Got a good job now, but I just can't really wait for it to 'take off' as the manager promised. Plus, it's the same old mechanical fixin' I've been doing for years...w/zero new mental challenges.
Took a better job this morning! Less $ initially, but after a year...current job won't be able to touch it. Benefits, office, workin' my grey-matter instead of my muscles... Nice. [thumbsup]
Current job has invested in me heavily w/regard to employment costs, tools, supposedly uniforms have been ordered, there's talk of business cards, and my company credit card showed up today... I've been w/this job for 3 weeks and their corporate offices are out of state.
I am feeling a bit guilty w/regard to my decision to leave, but hey...seriously?
I'm an 'at will' employee... (checked the manual)
They could let me go at any time...
I can go at any time...
I have no familial support so I *have* to make it here in this state by myself... (got my DMF support though!) [bacon]
Nothing about those 4 statements is making me feel less guilty (or by an appreciable amount).
Here's where y'all come in: How would you put it to the current job that their only employee in this state is quitting in 2 weeks?
I appreciate all that you have done for me, but I have been offered another job that will allow me to
utilize all the skills that I have developed over my lifetime.
Tell 'em your van broke down and you can't afford to fix it because the hours aren't there yet and you can't wait for things to "take off" as they keep promising.
Or just tell them you got a cushier job for better pay. Ask them if they can do $10.00 more an hour than what they're currently paying you and guarantee you 40 hrs a week starting now.
When they say no, there's 7 little words you have to say:
I'm sorry, there's nothing I can do.
Repeat this in response to whatever they come back with.
[evil]
;) :D ;D
[bacon]
Hire a barbershop quartet to sing them the news!
Tell them that you had applied for a variety of jobs when you first landed in ABQ including a long-shot one in your chosen field that you did not expect to pan out and you had dismissed as a possibility.
But since it has come in,, you cannot in good conscience pass it up as you will always wonder how it would have worked out.
And this opportunity has unfortunately placed you in a position where staying put would be a disservice to both yourself and them (your current employer).
Let them rant rave or do whatever they choose to do...it is not your concern...if they are less than gracious make the beast with two backs them anyway,
remember this at all times....to thine own self be true.....nothing is more important
don't live your life according to how others feel about you...that is a recipe for misery and resentment
put on the thick skin for this one
^^^ What Rat said, pay no attention to my suggestion. :D
I have found in my own life ,no matter how hard it may be to tell the truth, it is always better to tell the truth. If you remain true to what you believe and what you know to be true then you will succeed in whatever endeavor you set your hand to. Congratulations on your new job! [thumbsup]
Quote from: badgalbetty on June 24, 2010, 09:00:14 PM
I have found in my own life ,no matter how hard it may be to tell the truth, it is always better to tell the truth. [thumbsup]
a lot easier than trying to remember what particular crock of shit you had previously fed to someone....
"web-of-lies management" is mentally exhausting...
or as they say...
you never have to remember what you said if you told the truth
Quote from: badgalbetty on June 24, 2010, 09:00:14 PM
I have found in my own life ,no matter how hard it may be to tell the truth, it is always better to tell the truth.
well said.
the reality is, yeah, your current employer may be a little pissed, but they'll get over it. you gotta do what's best for you b/c no one else will. if they give you a hard time about it, that's their problem, not yours. if the tables were turned and you had a good guy working for you who left to pursue a much better opportunity, you wouldn't take it personally or hold it against him, right? you'd be understanding and wish him well.
don't be so hard on yourself. the reality is you're a good employee just for thinking about things this way. there are a lot of people who, in your shoes, would simply stop showing up and resign via a voicemail to their boss.
congrats on finding a new gig!
Congratulations on a better job - you deserve it [thumbsup]
You must have challenges, or else you stop living. That's who you are - we all know that.
The problem you're expressing is just proof you're a caring person. Nothing wrong with that.
Write them a poem:
Roses are red
violets are blue
I got a better job
and I'm leaving.
