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Title: clipon spacers - Let's make some shall we Post by: booger on June 29, 2010, 08:25:07 AM I checked Monsterparts and they don't have any in stock. Is there another place to buy these things?
Title: Re: clipon spacers - where? Post by: Bones on June 29, 2010, 10:45:55 AM motostrano allegedly had a pair hanging around that's not showing in inventory. might want to call them.
Title: Re: clipon spacers - where? Post by: stopintime on June 29, 2010, 10:57:42 AM Unavailable?
Perfect - you must buy radial masters [thumbsup] I thought DesmoWorld had them, but I have looked and couldn't find any. Title: Re: clipon spacers - where? Post by: He Man on June 29, 2010, 12:29:43 PM did u try calling monsterparts? they are really good with getting stuff quickly.
Title: Re: clipon spacers - where? Post by: mendoje on June 29, 2010, 01:39:46 PM They're actually made by Corsair Industries, but it looks like they're out of stock too.
http://www.corsair-industries.com/parts/Ducati%20Billet%20Parts/Ducati%20Clip-On%20Spacer/ (http://www.corsair-industries.com/parts/Ducati%20Billet%20Parts/Ducati%20Clip-On%20Spacer/) Title: Re: clipon spacers - where? Post by: Chris,desmoworld on June 29, 2010, 02:03:05 PM hello bergdoerfer
we have this (http://www.desmorados.com/shop/catalog/images/LE.00.00028.jpg) for 22mm or 28mm , black or silver on stock if we can help you out let me know Chris Title: Re: clipon spacers - where? Post by: stopintime on June 29, 2010, 02:12:19 PM Chris, are they on your website? I thought I checked ???
Title: Re: clipon spacers - where? Post by: Chris,desmoworld on June 29, 2010, 02:16:52 PM Chris, are they on your website? I thought I checked ??? no sorry .... we have so much parts not listed ... days are allways to short to do all we have to do [bang] i go home now ... 02:17 am :P Title: Re: clipon spacers - where? Post by: booger on July 08, 2010, 02:49:06 PM After no luck trying to find clipon spacers, I decided to make my own with a CNC machine. These are mockups, out of low density polyethylene plastic. They fit perfectly, and are a perfect 10mm offset. All I need to do now is find some 3/4" aluminum sheet to machine real ones. Trouble is I usually only work with plastics, and a sheet of 3/4" thick aluminum is kind of hard to find. I'll have to order it, and that detracts from the satisfaction of making it myself a little. Would be a lot cooler if I had some aluminum stock lying around. McMaster wants ~$50 for a piece 2.5"x12"x.75". I could get four pairs out of a piece that size, so if anyone needs/wants a set I could do it for $15 a pair plus shipping, which is a good $25 less than Monsterparts sold them for. Would help me offset the cost. Alternatively, if anyone has a scrap piece of 3/4" 6061 lying around that could make a few pairs, I'd be glad to send you some. I just need the spacers and nobody has any :'(
Corsair Industries I assume isn't a functioning vendor anymore since they don't answer emails, and Chris at Desmoworld doesn't answer his PMs. (http://i413.photobucket.com/albums/pp211/doofwop/IMGP1187.jpg) Title: Re: clipon spacers - Let's make some shall we Post by: dutchy73 on July 08, 2010, 03:42:49 PM If you really want to get DIY, you can head over to home depot, grab some PVC pipe and make your own using a small saw and a dremel. That's what I did and it works perfectly ;D
Title: Re: clipon spacers - Let's make some shall we Post by: Veloce-Fino on July 08, 2010, 03:52:59 PM FYI the pieces I got from monsterparts were buffed smooth and powdercoated black to match the controls. high quality pieces, no gaps or spaces.
