu?

Look at the first page for pics of the stock 696 airbox and the with the wasp kit installed.

Remove the 696 tank covers and tank to understand where everything mounts. On a 696 the "tank" is really the intake and airbox. In reality you are sitting on majority of the gas because the actual tank is underneath the seat.

yeah i knew that, just wondering about the airbox, and what this all is. Ive seen older monsters with the airbox removed, is that was this is doing? what about the ram air on the tank? nothing now?

ok just looke again, that is crazy. any pics of the completed bike? what is this like $1000? 1200 or something?

as it stands currently about 1350AUD =~ 1175US.  I'm sure that if enough people show interest in the US we could either work out a central import spot (to save on international shipping), or get Wasp to work out something

i know i know, i just scanned through it, been a while since i was online. anyways, too much $$ for me.

Well, dont forget that this package also comes with the PC5 and all the other little goodies in the package...

And while many people pay that much $$$ for a new exhaust system, this package makes a whole lot more HP...

Their dyno shows that the termi system only made 1 HP and 1 lbs of torque over stock... Yet, this system bumped it up 7 HP and 4 lbs of torque.

So.... dollar for dollar this system is a whole lot better HP and TQ wise than the termi system.....

combined with a good free flowing exhaust system such as my awesome under-seat exhaust, this could produce some even better results.

I plan on buying one as soon as they are out, and having a local shop(power commander certified) tune and dyno my bike once I do

I emailed Wasp.
Checking to see if they have any intake bits for carbed Monsters. Found nothing on the site.
I enquired if they had a bell mouth/velocity stack thingo that would go on the end of a carb.

Is it the PC5 that makes the power or is it those velocity stack thingys.

And the exhaust does more then just make power doesnt it? The fuel is added to make the bike more rideable so the curve should change as well... it also unlocks the O2 sensor area that the PC5 cant adjust.

Still makes me wonder why people are crunching cost per HP and all that when we're talking about 2v motors that arent used for racing.

For a motorhead like me it's not about being the fastest, I would have bough a sbk for that. It's about building a machine that is mine. Making it the best it can possibly be, something unique.

As far as dollar to hp the comparison to termi's makes perfect sense. People are spending $1300 to gain 1hp and 1tq and have their bike sound cool......This kit gives a major performance increase adds to the experience visually, and audibly, not to mention through the ass dyno. So what makes more sense, $1175 for real gains or $1300 for a "toomuchmoney" sticker.

termis atw

I cannot argue with your logic.  [roll]

More air into bike=more power(fuel/air are combined in combustion chamber, which ignites... The more of both, the more power)
Allowing exhaust to exit engine more quickly=more power

The PC5 just helps the ECU regulate how much fuel the engine gets when more air is added into the bike.... An open intake with much more, less restricted air coming into it would be too lean unless the computer was adding more fuel to compensate... The PC5 tells the engine to add more throughout the power curve and optimizes how much fuel is added to allow the most power.

So yes, it helps with power... But doesn't create it necessarily... You need the most amount of air/fuel into the combustion chamber to create power..

Who cares if it's a 2V bike... I mod because it's fun... Results are fun to see/feel/hear and this package allows that

Im not here to argue anything, im just pointing out my views.

If you had the Pod filters  + PCV and that pooped out 5hp then hte vstacks dont make a  big impact.


Kinda contradictory here. Just buy whatever makes you happy. I dont care how people spend their money if they have it. Im pretty jealous when I see those bikes and maybe ill be able to burn cash one day, but right now im poor, so the only thing that pisses me off is seeing a moded bike that never gets ridden. So as long as you ride that thing, i dont care if its $190 per hp. or $2000 per hp. As long as its not sitting in a garage collecting dust.

Two hour fathers day ride yesterday. If it's dry I'm ridin'

 [thumbsup]

 [moto]

I ride the piss out of mine when I'm not working.  Nowhere safe (and affordable) to park near the job. I commuted on it all last year when I had a safe parking place (including rain and mild snow).  

I track it often, and I have aspirations to throw it down against SVs and the likes when I can afford taking the race classes and picking up that licence. With proper rearsets/clipons/suspension it's as close to a supersport 1100 you can get (my goal purchasing it).