;D
Congrats! [thumbsup]
i say get really drunk and call your boss.
it'll come out eventually.
Quote from: Duck-Stew on June 24, 2010, 07:44:48 PMI'm an 'at will' employee...
They could let me go at any time...
I can go at any time...
If it suited them to let you go, do you think they'd be wringing their hands wondering how to break it to you ???? You'd be out on your arse. Thanks very much. Piss off.
This is the free market. In which you just made a better bargain. "Thankyou. However I intend to terminate my employment as @....." Is all that's required IMHO.
Quote from: stopintime on June 24, 2010, 11:49:08 PM
Congratulations on a better job - you deserve it [thumbsup]
You must have challenges, or else you stop living. That's who you are - we all know that.
The problem you're expressing is just proof you're a caring person. Nothing wrong with that.
Thanks Lars! I guess I hadn't looked at my relationship w/challenges before like that but you're right. I'm ALWAYS pushing some envelope...
Quote from: KnightofNi on June 25, 2010, 03:58:07 AM
i say get really drunk and call your boss.
it'll come out eventually.
Quit drinkin' so that's out...
Quote from: DucofWestwood on June 24, 2010, 09:21:22 PM
well said.
the reality is, yeah, your current employer may be a little pissed, but they'll get over it. you gotta do what's best for you b/c no one else will. if they give you a hard time about it, that's their problem, not yours. if the tables were turned and you had a good guy working for you who left to pursue a much better opportunity, you wouldn't take it personally or hold it against him, right? you'd be understanding and wish him well.
don't be so hard on yourself. the reality is you're a good employee just for thinking about things this way. there are a lot of people who, in your shoes, would simply stop showing up and resign via a voicemail to their boss.
congrats on finding a new gig!
True that! ^^^ Yeah, ^^^ that right there!
Quote from: zzilla on June 24, 2010, 08:09:22 PM
Hire a barbershop quartet to sing them the news!
Hmmmm.... Not bad. But probably a might expensive...
Quote from: kopfjäger on June 24, 2010, 07:54:50 PM
I appreciate all that you have done for me, but I have been offered another job that will allow me to
utilize all the skills that I have developed over my lifetime.
That's actually quite succinct! I'll surely use part of that...
Quote from: RAT900 on June 24, 2010, 08:42:03 PM
Tell them that you had applied for a variety of jobs when you first landed in ABQ including a long-shot one in your chosen field that you did not expect to pan out and you had dismissed as a possibility.
But since it has come in,, you cannot in good conscience pass it up as you will always wonder how it would have worked out.
And this opportunity has unfortunately placed you in a position where staying put would be a disservice to both yourself and them (your current employer).
Let them rant rave or do whatever they choose to do...it is not your concern...if they are less than gracious make the beast with two backs them anyway,
remember this at all times....to thine own self be true.....nothing is more important
don't live your life according to how others feel about you...that is a recipe for misery and resentment
put on the thick skin for this one
I agree... I have to do what's right for me, cuz nobody else will...
Quote from: ungeheuer on June 25, 2010, 04:14:05 AM
If it suited them to let you go, do you think they'd be wringing their hands wondering how to break it to you ???? You'd be out on your arse. Thanks very much. Piss off.
This is the free market. In which you just made a better bargain. "Thankyou. However I intend to terminate my employment as @....." Is all that's required IMHO.
True. If it suited them, I'd be gone w/o any deliberation either!
Quote from: Duck-Stew on June 25, 2010, 05:00:51 AM
True. If it suited them, I'd be gone w/o any deliberation either!
Exactly.
It sounds like your present job is doing for you what they said they would. What type of verbal commitment did you make to company A when they hired you?
unless you said "i will work for you till the day i die forever no matter what" then you have no comittment to them.
its a job.
if you are an at will employee leave without any notice if you really want.
tell them thanks and here is my 2 week notice. like others say, its a free agency market, that is what the situation is, unless you have a working contract that says you have to work there for a certain time and they have to keep you no matter what, then like you said its terminable AT WILL meaning at anytime you damn well want it to end.