Title: Re: clipon spacers - Let's make some shall we Post by: booger on July 08, 2010, 04:32:52 PM Well Monsterparts doesn't sell them anymore, and mine fit perfectly too, no gaps or spaces. Not that anyone would bother to look for gaps or spaces anyhow, nor for the smooth buff black ano 'hey look at my smooth black ano spacers!!!' :D
As far as the PVC, um...no. I refuse to kludge my bike up like that. Some would say just buy some GP radials with remote reservoirs but I'm getting some 999 radials which require the spacers as well. Hence my toil. Title: Re: clipon spacers - Let's make some shall we Post by: Veloce-Fino on July 08, 2010, 04:50:03 PM Well Monsterparts doesn't sell them anymore, and mine fit perfectly too, no gaps or spaces. Not that anyone would bother to look for gaps or spaces anyhow, nor for the smooth buff black ano 'hey look at my smooth black ano spacers!!!' :D As far as the PVC, um...no. I refuse to kludge my bike up like that. Some would say just buy some GP radials with remote reservoirs but I'm getting some 999 radials which require the spacers as well. Hence my toil. Sure, I would love radial brake and clutch systems... however I don't have $400-600 to spend right now.. my $40 spacers suit me well. It may not be important to you but I want my control area to look professional and clean. Raw aluminum spacers between the black clips, bar, and controls would look like crap... At least rattle can the ones your making. Title: Re: clipon spacers - Let's make some shall we Post by: Raux on July 08, 2010, 07:32:35 PM Well Monsterparts doesn't sell them anymore, and mine fit perfectly too, no gaps or spaces. Not that anyone would bother to look for gaps or spaces anyhow, nor for the smooth buff black ano 'hey look at my smooth black ano spacers!!!' :D As far as the PVC, um...no. I refuse to kludge my bike up like that. Some would say just buy some GP radials with remote reservoirs but I'm getting some 999 radials which require the spacers as well. Hence my toil. huh 999 radials require spacers? Title: Re: clipon spacers - Let's make some shall we Post by: Javamoose on July 08, 2010, 07:46:46 PM Hey bergdoerfer, where abouts are you? If your in the States, check and see if you have a Metal Supermarket (http://www.metalsupermarkets.com/) near you. They aren't the cheapest, but, you can get as little or as much as you want.
As an alternate, I use a lot of 80/20 Aluminum Extrusion - I buy it all from their eBay store (http://stores.ebay.com/8020-Inc-Garage-Sale_Flat-Stock_W0QQ_fsubZ6479548QQ_sidZ129537225QQ_trksidZp4634Q2ec0Q2em322) and they happen to have a TON of Al flat stock on their for pretty darn good prices (it's all off cuts for them). Feel like I'm giving away a resource there...but, you should be able to find a big hunk to make your parts for less than $20. Like this piece (http://cgi.ebay.com/8020-Inc-Aluminum-Flat-Stock-Mill-Finish-8371-x-12-06-/330447911153?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cf03af8f1#ht_1002wt_911) of .75" thick x 12" L x 4" W for $10... Title: Re: clipon spacers - where? Post by: mendoje on July 08, 2010, 07:59:07 PM I see nothing wrong with staying with plastic. The part is under compression, it isnt going anywhere clamped up the way it is. Why not just use black delrin?
...These are mockups, out of low density polyethylene plastic. They fit perfectly, and are a perfect 10mm offset. All I need to do now is find some 3/4" aluminum sheet to machine real ones... Edit: :o Never Mind! Just checked McMaster Carr, 3/4 delrin sheet 6x6 is $88 ! However, there are lot's of delrin cutoffs on eBay for way less. Title: Re: clipon spacers - Let's make some shall we Post by: booger on July 09, 2010, 01:46:56 AM huh 999 radials require spacers? yup if you're not using them on a 999, they use coffin reservoirs you see. Those coffin reservoirs interfere with stuff. Title: Re: clipon spacers - Let's make some shall we Post by: booger on July 09, 2010, 03:40:04 AM Hey bergdoerfer, where abouts are you? If your in the States, check and see if you have a Metal Supermarket (http://www.metalsupermarkets.com/) near you. They aren't the cheapest, but, you can get as little or as much as you want. As an alternate, I use a lot of 80/20 Aluminum Extrusion - I buy it all from their eBay store (http://stores.ebay.com/8020-Inc-Garage-Sale_Flat-Stock_W0QQ_fsubZ6479548QQ_sidZ129537225QQ_trksidZp4634Q2ec0Q2em322) and they happen to have a TON of Al flat stock on their for pretty darn good prices (it's all off cuts for them). Feel like I'm giving away a resource there...but, you should be able to find a big hunk to make your parts for less than $20. Like this piece (http://cgi.ebay.com/8020-Inc-Aluminum-Flat-Stock-Mill-Finish-8371-x-12-06-/330447911153?