Airbox kit, cams -- which i picked up 1 week after getting my valves/belts done, so they're on the shelf till winter....if only I had picked them up a few days sooner --, port/polish, it should handle lightweight superbike against ss900s, ss1000s, sv650s like a champ.  I think the chasis is much more composed than any of the others (having ridden them all).  It's geared alittle short, so it suffers on straights.  alittle more top end, and I can use a smaller rear sprocket to keep the top end competitive.

Sounds pretty boss!

I ride EVERY day I can. Already put 1,000 miles on her since April. Kind of sucks at the same time because before you know it I'll have a high mileage bike  :( Which means it will be time to turn it into a track bike WOOT

O.K - I have been meaning to post up here since our M1100 install on Friday but have been so busy that I have not been able to find the time.. Still short of time at the moment in fact specially considering that I cant work out how to up-load pics and graphs.

As discussed previously, the recipient bike was a bog stock standard M1100 with std exhaust (including cat) and ECU.
At 10,500kms the bike would be considered well and truely run in and it must have been "well" run in because it was a FREAK with a registered 94.6bhp and 75.5lbs tq.
A quick PUK install later and the new figures are 98.6bhp and 80.5lbs tq.
More impressive is the 7.5bhp and 6lbs tq increase at the 5000rpm range.
Not the "peak" figures that we normally get with free breathing exhausts, but pretty bloody healthy with standard exhaust + cat + ECU.

I have heaps of pics and graphs and even some video footage..
Can some one advise how images are up-loaded on this forum????

Greg.

okay that makes me want this set up. [bow_down]


so, i haven't done ANY math before typing this, but, will this get my 696 up to about tha same HP as an 1100 stocker?

Hmm, factory numbers are (rated at the crank)

1100            696
95hp            80hp
79.5tq          51tq

I'm not sure of the WHP numbers on these two bikes but It's probably safe to assume a 10% powerloss. This is purely based on my small block chevy building experience and power loss from crank to wheels on a bike may be different.

If 10% is remotely close to actual loss than we can expect to see maybe 7-8 HP gain at the crank...

So a 696 with this kit installed having 87-88HP at the crank is moving closer towards the 95hp on the 1100. With some more work you could have a 696 running 1100 numbers. THIS to me is extremely exciting.

O.K
So you just swipe the address tag from a page/pic that you want to post up and stick it between the insert img tags...
like so..
Test.. If this works i'll just need to see my web guy about an area within WaspWorks were I can dump these pics and info for copying.
(http://www.waspworks.com/images/exhausts/Wasp_DSC_EXHAUST1.jpg)

Greg.

Test successful, pic works.

(only posted this so you knew it was not displayed via cache on your pc...)

Exactly, works fine.
Keep`em cummin....

Get that guy a full system (or get another donor), so we can see what she can really do!
(i'll allow you to fly here, and install it on mine for free in order to give the proper dyno numbers )  [thumbsup]

You can fly here and test on mine too.  The wifey wouldn't let me get the full system cause she didn't like the looks, so I've got the DP ECU + CF Slipons... come and get it  [evil]

hey maybe providus will offer free WASP systems once you get one ;)

quoted from eslewhere:
"Greg and myself have worked together on this project and we haven't done a std bike M696 yet.Only bike in std trim was the M1100. So if there is any one in Perth or Bunbury in Western Australia looking to buy a kit and have a free twin cylinder dyno tune, the time has come.

The bikes we need are a Std M696 and a Termi Equiped M1100."

ung, call them up, so i can get this sooner   ;D

thought australia was an island ;) you're only as close as the next left turn or so

Closer than mine! (not much)

when you said "I'm just over the...." I assumed it wasn't slightly exaggerated just.

[popcorn]

they definitely like to build suspense

Yes there are a lot of 696 with just the slip on pipes & stock ecu waiting for the holy grail ! Hurry up.

Just got an email from them today...

7-10 days for release... They are just making the install manual

Heading down to Bunbury on the dyno again tomorrow. Just doing the final run through on the instructions. We have a bike in for PUK, and we will fit it by doing as the instructions say. Rather than just bolting up the kit going by feel. Modifying any wording that is incorrect or not detailed enough and adding a few extra photo's if required.
The kit should be installed by a qualified ducati mechanic.
The detailed (down loadable) 100 or so step by step procedure with accompanied photos will help you make the decision, to see if you think you are capable or not of the PUK install.
So after a day on the dyno tomorrow we will have the following combinations... Tuned on Dynojet Tuning Link.