Just don't expect your current job to ever like you or ever talk to you ever again or think of you in a good way, that is not their obligation.
Quote from: hbliam on June 25, 2010, 05:16:47 AM
It sounds like your present job is doing for you what they said they would. What type of verbal commitment did you make to company A when they hired you?
I made no commitment to them. I let them infer that I was a guy who wanted to help develop this new market for them, but nothing was expressly said.
Quote from: hbliam on June 25, 2010, 05:16:47 AM
It sounds like your present job is doing for you what they said they would. What type of verbal commitment did you make to company A when they hired you?
That is irrelevant if you are calling Company A his current employer, not the new one.
Lots of good advice has already been given.
Just make sure to give them 2wks notice so, if they are nice, you will stay in the good graces of them and it is common courtesy to give that amount of time.
If they really like you.......they might promote you quicker, throw you more $$$, and get you to stay.
I wouldn't rule that option out unless you really want the other job.
a song and a dance helps
*sung to Camptown ladies
Stewart packed his bags today....do da..do da
He wont be here like yesterday.... all the do da day
;)
Here's my email:
QuoteH&*^%,
When I arrived in Albuquerque in late April I had employment lined up w/a local motorcycle shop. Knowing that the winter time would find me laid off, I applied to many different positions across the gambit of my experience including one long-shot position. I heard back from a few and chose to work with (Company A) because it was the most advantageous position offered to me at that time. I was unsure if I could survive the ramp-up period of the position w/(Company A) but I gambled on it and so far it has paid off.
I appreciate all that you have done for me, but yesterday, I received a call from the long-shot job, and they have made a stronger offer to attain my services. I have accepted that job offer and am hereby putting in my two weeks notice of termination of employment.
I know you have invested heavily in my future employment with regard to tools and set-up costs and although there is nothing that can be done about the set-up costs, I have no nefarious intentions with regard to the tools (Company A) has purchased an entrusted to my possession. I can either house them here to be distributed to the new employee, or if you'd like I can return them to (Company A) for your distribution at a later date. I am here to assist with the set-up of (Company A) in NM for the next two weeks but my new employment starts July 8th.
Regretfully,
--R. Stuart Baker
As an employer, I'd advise you to just be honest and let them know your plans as soon as possible. I just lost a promising young engineer who wanted to work as a paramedic. He was honest with me while he was making his choice. I even helped him with his job search and gave a strong recommendation largely based on his integrity.
Bosses aren't necessarily assholes. I've had several employees that left to pursue other options. In every case, just like the one mentioned above, they were clear and honest and the parting was amicable. I'm very selective in who I hire and I've had great luck. Although I hate to lose anyone, I could never begrudge someone for their personal choice.
Offer to help with the transition if your new employment allows. This will help your old boss and, most likely, impress your new boss.
added: Looks like your email took care of it well enough. Good luck.
i'd maybe adjust your second paragraph unless you are trying to get them to throw more $$ at you.
Thank them for what they have done, but I would leave out the long-shot job and stronger offer.
just my $0.02 on that, but the rest of it is very well written [thumbsup]
Congrats on the new job, Stu. Well written letter that was professional and honest. I personally hate burning bridges-the world is way too small and you never know who you'll be running into again.
I think you should walk into the office in a gorilla suit with a pink tu-tu and start doing a completely new rendition with dance number of "So Long, Farewell..." from the Sound of Music and they might just freely let you go thinking about what kind of mental sanity and gone postal situations they saved themselves from.....
Ive always liked the idea of giving your two week notice this way...
"In two weeks, you're going to notice I havent been here for two weeks."
