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Title: Tire changing - what tools
Post by: seevtsaab on July 01, 2010, 05:23:20 PM
I'm looking to change my own tires.
It costs me $40 for a mount (tire and wheel I bring in).
My rear is fading fast.

I've found a couple old threads
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=13757.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=13757.0)
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=8395.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=8395.0)
and I'm inclined to go with the HF clunker.
http://www.harborfreight.com/automotive-motorcycle/wheel-tire/portable-tire-changer-34542.html (http://www.harborfreight.com/automotive-motorcycle/wheel-tire/portable-tire-changer-34542.html)
and
http://www.harborfreight.com/review/product/list/id/1189/category/812/#customer-reviews (http://www.harborfreight.com/review/product/list/id/1189/category/812/#customer-reviews)

I change probably 2 tires a year so I can't justify going big.
Stock Brembo's, no museum piece my Monster but I'd prefer to show some kindness.

What extra dodads do I need to make success a sure thing? Spoons - check, tire lube -  check etc etc?
Title: Re: Tire changing - what tools
Post by: Ddan on July 02, 2010, 01:12:17 AM
I've got the HF piece o' crap and it works fine.  Don't bother with the MC attachment, it's useless.  You'll need something to protect the rim from the clamps as well as the tire irons, and a c-clamp or two will be pretty helpful.  Lube.  Lube.  More lube.  PM Sac, he may have a specialty recipe he uses.   ;D
Title: Re: Tire changing - what tools
Post by: silversled on July 02, 2010, 01:29:51 AM
NoMar Tire Changers are the best home setup I've found.

http://www.nomartirechanger.com/ (http://www.nomartirechanger.com/)
Title: Re: Tire changing - what tools
Post by: seevtsaab on July 02, 2010, 01:54:18 AM
Quote from: Dan on July 02, 2010, 01:12:17 AM
I've got the HF piece o' crap and it works fine.  Don't bother with the MC attachment, it's useless.  You'll need something to protect the rim from the clamps as well as the tire irons, and a c-clamp or two will be pretty helpful.  Lube.  Lube.  More lube.  PM Sac, he may have a specialty recipe he uses.   ;D

Excellent excellent. Interested in the lube - I'd pay for what works. Good info on the MC changer, heard the same from others.


Quote from: silversled on July 02, 2010, 01:29:51 AM
NoMar Tire Changers are the best home setup I've found.

http://www.nomartirechanger.com/ (http://www.nomartirechanger.com/)


I believe in the good stuff but at barely 10Kmi a year, a 5X - 10X cost premium is hard to justify.
(lets see $600 divided by ($40 times 2) is how many years ...)
Is the classic setup absolutely complete? No, don't tell me. I still has to buy a tire!

Title: Re: Tire changing - what tools
Post by: battlecry on July 02, 2010, 02:56:09 AM
I use a lot of Windex.  (From the dirtbike years)
Title: Re: Tire changing - what tools
Post by: mitt on July 02, 2010, 08:27:34 AM
Quote from: Dan on July 02, 2010, 01:12:17 AM
I've got the HF piece o' crap and it works fine.  Don't bother with the MC attachment, it's useless.  You'll need something to protect the rim from the clamps as well as the tire irons, and a c-clamp or two will be pretty helpful.  Lube.  Lube.  More lube.  PM Sac, he may have a specialty recipe he uses.   ;D

I have the HF thing as wheel.  It is OK - especially for breaking beads.  When it comes to taking the tire off the rim and putting a new one on, it might be just as easy to put some cardboard on the ground and wrestle the rim.  I found that some big clamps can really help get the new tire on .  I haven't used a C clamp, that seems like more force than you need - I use 1 or 2 big bar clamps like this (http://www.northerntool.com/images/product/images/2521450_lg.jpg)


+1 on the lube.  Also some tire irons.

mitt
Title: Re: Tire changing - what tools
Post by: He Man on July 02, 2010, 09:12:16 AM
i have the motion pro tire irons, some tropicana orange juice plastic jugs cut into spacers to prevetn scratches (they work really well) and i welded together a frame to break the bead.

The bead is the only hard part. It takes less than 10 minutes to remove the wheel and put a new one on when you get the hang of using tire irons. no need for nomar unless your anal about your wheels (or you have some sort of exoitc wheel) or you like do it the professional way.
Title: Re: Tire changing - what tools
Post by: 2 Wheel Wanderer on July 02, 2010, 03:57:51 PM
This is what I use, I was going through 6 sets a year the past few years. The only difference is I use 16" tire irons. It makes the job 1000 times easier. You just have to be careful not to rip the bead while putting tires on.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7546109776315225781# (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7546109776315225781#)

I bought a $40 balancer on eBay.
Title: Re: Tire changing - what tools
Post by: He Man on July 02, 2010, 04:03:03 PM
if your going to use wood, make sure your tire is warmed up the rubber will be more flexible. aka anything below 60 degrees is kinda stiff.
Title: Re: Tire changing - what tools
Post by: seevtsaab on July 03, 2010, 01:12:44 AM
Excellent info, guys thanks.

So I'm thinking the HF piece to break the bead, some irons, rim protectors, lube.

I can't envision what the HF motorcycle tire attachment is for, sounds like I have no need for that?

Both the motion pro and Cycle Hill sites have the doodads.

How often do you change your valves?

I notice the rear doesn't have the 90° valve stem, anyone change the straight one for that?
i imagine the reason is the smaller disk in the rear compared to front, nevertheless.

btw I ordered a Pilot 2CT from Derby Cycles, $108 shipped.
Title: Re: Tire changing - what tools
Post by: mookieo2 on July 03, 2010, 06:53:01 AM
I have the HF setup. And the NoMar bar. Total cost is $200 for the set up. The no mar bar also comes with spray lube for removal and lube for installation ( which just looks like Palmade to me))

It works pretty good. I`ve changed a few sets of tires already with it. You also need to get a few 3/4 in blocks of wood about 1.5" x 3" to wedge under the rim to keep the bead in the middle while installing.

Only use the HF bar for the bead breaker. You also have to put something over the clamps on the MC tire adapter to stop from scratching the rim. I just use a few layers of Gaffer tape.
Title: Re: Tire changing - what tools
Post by: Ddan on July 03, 2010, 07:32:38 AM
Quote from: Dan on July 02, 2010, 01:12:17 AM
I've got the HF piece o' crap and it works fine.  Don't bother with the MC attachment, it's useless.  You'll need something to protect the rim from the clamps as well as the tire irons, and a c-clamp or two will be pretty helpful.  Lube.  Lube.  More lube.  PM Sac, he may have a specialty recipe he uses.   ;D

Oops, my bad.  The MC tire changer has the clamp mechanism for the wheel, you do want that.  It's the arch over the top that's useless.