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cf03af8f1#ht_1002wt_911) of .75" thick x 12" L x 4" W for $10... Now that's what I'm talking about. Thanks. I may use MR10 polycarbonate which is the stuff F16 cockpit covers are made from. It's hard yet not brittle and non-compressible. Whatever I use it has to be something that doesn't compress. I need a solid clampdown. So its looking like either the polycarbonate or some aluminum. Trouble is I only have 1/2" MR10 and very little of it. It's extremely expensive. I'll see if my supplier has any cutoffs of 3/4". Title: Re: clipon spacers - Let's make some shall we Post by: Raux on July 09, 2010, 05:40:07 AM yup if you're not using them on a 999, they use coffin reservoirs you see. Those coffin reservoirs interfere with stuff. they're not coffins. they are pee cups mounted directly on the master cylinders. Title: Re: clipon spacers - Let's make some shall we Post by: booger on July 09, 2010, 05:59:00 AM they're not coffins. they are pee cups mounted directly on the master cylinders. ??? whatever you say 8) I'll call 'em coffins, you can call them whatever. They are not considered remote reservoirs, and it doesn't change the fact that they need spacers. ;D Title: Re: clipon spacers - Let's make some shall we Post by: Raux on July 09, 2010, 06:06:57 AM so you are telling me the 999 comes with handlebars and not clipons?
Title: Re: clipon spacers - Let's make some shall we Post by: booger on July 09, 2010, 06:51:43 AM LOL you've lost me. I don't think I ever said or implied that the 999 superbikes had handlebars. In case you need to update your data read this thread http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=39952.0, (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=39952.0,) incidentally a thread you posted in. One needs spacers if one wants 999 masters, whether one wants to install them on clipons or handlebars(in my case SM handlebars - the manufacturer states you need clipon spacers). In what way are your posts contributing to my thread? Remind me. Your dazzling Ducati knowledge is truly awe inspiring - now STFU. ;D [evil] [roll]
Title: Re: clipon spacers - Let's make some shall we Post by: adamld83 on July 09, 2010, 07:18:10 AM Ouch man. I'll contribute to your thread, and by contribute I mean hijack. You have an s2r right? I am picking up a pair of SM bars too. From what I understand you will not need spacers. Is yours a dark? Is that why you need them? Due the bar diameter change? Thanks.
Title: Re: clipon spacers - Let's make some shall we Post by: DarkStaR on July 09, 2010, 07:39:17 AM huh 999 radials require spacers? Yes, they require spacers to fit with "some clip-ons" commonly used on monsters. (e.g. CC, SM, Swatt, tomaselli, ect.) If you look closely, you can see them on my Brake & Clutch Masters. (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/hundredpercentkill/dmf/DSC05798.jpg) Title: Re: clipon spacers - Let's make some shall we Post by: booger on July 09, 2010, 08:13:10 AM Ouch man. I'll contribute to your thread, and by contribute I mean hijack. You have an s2r right? I am picking up a pair of SM bars too. From what I understand you will not need spacers. Is yours a dark? Is that why you need them? Due the bar diameter change? Thanks. I'm using an SM M4 handlebar meant for the M1100, with a stock S2R800 triple bored out to 53mm. This triple uses the tapered Magura bar diameter. I'm using this bar in the hopes it will clear the adjusters on the 998 forks I'm using. SM states that this bar is not compatible with coffin masters. From the photos I can't understand why, but I'm assuming it's the same reason coffins won't mount up to clipons. Title: Re: clipon spacers - Let's make some shall we Post by: Raux on July 09, 2010, 08:15:06 AM LOL you've lost me. I don't think I ever said or implied that the 999 superbikes had handlebars. In case you need to update your data read this thread http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=39952.0, (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=39952.0,) incidentally a thread you posted in. One needs spacers if one wants 999 masters, whether one wants to install them on clipons or handlebars(in my case SM handlebars - the manufacturer states you need clipon spacers). In what way are your posts contributing to my thread? Remind me. Your dazzling Ducati knowledge is truly awe inspiring - now STFU. ;D [evil] [roll] right. my bad. [laugh] Title: Re: clipon spacers - Let's make some shall we Post by: stopintime on July 09, 2010, 08:19:12 AM I'm using