M696 Termi Mufflers, race ecu and WASPWORKS Intake Kit.
M1100 Termi Mufflers, race ecu and WASPWORKS Intake Kit.
M1100 Open style slip-on mufflers, Standard ecu and WASPWORKS Intake kit.
M1100 Std mufflers,standard ecu and WASPWORKS Intake kit.
All twin cylinder tunes.....

Will keep you all posted.

P.S - we are not trying to build suspense.. Just trying to get a very large job done.

Greg.

anyone do this yet? pictures?

it's not for sale yet, but VERY close...or so we hear

Yup, you can follow this thread as well, Wasp appears to be much more active in this forum.

http://www.ducati.ms/forums/showthread.php?s=3efa404a37680647eb1013cf1dc7171b&t=88258 (http://www.ducati.ms/forums/showthread.php?s=3efa404a37680647eb1013cf1dc7171b&t=88258)

I can't wait to order this kit. I plan on placing the order as soon as the kit becomes available.

Greg what's the word? I checked the WASP web page and don't see a kit for the 1100.

Sorry guys,, patience just a little bit more.
I have a heap of kits I must get finished and out the door (waiting on the anodizing and stainless mount pressing) then I can finish the manuals and get the kits up on the site.
The folks at the SC forum think I have fallen off the face of the earth I have been so busy..

Greg.

Awesome work!

Good news.

btw greg, i'mm willing to take a free 696 set up as charity.

x2 and I'll ship you a few cases of beer...

Is this thread still alive? Still waiting to hear any news. Nothing on Waps's website yet.

The guys from Wasp are running alittle later than anticipated from what they've said elsewhere...it's coming, we just need to sit tight. 

What? You mean you dont have your WASP PUK yet?  [evil]  

http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=28586.msg738771#msg738771 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=28586.msg738771#msg738771)

go get your dyno done, so I can use your map, and feel more ok about waiting until november-ish to do the cams and re-tune.

only half the hard work.  Once the cams go in, it's back to the dyno...you're just giving me a few extra weeks of riding, without staring at the PUK kit on the shelf next to the cams, and belt rollers.

although, i am thinking more and more that the boom tubes might be worth a swap too....

^ >:(

...and I was so close to convincing myself that I wouldn't buy any more mods for my monster. 

I emailed Greg yesterday about the new ability to have 696/1100 ecu's reflashed and modified here in the US. I'm curious to see if the reflash ability adds more options for tuning through the ecu and not the PCV.

Needless to say I'll be reflashing to DP spec most likely and buying one of these kits as soon as Waspworks opens up ordering to us Americans. So far only those greedy Australians (ung)  have had a shot at getting the kit  ;D

yeah lucky england sent your ancestors to a 'deserted' island instead of hanging them

Low blow 

Us 'mericans have a similar story, we just weren't ALL criminals.

 8)

True, but I cleaned up, left those days behind me. Now I'm a man or morals and such. I only break the law legally.
 [evil]

Hey ungeheuer are you hard at work on the work computer? [evil]
I'm at least on an RDO [roll]

See in the land of opportunity given time, your 'business' becomes 'legit' [evil].

Now I'm just being silly. It's my day off, shit I better get back to working around the house. [bang]

Any updates on this???  When can I place my order!?!   [drool]

+1

Just got a monster 796

any info on release date 

Its been suggested by respected sources elsewhere on the board that replacing the airbox with pod filters actually decreases power output  >>  http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=43007.msg772119#msg772119 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=43007.msg772119#msg772119)
<< I struggle to understand how that could be at all possible, but since it comes from entirely reliable sources I felt the need to fly the kite....

Greg or Todd care to comment?

If you read a few more posts down from the one you linked to it states that proved to be true on a 4V duc (i.e. S4R, Streetfighter, etc) and only slightly.  I believe this to be just the opposite for 2V ducs (i.e. S2R, 696, etc) but don't feel up to looking for the thread with the dyno results for an S2R or 900 plus it may have been on TOB/DML.  I've been meaning to run a dyno pull on my bike just to see what my mods have done but haven't been able to as of yet.  IIRC it was a hp reduction of about 2hp on the 4V ducs and an improvement of about 4hp on the 2V.