When Polpetta was running the car dealer ship her boss (the guy whose job she was doing because he was too much of an idiot to do it himself [roll] ) liked to replace actuall managerial skill with flying off the handle every few months to assert his authority. During one tirade he asked her to ask herself is she still wanted to work there. When she came home and told me the story I asked her, "Well, do you still want to work there anymore?" She said she hasn't wanted to work there for 5 years. So I told her to quit and we'd figure the money out. A couple of weeks later her boss was being a dick again and she told me about it. I told her, listen either you go quit or I'm going to go piss on that mothermake the beast with two backser's desk. Knowing I was completely serious, she quit that week and has been happy for it everyday since.
My point? Pee on your boss's desk because that would make an awesome story! When you are old all you will have is the stories you can tell.
sac
Hahaha.... Oh, SacDuc... You're so funny... Although I am driving out to CA to deliver the custom bike I'm re-wiring for a friend, and *will* be passing through that area, it's simply not worth my time.
I guess the moral here is that you should never underestimate the power of a urine stream!
Quote from: SacDuc on June 25, 2010, 08:40:22 AM
My point? Pee on your boss's desk because that would make an awesome story! When you are old all you will have is the stories you can tell.
sac
I thought the point of the story was that if you are unhappy...you get sac to go and pee on your boss's desk so that you have a hilarious story for the rest of your days...
WAIT! I just now put it together... Thanks Zooom!!!
My boss is in CA, SacDuc is in CA... IT'S PERFECT! :o
Quote from: Duck-Stew on June 25, 2010, 08:53:00 AM
WAIT! I just now put it together... Thanks Zooom!!!
My boss is in CA, SacDuc is in CA... IT'S PERFECT! :o
What's his address? [evil]
sac
Quote from: Duck-Stew on June 25, 2010, 08:53:00 AM
WAIT! I just now put it together... Thanks Zooom!!!
My boss is in CA, SacDuc is in CA... IT'S PERFECT! :o
hey sac, wanna make $5 the hard way?
Quote from: KnightofNi on June 25, 2010, 09:05:55 AM
hey sac, wanna make $5 the hard way?
I'll only charge you $2.50 there little guy.
sac
SWEET!
(got change for a $100?!?)
Will he travel to Seattle?
Quote from: zooom on June 25, 2010, 08:51:46 AM
I thought the point of the story was that if you are unhappy...you get sac to go and pee on your boss's desk so that you have a hilarious story for the rest of your days...
Quote from: bobspapa on June 25, 2010, 06:08:36 AM
a song and a dance helps
*sung to Camptown ladies
Stewart packed his bags today....do da..do da
He wont be here like yesterday.... all the do da day
;)
This one is better
(http://venturebeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/johnnypaycheck.jpg)
or dont say anything and just wear this to work
(http://bigjournalism.com/files/2010/01/i-quit-my-job-shirt.jpg)
Quote from: Duck-Stew on June 25, 2010, 08:53:00 AM
WAIT! I just now put it together... Thanks Zooom!!!
My boss is in CA, SacDuc is in CA... IT'S PERFECT! :o
no problem...don't forget to tip your sac as much as possible and try the veal!
[laugh] [clap] [cheeky] [clap] [laugh]
The banter was good
Quote from: Duck-Stew on June 25, 2010, 09:12:00 AM
SWEET!
(got change for a $100?!?)
Chris Rock in "I'm Gonna Git You, Sucka!" FTW!!! ;D
[bacon]
(http://thestockmasters.com/files/u1/chris-rock-one.jpg)
Congrats on the new job...
[thumbsup] [beer]
Quote from: Duck-Stew on June 25, 2010, 05:27:21 AM
I made no commitment to them. I let them infer that I was a guy who wanted to help develop this new market for them, but nothing was expressly said.
Then I would do just as you did.
Quote from: sbrguy on June 25, 2010, 05:24:52 AM
unless you said "i will work for you till the day i die forever no matter what" then you have no comittment to them.
its a job.
That's the type of attitude that keeps people in jobs (several of them) and out of careers.
Quote from: cyrus buelton on June 25, 2010, 06:08:12 AM
That is irrelevant if you are calling Company A his current employer, not the new one.