an SM M4 handlebar meant for the M1100, with a stock S2R800 triple bored out to 53mm. This triple uses the tapered Magura bar diameter. I'm using this bar in the hopes it will clear the adjusters on the 998 forks I'm using. SM states that this bar is not compatible with coffin masters. From the photos I can't understand why, but I'm assuming it's the same reason coffins won't mount up to clipons. Hmm... isn't coffins/"coffins" hitting the riser part of clip ons the issue? If so, SM bars shouldn't require spacers? SM's statement connected to fairing clearance issues? Title: Re: clipon spacers - Let's make some shall we Post by: Raux on July 09, 2010, 08:48:28 AM right. my bad. [laugh] hmmm well I thought about letting it go, but make the beast with two backs that. here is the photo of the SM M4 bar you quote you are using. (http://www.suburban-machinery.com/pict1962.jpg) now, i've held the 999 masters in my hands, even tried them on my Woodcraft clipons WHICH by the way didn't need make the beast with two backsin spacers to use them. can't see a reason to need the spacers on the M4 bars either. maybe along with your infinite make the beast with two backsing knowledge you could post a picture of the problem and we (the people who SHOULD STFU) could help you. Title: Re: clipon spacers - Let's make some shall we Post by: booger on July 09, 2010, 08:58:18 AM OK I owe Raux a sincere apology, my inner asshole came out. Knee jerk reaction. Too much coffee. I apologize for being a douchebag, I usually have more class than that. :-[
With that said, I'm having to sort through a complicated situation. I'm doing an SBK front fork swap on my S2R800 which was a Dark, but is now a black-with-white-stripe. I got my hands on an S2R top triple from a 1k. So 998 forks w/ adjusters poking up an extra 23mm and SM bars - I'm hoping the two aren't mutually exclusive. To complicate things more, I'm ruminating on 999 masters. To avoid having to burn more cash I'm rocking the stock coffin masters & 2 pot brake calipers for the time being. So the spacers I will need whether I do the 999s or not. I just don't really like the look of remote reservoirs, even though they would make my life much easier. There will be some trial and error here, shipping charges eaten, etc. Title: Re: clipon spacers - Let's make some shall we Post by: Raux on July 09, 2010, 09:10:19 AM just trying to help, honest.
but looking at that photo. it's your riser that going to be the issue. if it doesnt bring the bar high enough you'll get the bar hitting the top of the forks. and also, i really don't think there's a problem with the stock masters you have. the bar is 7/8" at the controls and is flat on the outside where the coffins reside. obviously, once you get all the parts you might experience different, as I have learned, not everything works the way it's planned. Title: Re: clipon spacers - Let's make some shall we Post by: stopintime on July 09, 2010, 09:16:10 AM Fresh measurements:
height from outer fork-pinching part of S2R top triple to where the risers mount..... 20mm height of stock risers..... 30mm Leaves about 50mm of room for the 998 fork tubes/adjusters. (if you don't tilt the SM bars forward) Title: Re: clipon spacers - Let's make some shall we Post by: Raux on July 09, 2010, 09:26:34 AM is that 23mm difference at the adjusters of the 998 forks all the difference between the stock forks?
are they longer/same length than stock everywhere else? Title: Re: clipon spacers - Let's make some shall we Post by: Javamoose on July 09, 2010, 09:34:14 AM Now that's what I'm talking about. Thanks. I may use MR10 polycarbonate which is the stuff F16 cockpit covers are made from. It's hard yet not brittle and non-compressible. Whatever I use it has to be something that doesn't compress. I need a solid clampdown. So its looking like either the polycarbonate or some aluminum. Trouble is I only have 1/2" MR10 and very little of it. It's extremely expensive. I'll see if my supplier has any cutoffs of 3/4". Given the cost, I would order that hunk of 6061 I linked to and forget the MR10. MR10 grade polycarb is actually Mar Resistant, and it WILL compress over time. Especially when it get's hot (it'll expand) and cools - which means you will have to tighten the screws to keep it from being loose and when it expands it could warp/crack. Though polycarb is shatter resistant, it can still crack. Go with the Al. [moto] Title: Re: clipon spacers - Let's make some shall we Post by: TAftonomos on July 09, 2010, 09:41:03 AM My custom bars didn't require any kind of spacers....just a different material all together (4130). Should be done soon w/999 masters.