Okay, I was curious and found some info via google.  Didn't bother looking for the threads either here on the DMF or over on the DML though.

According to these dyno pull images from the TPO site it was about an increase of around 4-5 horses on a modified 750 and 900 and they state that it is an increase of 10 horses from stock but don't have any dyno pulls posted for that:
(http://www.tpoparts.com/images/Beast_dyno1.jpg)
(http://www.tpoparts.com/images/Beast_dyno2.jpg)

And according to this guy on ducati.ms who installed a PCV and Wasp kit he got an increase of about 6 horses on his 696:
http://www.ducati.ms/forums/42-monster/88258-monster-ous-bee-haitch-pee-kit.html (http://www.ducati.ms/forums/42-monster/88258-monster-ous-bee-haitch-pee-kit.html)
http://www.ducati.ms/forums/attachments/monster/69557d1275480976-monster-ous-bee-haitch-pee-kit-ducati-m696-termi-bike-waspworks-puk-bhp.pdf (http://www.ducati.ms/forums/attachments/monster/69557d1275480976-monster-ous-bee-haitch-pee-kit-ducati-m696-termi-bike-waspworks-puk-bhp.pdf)
http://www.ducati.ms/forums/attachments/monster/69558d1275480976-monster-ous-bee-haitch-pee-kit-ducati-m696-termi-bike-waspworks-puk-trqe.pdf (http://www.ducati.ms/forums/attachments/monster/69558d1275480976-monster-ous-bee-haitch-pee-kit-ducati-m696-termi-bike-waspworks-puk-trqe.pdf)

I also like mattc7's explanation of the difference between 2V/4V and Pod filters only versus Pod filters with Velocity Stacks on the second page of that thread:

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=43007.msg772418#msg772418 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=43007.msg772418#msg772418)

So have any of these kits made it stateside yet? Their website constantly says "sold out".

No idea, the company sort of dropped off the face of the earth now..

Probably too much demand for a small business to handle.

I did the contact form via their site a few weeks back and the reply I got implied they were fairly close to "reopening".  Corporate legalities etc.  I think   Greg also implied that the manufaturing stuff was still all in place but that they didnt have a test bike at present to assure a proper tune.

I do hope they have have their shit sorted by the time I'm ready to purchase. Tho I'll likely be going the tuning route that Ung took with the PC.V dual O2 sensor autotune + Rexxer bit... I REALLY REALLY wish their was a tuning option for Ducatis that works like the TTS Mastertune unit available for Harleys. Hell that product alone is easily half of why Harley isn't utterly ruled out for my purchase in the spring.

Hi Matt.
Wow, talk about underestimating the time required to set the business up.
In all fareness we have been extremely busy with other work and this has taken the slow road.
We are just finalizing the insurance details now and I hope we will be ready in the coming weeks.
We will post on the forums as soon as we approach a shipping date.
 
Hang in there.
 
Regards,

got reply from wasp today..



at least they're still there.  hopefully soon.  Although, it looks like a race between when TPO comes out, and when wasp does.

I like the wasp product more, but time frame and price are considerations

9 months or a year ago looked like the sweet spot for the exchange rates... Nobody wants our green toilet paper any more :p

Im tired of waiting on these guys! I thought by now id have a wasp kit on my bike by now. does another company make pod filters for the 696 i searched here and googled it w/ no results!   [bang]

Nothing bolt on.

TPO beast kits will require custom brackets.  They had said that before 2011 they've have a kit out. Looks like they had to delay

Duc Shop's hyper stacks are the other option.  Still need to build custom brackets to hit it.

Neither of these are PCV inclusive, so mapping is required

Thanks Matt I have the DP ecu, not too worried about the PCv. I saw the BEAST kit that would work ill get in touch w/ them and see if they have something coming out. [beer]

dp ecu for the siemens bikes isn't going to be tuneable.  Pod filters drastically change airflow.

kind of a waste to do the pods and not tune it properly, probably even lose power and rideability

looks like the PCv is in order then. I sent TPO an email, see what they say

For anyone intrested the TPO BEAST kit will work on the new monsters. TPO is working on the brackets necessary for everything that is attached to the airbox. Allan at TPO told me the beast kit would work if i wanted one now id have to make the brackets myself. Ill wait and see what they come out with. [drink]

so why wont this kit work with a DP ECU?

it would, you would just need to get the PC V tuned for the DP map

just received an email from TPO this morning, should be ready in a few weeks for the new monsters. DP ECU works, but he doesn't recommend it if you dont already have it.


anyways here is what he said.