It's not irrelevant to people that keep their commitments. I have come to believe that Stu is that type of people.
Integrity and your word are always worth more then a few extra bucks. If a commitment is made you keep it unless the other side fails to keep their end of the deal.
your concern for the employers feelings should be directly proportional to how bad they would feel about letting you go.
Congrats on the awesome gig, Stu!!!
[drink] [beer] [bacon]
I have nothing to add to all the great advice already given.
Looks like I'm a bit late to the party here, but having left several jobs, a few things happen:
They're always butt hurt and you're the bad guy (so be it). Especially if you move to a competitor.
Never mention the new employer in your exit/resignation letter.
Do not sign your resignation "regretfully" try something more upbeat, or just Stu.
Thank them for what they did for you and leave it at that.
You signed no agreement to work there so as you said, "at will." Trust me never sign an agreement for employment it can suck to stick by your word sometimes.
If you are sure you aren't going to go sniveling back for the job if the new one isn't all the glamour and cocaine and groupies that they promised, just go take a dump on the bosses desk. Snort a big line off the secretaries boobs, and say AMF.
Or you could just give two weeks notice (every job I've ever given 2 weeks notice to has asked me to leave right then, I guess it would be really easy for $5000 in carbide end mills to walk out the door over two week's, but I'm not like that), say thanks, and see ya.
Boss man is pretty cool about it so far. We missed each others phone calls today, but we'll talk on Monday.
Hmmm... I *do* have over $4000 in company tools and a company credit card at my disposal... Nah. Shit like that always finds me...
What, Stew, you don't like to hear that "COP KNOCK"? BAM, BAM, BAM.
got my new corporate ID card photo taken last month
camera guy and a line of people waiting their turn and watching
he did the face-on photo
and I then turned left for the profile shot
took a second for them to get it
but when I grinned it got a laugh
I know that I don't know what you're talking about, RAT.
;)
well here's something that you hadn't thought about.
they already know because they read the internet
Just got off the phone w/the boss and he's disappointed, but cool with it.
I'm going to stay on the payroll until the new hire is up to speed in case I can be of more assistance. I also offered to house the tools and transfer them to the new employee when he/she gets hired and up to speed and he was cool with that.
All-in-all, I'd say it's working out well... [thumbsup]
sounds like he might want to keep you on as a consultant for future use ;)
Sounds good Stu, always best not to burn your bridges. [thumbsup]
Quote from: somegirl on June 28, 2010, 07:58:58 AM
Sounds good Stu, always best not to burn your bridges. [thumbsup]
I didn't burn this one, but it did get a lot singed... :P
just be careful how much you do for them.
you have a new job and don't want to be working for free, or suffering at the new place becauise you are trying to be helpful to the new guy at the old palce.
Good point! I'll be sure to keep that in check!
Quote from: somegirl on June 28, 2010, 07:58:58 AM
Sounds good Stu, always best not to burn your bridges. [thumbsup]
+1 to that.
As much as I despise the people I currently "have" to work with, I am careful how I treat them.
I've been with my employer for 6.5yrs, first job out of college.
I think it is now time to start looking and moving on..............so hopefully soon, Stu, I'll have to have that dreaded conversation with my Manager, who hired me and I have worked for him ever since.
It's funny (in my observation...). Some people have maybe 3-4 jobs in their lifetime, and others (like myself) can scarce remember all the jobs they've held. ;D
If you go that route, best of luck Jud.
Quote from: Duck-Stew on June 30, 2010, 04:56:04 AM
If you go that route, best of luck Jud.
I have to go that route. There is no more upward mobility in my current job. It seems it has run its course, which is fine because I have learned a lot over the past six years and have that oh so required "5 years experience" in my job field I want to stay in.
Also, I start my MBA in August, so that makes me maybe a bit more "inviting" then a candidate that is not pursuing or has one. But honestly, I think the MBA is a waste of time, but it is the new bachelors degree, so like everyone else, I drop my 19k and get it.