So there. ;D Title: Re: clipon spacers - Let's make some shall we Post by: booger on July 09, 2010, 09:44:26 AM just trying to help, honest. but looking at that photo. it's your riser that going to be the issue. if it doesnt bring the bar high enough you'll get the bar hitting the top of the forks. and also, i really don't think there's a problem with the stock masters you have. the bar is 7/8" at the controls and is flat on the outside where the coffins reside. obviously, once you get all the parts you might experience different, as I have learned, not everything works the way it's planned. yea, and I'm grateful. The normal S2R risers seem to have a bit more rise to them than the Darks. I'm hoping it will be enough. If not I will have no other choice but to go to clipons. I have no particular aversion to clipons, it's just I'm concerned that they may be too forward for me as I will likely go with Woodcrafts, and they use forward mounts. Tall Boys would be cool, but they don't come in 53mm and some have had issues with them hitting the tank. Besides something about the SM bar appeals to me. The 998 forks are slightly longer than Monster forks, so to retain the correct geometry without having to jack up the tail I'll have some protrusion to deal with. In any event, I'm glad I can fab some spacers in case I don't need them(saves me some $$$) Title: Re: clipon spacers - Let's make some shall we Post by: Cider on July 09, 2010, 09:47:53 AM Sounds like you have the spacers all worked out, but I didn't need them with my SM bars. I don't have the longer forks, though.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2151/2472850864_2184df1d88_o.jpg) Title: Re: clipon spacers - Let's make some shall we Post by: Ducatl on July 09, 2010, 06:45:09 PM You could also machine your own reservoirs and integrate them into whatever masters you wanted, assuming you have the capability.
Alternatively custom risers would also be relatively simple to make. Title: Re: clipon spacers - where? Post by: Monstermash on July 10, 2010, 04:42:59 AM After no luck trying to find clipon spacers, I decided to make my own with a CNC machine. These are mockups, out of low density polyethylene plastic. They fit perfectly, and are a perfect 10mm offset. All I need to do now is find some 3/4" aluminum sheet to machine real ones. Trouble is I usually only work with plastics, and a sheet of 3/4" thick aluminum is kind of hard to find. I'll have to order it, and that detracts from the satisfaction of making it myself a little. Would be a lot cooler if I had some aluminum stock lying around. McMaster wants ~$50 for a piece 2.5"x12"x.75". I could get four pairs out of a piece that size, so if anyone needs/wants a set I could do it for $15 a pair plus shipping, which is a good $25 less than Monsterparts sold them for. Would help me offset the cost. Alternatively, if anyone has a scrap piece of 3/4" 6061 lying around that could make a few pairs, I'd be glad to send you some. I just need the spacers and nobody has any :'( Corsair Industries I assume isn't a functioning vendor anymore since they don't answer emails, and Chris at Desmoworld doesn't answer his PMs. (http://i413.photobucket.com/albums/pp211/doofwop/IMGP1187.jpg) If I were you I would just use the one's you made out of the poly plastic until the others become available. I'm sure they will be durable enough and considering where they are mounted they won't stick out too bad. Title: Re: clipon spacers - Let's make some shall we Post by: DarkStaR on July 21, 2010, 10:25:37 PM I could build some of those would there be much interest form other people? The more I can build the lower the price will be. http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=38687.msg729541#msg729541 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=38687.msg729541#msg729541)Alright guys, who's in? I'm tired of waiting. Title: Re: clipon spacers - Let's make some shall we Post by: dutchy73 on July 22, 2010, 01:33:46 AM I'm in.
Title: Re: clipon spacers - Let's make some shall we Post by: DucLeone on July 22, 2010, 02:25:19 PM PM sent
Title: Re: clipon spacers - Let's make some shall we Post by: DucLeone on August 01, 2010, 04:52:58 PM >> bergdoerfer,did you get my pm about the spacers?
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