"Yes, it will be available soon.  We have all the design work done, we are working out the final production details so we can offer you these kits at a reasonable price.  The new model Monsters 696. 796, and 1100 require a lot more complex brackets than the previous generation of Monsters did.  We're getting those made up and the kits should be available in a couple of weeks.

I have added your Email address to my waiting list.  I will Email you the moment the kits are ready.

yes, the kits will work with the DP ECU, though the DP ECU is not required.  I generally recommend a 3rd-party tuning device such as the Power Commander as they are much more cost effective than the DP ECU.  There's nothing wrong with the DP unit per se, it's simply very costly!

Allan
www.tpoparts.com (http://)"

unless you got the route of the Rexxer or the like, the biggest advantage of the DP ECU is a more agressive base mapping with higher RPM limits.

Add the TPO kit with a PC V to deal with the extra fuel need for the extra air you'll be getting and you're golden

even if you don't get the DP Map (via the Rexxer) or ECU then you still need a PC V to deal with the extra air.

the final way would be to get a custom Map via a Rexxer or the like that deals with the TPO filters. but you would need a dyno for that.

with the PC V, TPO should provide either a base ECU map or DP ECU map for the PC V

lots of variables really

set a budget than work the best solution within that

i wonder what it does to fuel economy. doesn't matter i guess, i fi get there faster...

Fuel economy [thumbsdown]

but lets say we get a gain of maybe 4bhp right? what will that feel like at the wheel? a lot more? i honestly dont know

Look on the first few pages of the thread, post-install HP results are there. If I remember correctly with the wasp kit you gain ~6bhp on a 696 and 3 or 4 on an 1100? I could remember wrong though.

IMO the most noticeable improvement (I'm talking WASP with PCV) is not so much how much more power you notice - although it is there - its mainly in the linear way it now gives what its got that I appreciate and enjoy the most.

And if you're worried about fuel economy...... dont twist the throttle  ;).

Any more word from WASP? Any more comments on the TPO kits? Are they available for 696's? What is this Rexxer I have seen mentioned?

Updates are thus:

TPO says days away, this is weeks ago.

Wasp says days away, this is last week.

both options are going to be great, as soon as they are there.

Ducshop is available still, however you need the bracket DoWorkSon is making (or similar), which is 2 weeks away-ish.  (but, more reliably so I think).

Rexxer is a device which changes the map on your ecu. 

This translates into:

TPO - 1-3 months

Wasp - 3-6 months

I'd be amazed if wasp ever got their kits rolling out the door again, in any significant number anyway. I e-mailed TPO almost 2 months ago and they said at the time "2 weeks" so who the hell knows...

OUR bracket IS on its way, and production is only being delayed by how busy the shop we are contracting with is.  Our 2 weeks or so is a legitimate 2 weeks or so.

I wasn't trying to say it wasn't coming in that time-frame.  Sorry if it came off that way.  I think it is more reliably available than either other option.

I can't figure out whether I want to try picking up some Beast -R stacks/filters etc, and hope they fit under the tank, or just go for ducshop stacks.  I am really interested in the wasp stuff, but with the Aus Dollar doing much better against the american now, I am beginning to wonder whether they are as much different as they are priced. I know the R&D is in them, but with no US retailer, international shipping, plus exchange will not be as nice as it once was.

Choices, choices!

So Greg is still making products for Ducatis?  I thought I had read (a while back) that the threw in that towel to focus on other things.

Yeah, It was an ETA of two weeks on June 9th, 2010. Oh, just about a year ago.

Cool

Question: is the DP ecu the one that comes with the termi kit?

HA HA hey wasp. this is great.
 [popcorn]

Lol I take it it's been slow to production or some such? Looks cool enough if they can get it rolling fully,

Can we lock this thread too, please? Seems only fair since the other thread was locked...

LOL just noticed that. Thanks Aaron  :-\

a lock next to that other thread with zero explanation... very DML of us...

How's this?

we have two non sponsors dick swinging...

make the beast with two backs that.

I'm tired of all your whiney assed bullshit.